Peyton Manning punt protection and H-Back

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

Funny how I use the same argument for Peyton and it gets brushed off. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who gave up a 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left. But hey, who's counting....

Nope but he did throw the interception to lead to the game-winning FG

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by REM08

Logic can sometimes fall by the wayside when debating Tebow around here. I get it because I see how easy it is to be a fan of the guy.

I'd love to see the ring count if Manning had landed on the Pats and Brady on the Colts. I'm not saying there's no chance Brady does better. I just don't think it ends up where its at now. Manning's team relied on him more than any other team relied on their QB. The Pats made the playoffs (I have this right, don't I?) with Matt Cassel. So many of you are comparing apples to oranges in the hopes of bolstering the side you're 100% emotionally invested in. Best example is the one-and-dones. Think those Colts teams are going further with another QB? Who? Think they're making the playoffs every year? I'm not saying Manning is the best ever, but the lack of objectivity shown by many here about his ability and his career is startling.

Also, I agree with the point made about Manning advancing in the playoffs just as far as Tebow did. Don't think thats a technicality.

Sometimes logic cant be comprehended by some. You're playing a lot of what-if games and yet the argument we are making actually took place.

[REM08]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

Manning played his career with James, Harrison, and Wayne. On defense the Colts had Freeney and Sanders. I've watched him lose several games where his team was a heavy favorite in the playoffs (see this week).

Never said he played on bad teams, just that they weren't indicative of their record and were not the caliber of team that Brady has played with most years.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by REM08

Never said he played on bad teams, just that they weren't indicative of their record and were not the caliber of team that Brady has played with most years.

How is that so? Brady won three Super Bowls with a group of skill position players who will never sniff Canton.

[nawlinsgator]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

Funny, you seem to enjoy Peyton losing almost as much as I enjoy Timmy Tebone getting splinters in his butt.

I have no opinion in this debate. Just wanted to point out you lost 8 in a row against us, and counting.
Bet you wish you had Manning back. Oh wait, he lost all four against us, sorry.

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by nawlinsgator

I have no opinion in this debate. Just wanted to point out you lost 8 in a row against us, and counting.
Bet you wish you had Manning back. Oh wait, he lost all four against us, sorry.

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

Really is not a UF/UT thing with me. Pointing out that Manning was 0-4 (0-3 really...can't pin the 94 game on him) is just part of his résumé where he comes up short in big games. Especially 1997, an epic choke job.

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

Really is not a UF/UT thing with me. Pointing out that Manning was 0-4 (0-3 really...can't pin the 94 game on him) is just part of his résumé where he comes up short in big games. Especially 1997, an epic choke job.

I understand that it IS his history, etc... But when we are having a discussion about NFL QB's it has no relevance. The only time it is brought up is when I make a point and the responder either A) Thinks I am taking a shot. B) Does not have a solid rebuttal and thinks that bringing up the ancient past will hurt my little Vol feelings.

[malligator]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

I understand that it IS his history, etc... But when we are having a discussion about NFL QB's it has no relevance. The only time it is brought up is when I make a point and the responder either A) Thinks I am taking a shot. B) Does not have a solid rebuttal and thinks that bringing up the ancient past will hurt my little Vol feelings.

When NFL fans discuss Peyton it has no relevance. Saying it has no relevance on a Florida Gator fan forum is silly. It's like saying you don't care he's a Vol because he's in the NFL now. You only consider it the ancient past because your team was on the losing end.

Peyton's college legacy mattered enough to him to come back his senior season. He still didn't get it done.

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by malligator

When NFL fans discuss Peyton it has no relevance. Saying it has no relevance on a Florida Gator fan forum is silly. It's like saying you don't care he's a Vol because he's in the NFL now. You only consider it the ancient past because your team was on the losing end.

Peyton's college legacy mattered enough to him to come back his senior season. He still didn't get it done.

Here we go again. When I mention 98, 04, etc... on this board its ancient history because it suits your agenda. Just because this is a Gator board doesn't mean you can't have an intelligent conversation with a rival poster. Ask around, I am not here to troll. I am here to talk about football.

And last I looked, there is far more that get discussed on this forum than just UF football.

[nawlinsgator]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

Coming off of your Tebow comment, I think it absolutely has relevance. You take a crack at one of our old QB's we take a crack at yours.
BTW, did I mention 8 in a row?

[LimeyGator]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

To be fair, if my Daddy went to UF and yours went to Tennessee, he probably does earn more than yours...

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by nawlinsgator

Coming off of your Tebow comment, I think it absolutely has relevance. You take a crack at one of our old QB's we take a crack at yours.
BTW, did I mention 8 in a row?

Hardy har har. I was responding to another poster.

[JohnC1908]

VolsFan is one of the best rival posters on the board IMO. I think we can debate without resulting to sophomoric trash talk.

[Socom1]

The relevence of UF beating UT fours years in a row is that Tee Martin came in the next year as The UT QB and won a National Title. He was an average at best thrower and a good runner. How is that for why UT and Manning going 0-4 is relevent.

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by Socom1

The relevence of UF beating UT fours years in a row is that Tee Martin came in the next year as The UT QB and won a National Title. He was an average at best thrower and a good runner. How is that for why UT and Manning going 0-4 is relevent.

Ok. I get your point, kinda. But how does that translate to the debate of success between Tebow/Manning? Are you trying to make the point that because Tim is a more mobile QB that he is better in the NFL? Like I said, I understand the relevance of the UT/UF and Manning/Martin thing, but could you be more specific about what you mean about the translation to the NFL?

[Socom1]

Just that Manning is not the end all to everything, it is the pieces around him and how they put them together. A non-mobile Manning could not get the job done at UT, not NC level, Tee Martin could. What does UT celebrate more, PM years of average seasons or the NC that TM brought them (What banner hangs). If situated the right way TT can get things done in NFL. I think the supporting cast and scheme make the QB. The San Francisco QB is certainly not a great passer but sure destroyed the team he played. In Indy PM sure had some good receivers. PM has been a solid QB but if you look at the top 5 QBs with playoff wins he does not rank. This with the fact that he played many times. He did not get it done at UT and he did not get it done at Indy and now he has not got it done at Denver.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

VolsFan is one of the best rival posters on the board IMO. I think we can debate without resulting to sophomoric trash talk.

Yeah we probably could but where would the fun be

[4everaGator]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

Yeah we probably could but where would the fun be

^^^^
This, it's just hilarious to poke fun at Peyton! Loved the "Playoffs....RE-ROUTE!" comment - HOF material.

You gotta laugh sometimes. I loved the JIMMMIE FALLON/TEBOWIE videos, even though they weren't terribly flattering about Timmy - still funny stuff!

[wygator]

Everyone seems to overlook Peyton's pick 6 early in the games in addition to the key int in overtime. And the Bronco's wouldn't have even been in the game without 2 special teams TD's.

While individual players rarely carry the complete blame, Peyton did not provide the leadership and clutch play that you expect from a future HOF QB in a home playoff game.