Peyton Manning punt protection and H-Back

[rpmGator]

The upgrade has one less playoff win at Denver.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

So that is the only metric?

[Dreamliner]

Is it true that Manning has lost eight consecutive playoff games ?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Given he was out a year and won in 2006, that doesn't sound right.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

It looks like this was his third straight loss.

[Dreamliner]

Gotcha. Didn't think it had been that long.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Gotcha. Didn't think it had been that long.

I think it was the eighth time he's gone one and done. If I'm remembering the stat correctly no other QB has done that more than four times.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Well one way to avoid doing that is to never go in the first place.

[JohnC1908]

Move over Reggie Jackson, we have another Mr. October.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I surely understand the Manning hatred, but I think we can all be a little more objective about things.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I surely understand the Manning hatred, but I think we can all be a little more objective about things.

I think it's fairly accurate to say no QB in history has a bigger disparity between their regular and postseason performances.
I don't know if the guy is an actual choke artist, it just appears he does not like playing in cold weather.

[Dreamliner]

It's more of a Bronco-hatred/Tebow-love thing for me. Even when Manning was losing to the Gators every year - and getting more pub than Danny - I wasn't inclined to blame that on Manning.

[GatorLaw]

Originally Posted by rican35

fair shot? three yrs in the NFL is more than enough.. if it wasnt because of his popularity and his legions of fans he wouldve been out of the league already

Oh come on, "three yrs in the NFL is more than enough" is ridiculous. He sat on the bench most of his first year, part of his second, and all of his third. He's had the equivalent of only one full season as a starting QB and even that has been spread over three years with two different teams. Not exactly "more than enough" to judge what he might do if a team committed to him as their starting QB from day one and designed an offense that took advantage of his abilities.

I will say that I'm by no means sure that TT could be a good QB even if that were done. I look at QBs who have games similar to TT in terms of being dual threats, e.g. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernik (sp?), and it's obvious they're far better passing QBs than TT was with the Broncos. However, I don't think TT can be dismissed on the ground that his three years in the NFL has been "more than enough" to judge him.

[GatorLaw]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

I think it was the eighth time he's gone one and done. If I'm remembering the stat correctly no other QB has done that more than four times.

Exactly. Which is why I maintain that Josh Freeman is a much better QB than Peyton Manning. Freeman has never gone one and done in the playoffs, not one single time.

[Potzer01]

Play-offs, RE-ROUTE!

[rpmGator]

You play to win the game.

None of us said Manning wasn't what he is, it is those who stopped listining when we told you the rest of the story.

He is one of the best no doubt, in regular season which gets you into a position to have 8 one and dones.

He is no Tom Brady or Montana who excel in the playoffs. Manning has a poor cold weather record and a losing playoff record. He was a big reason Denver lost as they scored on his turnovers, yet he is blamless to the blind.

Medical experts said he would have trouble throwing while moving to his right, you didn't listen. But the pick that cost Peyton the game was in fact that very same throw. Zero zip on the ball due to the injury which makes that throw a fair catch duck.

Peyton of old is not the new Peyton who will always have problems due to his neck injury. If you couldn't tell the velocity change of his throws, in the cold in particular, you are the one looking for excuses to defend the Vol.

By the way, Dilfer has as many SuperBowl wins as Manning. Manning has better stats that make him your hero, but his little brother is a better winner.

Going to stick with Eli, as Peyton's place should be retirement. But if you look at Dilfer, it must not be all that hard to do more than one and dones.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Potzer01

Play-offs, RE-ROUTE!

^ This is funny.

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

Does Tim also play defense?

Funny how I use the same argument for Peyton and it gets brushed off. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who gave up a 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left. But hey, who's counting....

[REM08]

Originally Posted by VolsFan07

Funny how I use the same argument for Peyton and it gets brushed off. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who gave up a 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left. But hey, who's counting....

Logic can sometimes fall by the wayside when debating Tebow around here. I get it because I see how easy it is to be a fan of the guy.

I'd love to see the ring count if Manning had landed on the Pats and Brady on the Colts. I'm not saying there's no chance Brady does better. I just don't think it ends up where its at now. Manning's team relied on him more than any other team relied on their QB. The Pats made the playoffs (I have this right, don't I?) with Matt Cassel. So many of you are comparing apples to oranges in the hopes of bolstering the side you're 100% emotionally invested in. Best example is the one-and-dones. Think those Colts teams are going further with another QB? Who? Think they're making the playoffs every year? I'm not saying Manning is the best ever, but the lack of objectivity shown by many here about his ability and his career is startling.

Also, I agree with the point made about Manning advancing in the playoffs just as far as Tebow did. Don't think thats a technicality.

[JohnC1908]

Manning played his career with James, Harrison, and Wayne. On defense the Colts had Freeney and Sanders. I've watched him lose several games where his team was a heavy favorite in the playoffs (see this week).