"Judge stops school from expelling girl who refused to wear tracking device"

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

In this case, it is quite clear that the parents did not want this tracking device. While I agree we restrict the rights of children before they become of age, by-in-large it is the parents get the final word on the matter. Not the state. And certainly not a school bureaucrat

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I'll give you this much, I don't think it would be fair to implement the policy immediately if the parents had a problem with it (maybe permit them to sign a release not holding the school accountable or something like that). And grandfather the current residents in, and make it take effect for new residents or for children born after a certain date.

Phil, I'll have to read/digest all that later!

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

When my child goes to school, he relinquishes most of his basic rights in the name of order to the extent that I believe in the process put in place to educate my child.

There's the problem. Like most well-meaning Americans, you live under the delusion that the public "education" system was set up and now currently exists in its present form to educate your child. Nothing could be further from the truth. While your child will receive some educational value while in government schools, this is only incidental. Government schools ARE NOT interested in maximizing your child's intellectual potential. They exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, and to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State.

Government schools are basically sheep mills. They turn out sheep. That's all they do. The evidence of this all around you. Most Americans are incapable of thinking for themselves. This isn't a natural state of affairs, it's the work of the "education" system. The Gatto essay was supposed to tip you off to this, but you clearly missed the point.

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

There's the problem. Like most well-meaning Americans, you live under the delusion that the public "education" system was set up and now currently exists in its present form to educate your child. Nothing could be further from the truth. While your child will receive some educational value while in government schools, this is only incidental. Government schools ARE NOT interested in maximizing your child's intellectual potential. They exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, and to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State.

Government schools are basically sheep mills. They turn out sheep. That's all they do. The evidence of this all around you. Most Americans are incapable of thinking for themselves. This isn't a natural state of affairs, it's the work of the "education" system. The Gatto essay was supposed to tip you off to this, but you clearly missed the point.

WES, this is an example of taking things too far

While our government schools do many of these things, you will be hard pressed to find anyone involved in them, all the way up to the Secretary of Education, who wants to do these things, or is happy that the institutional nature of education causes them to happen. Government schools do not exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, or to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State. Unfortunately some of the things that providing education in classes of mixed interest and ability cause us to do, also lead to those things, but for different reasons. Gatto has a very clear insight into what is happening, but takes an extra, unsupported step, in his speculation as to why those things are happening. There is a large population who is primed to believe the things that he is saying, and they carry it even farther than he has.

[wgbgator]

I thought schools were set up in the industrial era to create industrial workers, because that's what most people did. Plus, any educational institution is going to be a disciplining agent, even if its home school. That's kind of what we do to kids.

[bluelang]

Originally Posted by HALLGATOR

If they already have a tracking device then what is the need for one the students wear? As far as my like or dislike the last time I checked this was a discussion board and thus that is my stated opinion. Whether or not it passes the legal test remains to be seen .

We started out with stop signs, then we had stop lights, and now we have traffic cameras. Technology improves.

I'm not allowed to go anywhere on my work campus without my badge (which has RFID), and anyone who comes on campus is required to also check in with ID and then wear RFID, too.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

WES, this is an example of taking things too far

While our government schools do many of these things, you will be hard pressed to find anyone involved in them, all the way up to the Secretary of Education, who wants to do these things, or is happy that the institutional nature of education causes them to happen.

You mean, hard to find anyone who would openly admit it.

Of course not. What a scandal that would be.

Government schools do not exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, or to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State.

Wishful thinking on your part. I suspect cognitive dissonance is the culprit.

Unfortunately some of the things that providing education in classes of mixed interest and ability cause us to do, also lead to those things, but for different reasons. Gatto has a very clear insight into what is happening, but takes an extra, unsupported step, in his speculation as to why those things are happening. There is a large population who is primed to believe the things that he is saying, and they carry it even farther than he has.

LOL, "unsupported". The evidence is all around you, screaming in your face.

Do you honestly believe the rulings elites in this country want a nation of independent thinkers? Do you honestly believe the ruling elites in this country want a nation of people who can intelligently question the reasons they are given for all the wars, occupations, debt, fascist legislation, government expansion, and police state tactics? Why do you think this stuff is happening without hardly any opposition?

Come on, open your eyes.

[busigator96]

Originally Posted by Swampmaster

maybe a better solution is under-skin implants of tracking devices--the government needs to know.

Sadly I think that will be the next step for "security" purposes. Then the medical/financial information on them will be next. Guess what happens after that....think OnStar for your life and identity.

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

You mean, hard to find anyone who would openly admit it.

Of course not. What a scandal that would be.

Yes,if no one is doing it, finding someone who will admit to doing it is quite difficult.

Wishful thinking on your part. I suspect cognitive dissonance is the culprit.

Actually I was mistaken. I forgot that the Texas Republicans were pushing to remove critical thinking from schools this past year. I don't believe that they have been successful yet, but they did state that as a goal.

LOL, "unsupported". The evidence is all around you, screaming in your face.

Do you honestly believe the rulings elites in this country want a nation of independent thinkers? Do you honestly believe the ruling elites in this country want a nation of people who can intelligently question the reasons they are given for all the wars, occupations, debt, fascist legislation, government expansion, and police state tactics? Why do you think this stuff is happening without hardly any opposition?

Come on, open your eyes.

Yes, unsupported. Lots of speculation, but a distinct lack of facts. Here is your opportunity to set the record straight. Share with us your evidence that government run schools exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, and to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

Yes,if no one is doing it, finding someone who will admit to doing it is quite difficult.

Of course they're doing it, otherwise we wouldn't have the results we do.

Yes, unsupported. Lots of speculation, but a distinct lack of facts. Here is your opportunity to set the record straight. Share with us your evidence that government run schools exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, and to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State.

Again, the evidence is all around you. You just choose to ignore it.

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Of course they're doing it, otherwise we wouldn't have the results we do.

As I said before, you may recall, the purposes you have cited are not the only ways of providing for the results that we see. This is where you will want to provide something to bridge the gap between what the results that we see and what you are putting forth as the causes of those results.

Again, the evidence is all around you. You just choose to ignore it.

Again, what would you put forth as evidence. I would submit that, if you are correct, the evidence would not be all around us, but would be carefully hidden. Which of the things all around me would you like to use as evidence that government run schools exist to foster conformity of thought, to prevent independent, critical thinking, and to further the aims of our corrupt, crypto-fascist State.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by bluelang

We started out with stop signs, then we had stop lights, and now we have traffic cameras. Technology improves.

I'm not allowed to go anywhere on my work campus without my badge (which has RFID), and anyone who comes on campus is required to also check in with ID and then wear RFID, too.

I'm going to make an assumption your workplace is a private entity not a public school ground. There could be many reasons a private business would require its workers to have something like this, not the least is possible security breaches. I don't see this as sufficient reason to extend it to school grounds. Just because technology advances is also not good enough reason to implement it (again, in my opinion).

[busigator96]

Even today giving up liberty for security is commonplace domestically. When people feel more comfortable then the powers that be will tighten the screws a little more.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

I'll give you this much, I don't think it would be fair to implement the policy immediately if the parents had a problem with it

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Small comfort.

Like I said, this is yet another example of why parents home school.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by HALLGATOR

I'm going to make an assumption your workplace is a private entity not a public school ground. There could be many reasons a private business would require its workers to have something like this, not the least is possible security breaches. I don't see this as sufficient reason to extend it to school grounds. Just because technology advances is also not good enough reason to implement it (again, in my opinion).

Indeed. And another big point here is that the school has not demonstrated an overwhelming need for this kind of behavior.

Is there really a need for electronically tracking students? Is this really something we should be spending our tax money on?