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108 · 01-11-2013, 03:15 PM

lets be honest here...the push back is due to Islam

**oragator1** · 01-11-2013, 03:21 PM

Anyone see Jon Stewart's show last night?
He ran clips of anti American stuff, crazy anti Israel stuff coming from what was ostensibly Al Jazeera, but I turns out it was another middle eastern network where Rupert Murdoch has a large equity stake.
Meanwhile you have O'Reilly and Hannity going ballistic over the Gore sale on Murdoch's air. I have to hand it to Murdoch, he's an evil genius.

wgbgator · 01-11-2013, 03:23 PM

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lets be honest here...the push back is due to Islam

Its probably not even that deep. Just the reflexive reaction to the name. Maybe if they called it BeIN like their sport channel, no one would notice.

**harwil** · 01-11-2013, 03:43 PM

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And that means what? It shouldn't be allowed here?

And, yes, it is a test case for an open society.

Right .Isn't BBC Ameroca owned by the British governmennt ?Or is my thinking 1960's?

108 · 01-11-2013, 04:38 PM

got to love how excited FOX got about Al Gore selling Current to Al Jazeera

**oragator1** · 01-11-2013, 04:43 PM

Here is the Stewart video clip btw.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...hypocrisy.html

DaveFla · 01-11-2013, 04:46 PM

Hogwash.. It's simple supply and demand. Same reason CurrentTV failed. It's an inferior product, and yes... I have watched it.

DaveFla · 01-11-2013, 04:49 PM

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Here is the Stewart video clip btw.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...hypocrisy.html

You guys need to make up your minds. Either Stewart is a journalist, or he is a entertainer. I don't care which you decide but all this switching back and forth has to stop.

**oragator1** · 01-11-2013, 04:54 PM

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You guys need to make up your minds. Either Stewart is a journalist, or he is a entertainer. I don't care which you decide but all this switching back and forth has to stop.

Where have I claimed that he is either? I enjoy him because he points out hypocrisy, which is one of my main problems with today's culture, I don't care much how he is labelled. Yes he seems to take a special delight in Fox News, but even in this segment he made the point that Gore as a supposed environmentalist was getting rich by selling to an oil producer basically.
People in positions of power, be it the media, government, business etc, are hypocrites because we allow it, either through a cognitive dissonance or because we are ignorant. Wish more people on both sides would follow his lead.

philnotfil · 01-11-2013, 04:57 PM

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Here is the Stewart video clip btw.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...hypocrisy.html

The people at Fox in those videos don't seem to think it is an economic decision.

DaveFla · 01-11-2013, 04:58 PM

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Where have I claimed that he is either? I enjoy him because he points out hypocrisy, which is one of my main problems with today's culture, I don't care much how he is labelled. Yes he seems to take a special delight in Fox News, but even in this segment he made the point that Gore as a supposed environmentalist was getting rich by selling to an oil producer basically.
People in positions of power, be it the media, government, business etc, are hypocrites because we allow it, either through a cognitive dissonance or because we are ignorant. Wish more people on both sides would follow his lead.

Jeez...

You fail to see his own hypocrisy in pointing out other people's hypocrisy...

He is an entertainer. He manipulates stories in order to be entertaining. It is unfortunate, however, they the weak minded among us view his form of entertainment as something more than it really is; entertainment.

DaveFla · 01-11-2013, 05:02 PM

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The people at Fox in those videos don't seem to think it is an economic decision.

And suddenly, you are a believer in FOX?

It's an economic decision. We already have an anti-US news channel: MSNBC. There simply is no more room for another.

108 · 01-11-2013, 05:08 PM

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Jeez...

You fail to see his own hypocrisy in pointing out other people's hypocrisy...

He is an entertainer. He manipulates stories in order to be entertaining. It is unfortunate, however, they the weak minded among us view his form of entertainment as something more than it really is; entertainment.

Jon doesn't have much of a history of "manipulating" actual news

For that, see FOX

DaveFla · 01-11-2013, 05:15 PM

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Jon doesn't have much of a history of "manipulating" actual news

For that, see FOX

You're joking, right?

When has Stewart ever NOT manipulated an even so as to make it more entertaining?

Even the clip in question (above) was selectively edited so as to be entertaining. As I said, only the weak mind among us view it as credible.

**oragator1** · 01-11-2013, 05:16 PM

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Jeez...

You fail to see his own hypocrisy in pointing out other people's hypocrisy...

He is an entertainer. He manipulates stories in order to be entertaining. It is unfortunate, however, they the weak minded among us view his form of entertainment as something more than it really is; entertainment.

What did he manipulate? Does Murdoch not own 20% of the company from whose network that despicable clip was aired at the same time his staff is bashing Gore and Al Jazeera? Of course he has a POV that underlies why he brought it up and set the table for the point he was trying to make, but that doesn't change the fact that what he aired was factually correct. Call him an entertainer or label him however you choose, but if he is viewed by some as a trusted news guy (and I would put him more towards entertainer/crusader), I think it says a lot more about the news industry than it does Stewart or even many of his fans.

busigator96 · 01-11-2013, 05:17 PM

i think I can get it on my Roku box

DaveFla · 01-11-2013, 05:18 PM

As I said. Only the weak minds among us view Stewart as anything more than just an entertainer.

108 · 01-11-2013, 05:20 PM

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You're joking, right?

When has Stewart ever NOT manipulated an even so as to make it more entertaining?

Even the clip in question (above) was selectively edited so as to be entertaining. As I said, only the weak mind among us view it as credible.

we are talking of 2 different things

**oragator1** · 01-11-2013, 05:27 PM

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As I said. Only the weak minds among us view Stewart as anything more than just an entertainer.

I have already said I would put him in the entertainer camp and freely admitted he has a POV that underlies what he puts on air, but I am specifically asking what was inaccurate in the claim that Murdoch is part owner of a station that ran that clip? What was unfairly manipulated (ie. inaccurately portrayed) to provide the result Stewart sought? Did that not clip air on a network Murdoch has a large stake in at the same time his anchors here in the US were bashing Gore for selling to someone similar? If the answer is "it wasn't provided in context", please feel free to provide the context that was missing, I would be interested to see it.

rivergator · 01-11-2013, 05:31 PM

Stewart is bright and clever and does a good job skewering the ridiculous and hypocritical among us. Usually he picks on conservatives, but not always.
That really bugs Dave, apparently.