Spread option

[whitelakegator]

Originally Posted by BobK89

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

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This. Play assignment football. Contain. The run and shoot actually worked for a couple years too. People will probably go crazy over this but CK is way faster than Tebow.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by gator1986

What they do is tight formation out of the shotgun with about 4 receivers obviously ones including Vernon Davis, but then they run the zone read, option I call it spread simply because there's still 4 receivers, great running backs, and a QB that can run... If those receivers all do out routes to the sideline that would be considered a spread offense then by spreading the field and letting the QB either hand off, run, or pass?

To some degree, yes, but the tight bunch stuff isn't really spread and they certainly don't run any triple option. There are plenty of pro teams who run read stuff. Regardless, I agree with you that it can work if you have enough talent with the right skill set. The problem is that there aren't a ton of quarterbacks who can run the option stuff and throw in the spread stuff at an effective enough level professionally. If I had my druthers, given the direction of the league's defensive rules, I would go with the spread pass attack over the option any day.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

The only reason the zone read/read option plays are hot in the pros right now, is because RG3, Wilson and Kaepernick can all throw. Their ability to see the field and throw the ball prohibits the linebackers and safeties to cheat up, and they have to respect the pass. That opens up their ability to run, and their respective staffs are creative enough to get them out on the perimeter to make plays in the running game.

I don't believe you'll ever see a true triple option-type attack work in the NFL. You'll see different variations of the zone option incorporated into the league, but nothing like what Paul Johnons runs would ever fly. The safeties and linebackers are simply to fast to ever allow that type of attack to consistently work.

Yea that wouldn't work, I wasn't referring to the triple anyways. But a lot of coaches I can tell are slowly starting to implement their own version of spread offense into their playbook, and I have to just it's about got damn time!

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by whitelakegator

This. Play assignment football. Contain. The run and shoot actually worked for a couple years too. People will probably go crazy over this but CK is way faster than Tebow.

Not go crazy it's true lol but Tebow runs a 4.5 right? I can't see Colin being much faster maybe because he's taller and has longer legs so longer strides make him look quicker??

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

If everyone upgrades equally fast this is totally moot. Speed really isn't even the deciding factor, it's recognition.

Although it's odd that the faster team has won the last seven national championships.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by rserina

To some degree, yes, but the tight bunch stuff isn't really spread and they certainly don't run any triple option. There are plenty of pro teams who run read stuff. Regardless, I agree with you that it can work if you have enough talent with the right skill set. The problem is that there aren't a ton of quarterbacks who can run the option stuff and throw in the spread stuff at an effective enough level professionally. If I had my druthers, given the direction of the league's defensive rules, I would go with the spread pass attack over the option any day.

Agreed.. I think the spread option read would work real good with the right running backs one on left and right, a good mobile QB, and 3/4 receivers... NFL defenses are so used to the same offenses being ran, I believe that if a team just up and switched to that kind of offense, it would take the NFL by storm, nobody gives it a shot...

[sleeze]

Alot of teams are multiple. You have to be i think in this day in age. People get caught up in wanting to call a offense a specific name. When alot of the good teams and coordinators sprinkle in a little bit of everything.

49ers use some elements of the Pistol to 5 wr spread.

I always said that if Paul Johnson would use a little bit of Run and shoot with his triple option then his offense would be unstoppable. I think it can be done even with the limited practice time college teams get compared to the nfl

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by sleeze

Alot of teams are multiple. You have to be i think in this day in age. People get caught up in wanting to call a offense a specific name. When alot of the good teams and coordinators sprinkle in a little bit of everything.

49ers use some elements of the Pistol to 5 wr spread.

Pistol is another great under used offense..

[Gatuar]

Colin runs a 4.53

Tebow a 4.72

Colin has much better top end

Tebow more effective with power running

Colin is a better passer on intermediate routes

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by Gatuar

Colin runs a 4.53

Tebow a 4.72

Colin has much better top end

Tebow more effective with power running

Colin is a better passer on intermediate routes

Damn Tebow has gotten slower!! Lol but yes very much a better power runner, and tebow a deep ball pass to me is beautiful...

[sleeze]

Originally Posted by gator1986

Damn Tebow has gotten slower!! Lol but yes very much a better power runner, and tebow a deep ball pass to me is beautiful...

And Colin got faster

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by sleeze

And Colin got faster

He's built like a beast too man..

[Gatuar]

On their best day I'm sure Tebow a 235 lbs not 251 could run a high 4.5 40

But Kap could post a low 4.4

[iam4uf]

Originally Posted by Gatuar

Colin runs a 4.53

Tebow a 4.72

Colin has much better top end

Tebow more effective with power running

Colin is a better passer on intermediate routes

It's not often that a QB has a chance to run 40 yards. For this position, I'd rather have the short yardage speed, ability to create missed tackles & size to shrug off defenders while in the pocket. When Tebow gets past the line/linebackers he's up against a corner/safety that he outweighs by 50/40 pounds & I'd take Tebow there. Tebow's short throws weren't bad until he tried to change his motion in order to be a pocket passer.

Tebow vs Kaepernick
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55 vs 1.62
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2 vs 32
Broad Jump: 09'07" vs same
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.17 vs 4.18
3-Cone Drill: 6.66 vs 6.85

[AFCyberGator]

The big difference between the NFL and college football is that in the NFL, the spread, spread-option, zone read, and wildcat are all part of a multiple offensive attack that runs all or some of those types of so-called gimmicky plays and formations with a base "pro-style" offense. A college team will run a spread or zone-read exclusively, because that is all they can run. A pro team will run those plays and formations anywhere from 0% to 50% of the time, but will always default to a "pro-style" offense. Maybe that number will grow to 80% or 90%, but only if NFL defenses do not adjust. Typically when NFL offenses change, the defenses will change a couple years later. We have seen the spread* in the NFL for a couple years now, so I expect to see defenses modify pass rusher to double as a spy. More specifically, I expect to see the 3-4 defenses move the rover/buck to that spy role and 4-3 defenses to swap a DE for a smaller rover/buck for that spy. Or, I would expect the defenses to be less concerned about hitting the QB in the backfield and containing, and disrupting the point of attack where the zone-read is occurring (as opposed to collapsing the pocket around the edges and opening bubbles for the screen).

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Although it's odd that the faster team has won the last seven national championships.

I think you misunderstand. Speed is useful and can be a deciding factor between dissonant teams playing each other. But the SEC's speed advantage is on both sides of the ball.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by gator1986

Agree 100% speed has a lot to do with how a team functions either offensively or defensively... If you have a team like Oregon who are all speed burners, and a defense like in the SEC who can run with them then it becomes a stalemate.. I remember auburn had like the 8th best defense..... In the SEC!!!!!! That year they played against Oregon the fasted paced, fastest team in college football, and they held them to practically nothing.. Then LSU the following year was even worse, if you have size and speed on defense you will win every game.... If you just have size ( Ohio st ) you lose

Didn't the Ducks score 17 and 24 in those two games- their problem was defense,

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I think you misunderstand. Speed is useful and can be a deciding factor between dissonant teams playing each other. But the SEC's speed advantage is on both sides of the ball.

No, you're missing my point. Speed in the back seven is the primary reason you don't see-and haven't seen for a while-an exclusive option attack in the NFL. Your original point was that speed has nothing to do with stopping a certain type of offense, and I'm saying that it has everything to do with why you don't see an option offense in the pros. No team is going to have five franchise offensive linemen, who can pull like the Pouncey twins, are as big as Bryant McKinnie, and have footwork like Tony Boselli. That will never happen. Ever.

That's what you would essentially need to have a shot at running the triple option offense in the NFL. Even then I'd question whether or not it would work. I'd have to see it to believe it. If you want to make up an unrealistic scenario where a team had that kind of talent across the offensive line, and argue that the triple option would work if it did, then go ahead. But I'm telling you that speed across the line of scrimmage (particularly over the last fifteen years), and speed in the back seven, will never allow a triple option offense work in the NFL.

[PIMking]

spread option? it's not really an option, only one play is an option

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by PIMking

spread option? it's not really an option, only one play is an option

No you spread out and can option to the running back, or yourself...