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This crap must be blowing up on the internetz. I have not visited a political forum/website in months and this is what I find everywhere today. In any case, I skimmed over these videos and reports and found most of it to be kind of thin and at best dubious. However, there was one video that is kind of interesting. Not sure wtf is going on, but this guy really makes some great points, especially with respect to the first responders.
even if I agree with what you are saying....did you watch the video?
If you agree with what I'm saying, then there shouldn't be much for you to keep arguing about. It's possible that the father was caught off-camera in a lighthearted moment by someone trying to cheer him up (which is entirely normal to have people cracking jokes in an attempt to get someone in extreme grief to find something to smile about). He realizes he's about to go on camera and figures (rightly) that he probably should be a bit more solemn for the occasion and re-focuses.
Was it a bit odd seeing the entire process caught on camera? Of course...never denied it wasn't strange behavior.
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what about the photograph evidence. girl is supposed to be dead and they show a family photo with the girl in it and it was obviously a photoshopped image taken from a photo with Barrack Obama 3 days after the girl was killed.
and the father in the photo going from laughing to a somber speech after taking a few "stage breaths"
...so...the girl's not really dead?
Did you read the article I posted earlier in the thread? Where the head of the Connecticut Mortician's Association discusses the volunteer work they were doing for the community and how extra morticians from around the state came to Newton because there's only one funeral home in that town and there were too many bodies for that one funeral home to handle?
IF you're claiming that the father was a paid actor and the girl really isn't dead, then you have the Newton cops, the Connecticut State Police (and presumably some feds too), several people from the Connecticut Mortician's Association, the media, and several dozen townspeople in Newton who ALL must be in on the conspiracy on some level. Keeping quiet and not exposing the dad for a fraud.
...OR is it more likely than ONE parent got caught in an odd moment when he thought he was off-camera and changed his reaction (whether genuine or somewhat acted out) to reflect the more somber occasion?
...as a corollary: did you see that picture making the facebook/twitter waves about some Marine in San Diego who dressed up in his cammies and voluntarily stood guard outside an elementary school after the shootings?
--turns out, most of his story was made up: he wasn't a Sergeant in the Marine Reserves, was never deployed overseas, and certainly didn't serve for 10 years. It took him all of a day to get busted and for the media to retract their earlier reports. People live for busting frauds and fakers--and yet, we're supposed to believe that hundreds of people are keeping silent about this dad faking a story about his daughter's death?
If you agree with what I'm saying, then there shouldn't be much for you to keep arguing about. It's possible that the father was caught off-camera in a lighthearted moment by someone trying to cheer him up (which is entirely normal to have people cracking jokes in an attempt to get someone in extreme grief to find something to smile about). He realizes he's about to go on camera and figures (rightly) that he probably should be a bit more solemn for the occasion and re-focuses.
Was it a bit odd seeing the entire process caught on camera? Of course...never denied it wasn't strange behavior.
...so...the girl's not really dead?
Did you read the article I posted earlier in the thread? Where the head of the Connecticut Mortician's Association discusses the volunteer work they were doing for the community and how extra morticians from around the state came to Newton because there's only one funeral home in that town and there were too many bodies for that one funeral home to handle?
IF you're claiming that the father was a paid actor and the girl really isn't dead, then you have the Newton cops, the Connecticut State Police (and presumably some feds too), several people from the Connecticut Mortician's Association, the media, and several dozen townspeople in Newton who ALL must be in on the conspiracy on some level. Keeping quiet and not exposing the dad for a fraud.
...OR is it more likely than ONE parent got caught in an odd moment when he thought he was off-camera and changed his reaction (whether genuine or somewhat acted out) to reflect the more somber occasion?
...as a corollary: did you see that picture making the facebook/twitter waves about some Marine in San Diego who dressed up in his cammies and voluntarily stood guard outside an elementary school after the shootings?
--turns out, most of his story was made up: he wasn't a Sergeant in the Marine Reserves, was never deployed overseas, and certainly didn't serve for 10 years. It took him all of a day to get busted and for the media to retract their earlier reports. People live for busting frauds and fakers--and yet, we're supposed to believe that hundreds of people are keeping silent about this dad faking a story about his daughter's death?
First, we have a controlled media in America. The "freedom of the press" stuff is a myth in this day and age. The media is 100% biased and 100% liberal. They want gun control. Why would they ask questions about the shooting since this clearly furthers their political agenda? So, yes, they are in on it simply because it furthers their agenda.
I think the guy is probably her dad but his daughter isn't dead. Heck, we don't even know if she was in the class. She is not IN ANY of the class pictures. It's obviously difficult for him to portray a grieving father, or ahem, as you can see from his laughing at the beginning, knowing his daughter isn't actually dead. He is a horrible actor. Horrible.
The reaction from this "father" and the people don't appear to be that of a town in crisis mode. From the laughing, to the fake emotions/attempts to cry (and they couldn't), to the fact that they ALL are HUGE gun control advocates, tells me this is a hoax to further a political agenda.
This crap must be blowing up on the internetz. I have not visited a political forum/website in months and this is what I find everywhere today. In any case, I skimmed over these videos and reports and found most of it to be kind of thin and at best dubious. However, there was one video that is kind of interesting. Not sure wtf is going on, but this guy really makes some great points, especially with respect to the first responders.
Only watched about 6 minutes to see what you're talking about and if there's anything substantial there--but if that's the best CTs can do, then it's really saying how dubious their entire claims are.
For starters, it isn't exactly uncommon for police to cordon off a crime scene from the public for a brief amount of time to secure the perimeter and/or to collect evidence. In fact, that's standard procedure for emergency responders.
Second, there's absolutely NO context given to any of the media clippings--just edited snippets of larger clips that doesn't show what time of day it was. In the aerial footage from the helicopters flying over the scene, look at the ground: there were long shadows and the colors weren't as crisp--which means one of 2 things: the sun was either going down or coming up. Given that the shooting happened at around 9:30am and it'd take over an hour or so for the national news crews to get to the town and setup, I'm going to lean towards the fact that the (edited) footage this guy was using involved news helicopters flying over the scene hours after the shooting happened.
First, we have a controlled media in America. The "freedom of the press" stuff is a myth in this day and age. The media is 100% biased and 100% liberal. They want gun control. Why would they ask questions about the shooting since this clearly furthers their political agenda? So, yes, they are in on it simply because it furthers their agenda.
I think the guy is probably her dad but his daughter isn't dead. Heck, we don't even know if she was in the class. She is not IN ANY of the class pictures. It's obviously difficult for him to portray a grieving father, or ahem, as you can see from his laughing at the beginning, knowing his daughter isn't actually dead. He is a horrible actor. Horrible.
The reaction from this "father" and the people don't appear to be that of a town in crisis mode. From the laughing, to the fake emotions/attempts to cry (and they couldn't), to the fact that they ALL are HUGE gun control advocates, tells me this is a hoax to further a political agenda.
Always good to know what the Iranian perspective is, thanks "AmericaFirst."
While you're at it, please ask your Iranian friends/masters to answer some of the outstanding questions you've completely ignored in this thread:
namely--even IF the media is biased and liberal, how to explain the funerals? Dozens of ordinary people from a random small town in America just willing to go along with a massive lie?
Add up all the "actors" needed to pull something like this off (the victims and their families, the media, the Newton police, Newton school district administrators and teachers, Connecticut State Police, Connecticut Morticians, etc)--and that's well over 200-300 people who need to stay absolutely and completely silent about what they know.
I've honestly seen cartoons about squirrel detectives that are more believable.
First, we have a controlled media in America. The "freedom of the press" stuff is a myth in this day and age. The media is 100% biased and 100% liberal.
Saying things like this makes it hard to take you seriously on anything else.
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This crap must be blowing up on the internetz. I have not visited a political forum/website in months and this is what I find everywhere today. In any case, I skimmed over these videos and reports and found most of it to be kind of thin and at best dubious. However, there was one video that is kind of interesting. Not sure wtf is going on, but this guy really makes some great points, especially with respect to the first responders.
Holy S. I'd love to hear exactly which parts of that you were impressed by. This guy might be trying to derail the conspiracy, in fact, because this comes off as near satire.
You mention first responder stuff. He can't figure out why vehicles aren't parked on the crime scene (and they may bell have been earlier.) He thinks that caution tape blocks passage like a landslide (when in fact if you pay attention to ambulances at events like ball games they often are surrounded by cauution tape so they CAN get out. At a HS football game last fall an EMT asked me to hold the tape and them wrap it back around a cone after they moved the ambulance, which I did.) He goes on and on about this ambulance not moving although establishes no timeline to prove that and even if he could--so?
His unquestionable IDs are anything but. The dress has been discussed here. Even if that was Victotia Soto singing (and this is by far his best effort), so? In his mind that establishes her as an actor, and by extension an actor in this sordid affair. In my mind it establishes her as a crappy singer and it's not surprising that she ended up in a different line of work.
He even starts by showing us this super professional (non-governmental, apparently) crisis acting company, then pins all of his evidence on decidedly poor, non-professional acting. He doesn't even know his own point.
I pray I'm never in a lineup and he's the witness. No telling who he'll say I am, "sithout a doubt." One of his definitive proofs was that two women in different photos bend their arms the same! Say it out loud, but not where anyone can hear you.
The kid here is probably well-meaning. But his presentation sucks and his evidence is worse. Perhaps at one point he suffered from "catonia", which is how he diagnosed the obvious "disorder" that causes kids to put their fingers in their mouths.
If someone presented a video just like this one accusing the creator of this one of a crime, I wonder if he'd despair, guilty or not, because it's just so convincing!?
Always good to know what the Iranian perspective is, thanks "AmericaFirst."
While you're at it, please ask your Iranian friends/masters to answer some of the outstanding questions you've completely ignored in this thread:
namely--even IF the media is biased and liberal, how to explain the funerals? Dozens of ordinary people from a random small town in America just willing to go along with a massive lie?
Add up all the "actors" needed to pull something like this off (the victims and their families, the media, the Newton police, Newton school district administrators and teachers, Connecticut State Police, Connecticut Morticians, etc)--and that's well over 200-300 people who need to stay absolutely and completely silent about what they know.
I've honestly seen cartoons about squirrel detectives that are more believable.
Always good to get the Zionist view on things from you. Yes, this is a hoax and the fact that you don't believe our government is capable of pulling this off tells me a lot about your mindset. Newsflash, in Operation Northwoods they intended to have the CIA pose as Cuban terrorists and hijack planes (sound familiar?), bomb our own military bases, take hostages, shall I continue? How would they pull that off? Same thing here. Because they can.
Any false flag operation takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people to go along with it. It's not an easy task to accomplish. That's how you explain it.
I figured you'd be the first one to defend the government in this case since your Israelis have perfected the false-flag operation over the years. The Mossad carries out the attack and then they blame it on Muslim terrorists. That's how the Zionists operate.
When do you think Israel will attack another US Ship and attempt to blame it on Iran?
Always good to get the Zionist view on things from you. Yes, this is a hoax and the fact that you don't believe our government is capable of pulling this off tells me a lot about your mindset. Newsflash, in Operation Northwoods they intended to have the CIA pose as Cuban terrorists and hijack planes (sound familiar?), bomb our own military bases, take hostages, shall I continue? How would they pull that off? Same thing here. Because they can.
From the way you talk about it, you'd almost think Operation Northwoods actually happened.
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Any false flag operation takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people to go along with it. It's not an easy task to accomplish. That's how you explain it.
Because getting hundreds (if not thousands) of people to keep absolutely silent about a plan to murder 20 children is believable.
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I figured you'd be the first one to defend the government in this case since your Israelis have perfected the false-flag operation over the years. The Mossad carries out the attack and then they blame it on Muslim terrorists. That's how the Zionists operate.
You're just another Disney apologist, aren't you? A paid corporate shill for the Mouse trying to silence the truth with your deflections and strawman arguments.
ALL problems in this world stem from an unholy alliance of the Disney Corporation and the Jews (not to be confused with Zionists--Jews have been part of every international conspiracy for centuries). "THEY"ve conditioned you to be brainwashed into focusing on Israel when that only represents a fraction of what "they" do.
Holy S. I'd love to hear exactly which parts of that you were impressed by. This guy might be trying to derail the conspiracy, in fact, because this comes off as near satire.
You mention first responder stuff. He can't figure out why vehicles aren't parked on the crime scene (and they may bell have been earlier.) He thinks that caution tape blocks passage like a landslide (when in fact if you pay attention to ambulances at events like ball games they often are surrounded by cauution tape so they CAN get out. At a HS football game last fall an EMT asked me to hold the tape and them wrap it back around a cone after they moved the ambulance, which I did.) He goes on and on about this ambulance not moving although establishes no timeline to prove that and even if he could--so?
His unquestionable IDs are anything but. The dress has been discussed here. Even if that was Victotia Soto singing (and this is by far his best effort), so? In his mind that establishes her as an actor, and by extension an actor in this sordid affair. In my mind it establishes her as a crappy singer and it's not surprising that she ended up in a different line of work.
He even starts by showing us this super professional (non-governmental, apparently) crisis acting company, then pins all of his evidence on decidedly poor, non-professional acting. He doesn't even know his own point.
I pray I'm never in a lineup and he's the witness. No telling who he'll say I am, "sithout a doubt." One of his definitive proofs was that two women in different photos bend their arms the same! Say it out loud, but not where anyone can hear you.
The kid here is probably well-meaning. But his presentation sucks and his evidence is worse. Perhaps at one point he suffered from "catonia", which is how he diagnosed the obvious "disorder" that causes kids to put their fingers in their mouths.
If someone presented a video just like this one accusing the creator of this one of a crime, I wonder if he'd despair, guilty or not, because it's just so convincing!?
You are way overreacting to my post. However, I fail to see how you countered the main issues brought up here. Basically, your entire argument is that I'm an idiot. Okay... Please keep in mind, however, I did not start this thread and I'm mainly commenting on videos that have been uploaded on some pretty prominent blogs regarding this subject over the last few days. And by prominent I mean like Hot Air, which is a pretty respected right of center site. I wasn't trying to make a definitive comment one way or the other. I personally consider myself a mostly disinterested observer and I rarely read or comment here anymore. My main point was that (for whatever reason) people are talking about this a lot more than one would expect.
You are way overreacting to my post. However, I fail to see how you countered the main issues brought up here. Basically, your entire argument is that I'm an idiot. Okay... Please keep in mind, however, I did not start this thread and I'm mainly commenting on videos that have been uploaded on some pretty prominent blogs regarding this subject over the last few days. I wasn't trying to make a definitive comment one way or the other. I personally consider myself a mostly disinterested observer.
I have no reason to believe you're an idiot and didn't intend to insinuate it. My apologies. (FTR, the "kid" I was referring to at the end was the video's creator, in case that part was also insulting.)
In fact, being disinterested in this conspiracy is probably a sign of intelligence. I should follow your lead. So I probably did overreact. I get a little worked up over this one because at this point I feel like 20 kids were killed and their families are likely devastated (not to mention the adult victims.)
My point is that the stuff in this video is weak at best, although perhaps you would indeed need to have been interested to notice.
Again, my sincerest apologies. All insults were intended for the video's "evidence", and just a little for the video's creator.
I can't say what I actually believe. There are so many questions out there that need to be answered. For some here, just for you guys to be able to dismiss this without knowing the truth is astonishing to me. Wouldn't you want to know 100% before closing the book? I could care less about the left and the right and all that garbage, if the government had anything to do with this to help move their agenda them something needs to be done. All we want are answers.
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This isn't a missing kid case. She's dead. Some asshole shot her.
And now a bunch of other assholes on the internet are dishonoring her memory by pretending it didn't happen.
That's right bluelang. But it's just as bad to be trolling with this crap. As a matter of fact I felt it necessary to finally place someone on ignore--AmericaFirst
That's right bluelang. But it's just as bad to be trolling with this crap. As a matter of fact I felt it necessary to finally place someone on ignore--AmericaFirst
Good. I'll wear that with a badge of honor. Some of us refuse to follow along with the antics of our government when they've shown in the past that they aren't above floating the false-flag operation to the American people in order to further a political agenda. Our government hopes there's another 50 million or so like yourself out there that won't look and think for yourself. Our government isn't above committing a despicable act if they believe a political agenda can be accomplished.
I can't say what I a rurally believe. There are so many questions out there that need to be answered. For some here, just for you guys to be able to dismiss this without knowing the truth is astonishing to me. Wouldn't you want to know 100% before closing the book? I could care less about the left and the right and all that garbage, if the government had anything to do with this to help move their agenda them something needs to be done. All we want are answers.
Well said. There's a ton of evidence that suggests that we don't know the entire story. How anyone can defend the creepy and downright strange reaction of that girl's "father" is beyond me. Might as well defend Casey Anthony, IMO.
Keep thinking that we have "freedom of the press" while they continue to dupe the American people.
Seriously, don't even bother. You can't help people who still believe this late in the game and after everything that has taken place that we have a free and honest media. These people actually believe the massive, multinational corporations who control the mainstream media exist to report the truth to them. They have no idea the media exists primarily to control the way they think and see the world.
Seriously, don't even bother. You can't help people who still believe this late in the game and after everything that has taken place that we have a free and honest media. These people actually believe the massive, multinational corporations who control the mainstream media exist to report the truth to them. They have no idea the media exists primarily to control the way they think and see the world.
These people are already gone. Just let them go.
Given your vast intelligence that is dripping through this post, I'm curious as to why you blame multinational corporations and the media, but NOT DISNEY!?!???
Are you so blinded by your infatuation with the Disney princesses (who's creation was designed to keep boys and girls brainwashed from infancy) to not see how steadily the Mouse has overtaken EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES?!?! From entertainment to the media to business, the Mouse is everywhere. Along with the Jews. Can't forget them...they've been part of every serious/credible conspiracy theory since medieval times. Dare I say, that's what makes a conspiracy theory believable: the Jews have to benefit in some way.
I can't say what I a rurally believe. There are so many questions out there that need to be answered. For some here, just for you guys to be able to dismiss this without knowing the truth is astonishing to me. Wouldn't you want to know 100% before closing the book? I could care less about the left and the right and all that garbage, if the government had anything to do with this to help move their agenda them something needs to be done. All we want are answers.
If you can't say what you really believe out of the fear as to how it will look to others, that's probably a clue that whatever you really believe is off-base.
I'm not trying to insult you here, but your attitude and mindset is reflective of the conspiracy theorists' "Nuremberg defense" of "we just want answers/'the truth'".
Which, at it's heart, is a vain, narcissistic, and self-serving attitude/mindset to have. Hate to break it to you: but just because others reject the "questions" and theories that have been brought up doesn't mean they blindly accepted the official version of events either. People have brains and can work through the problems independently of the media or the government.
Many of the "questions" that conspiracy theorists have brought forth in this thread are easily debunked by anyone with a functional brain. 2/3s of the "questions" stem from the actions of ONE person/family involved in this tragedy--which, while strange, doesn't exactly make it an inescapable conclusion that the entire thing was a sham. Since no one can sit here and make the claim that it's impossible for a person to quickly change emotions and/or be susceptible to expectations of how one should act in public following a tragedy like this--that's really all that needs to be said.
About the only conspiracy theorist who's addressed the question of the funerals and the caskets is "AmericaFirst"--who's proffered his theory that no one actually died in this and that the 20 children are alive and well. Hundred (if not thousands) of people are helping maintain the illusion of their death.
I'll ask you directly: do you believe that? If not...please offer your thoughts to clarify the outstanding question about the funerals, the bodies, and the morticians who've gone on the record saying what they did to volunteer in this tragedy.
If you can't say what you really believe out of the fear as to how it will look to others, that's probably a clue that whatever you really believe is off-base.
I'm not trying to insult you here, but your attitude and mindset is reflective of the conspiracy theorists' "Nuremberg defense" of "we just want answers/'the truth'".
Which, at it's heart, is a vain, narcissistic, and self-serving attitude/mindset to have. Hate to break it to you: but just because others reject the "questions" and theories that have been brought up doesn't mean they blindly accepted the official version of events either. People have brains and can work through the problems independently of the media or the government.
Many of the "questions" that conspiracy theorists have brought forth in this thread are easily debunked by anyone with a functional brain. 2/3s of the "questions" stem from the actions of ONE person/family involved in this tragedy--which, while strange, doesn't exactly make it an inescapable conclusion that the entire thing was a sham. Since no one can sit here and make the claim that it's impossible for a person to quickly change emotions and/or be susceptible to expectations of how one should act in public following a tragedy like this--that's really all that needs to be said.
About the only conspiracy theorist who's addressed the question of the funerals and the caskets is "AmericaFirst"--who's proffered his theory that no one actually died in this and that the 20 children are alive and well. Hundred (if not thousands) of people are helping maintain the illusion of their death.
I'll ask you directly: do you believe that? If not...please offer your thoughts to clarify the outstanding question about the funerals, the bodies, and the morticians who've gone on the record saying what they did to volunteer in this tragedy.
I'm sorry, I thought my post was clear enough. I stated i don't know what to believe because there are a lot of things left unanswered. Sure I could tell myself what to believe and move on but thats not good enough for me. The only thing I can think of right now is had it been my child killed, I'd want to know for sure that the person killed was truly the one behind it and that he was the only one behind it. Has anyone ever came out and answered who that unidentified person was that was arrested/detained from the woods and placed in the front of the police car? Thats where I'd like to start?
To answer your question, I don't believe the kids to still be alive. I believe murders took place. I'm just not so quick to sweep it under the rug without knowing all the facts about all involved. Not sure how you have an issue with wanting the truth to be known. Why would that be considered a self-serving attitude/mindset to have? Do you not require the truth; especially dealing with the killing of innocent kids.
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