How many more assault weapons are now in circulation because of Obama's threats?

[cocodrilo]

Another school kid was shot today in class, this time by another kid who walked in with a 12-gauge shotgun.

I'm sure this caught Biden and his task force by surprise, and they will now have to amend their recommendations to include a ban on shotguns.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by Row6

Yes, and we all know about the success of the resistance movements in WW2. We and the Russians were only required for clean up duties.

By oath the military is required to act at the order of it's CIC against enemies foreign and domestic. Nowhere in the constitution are they given the power to determine exactly who that is on their own, and that's a necessary and good thing, unless you think military coups are generally a positive.

As usual you are mistaken.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

They are sworn to defend the constitution and obey all lawful orders, and yes they are accountable. Though it's interesting that you are arguing that we are already living under a tacit despotism.

I'm beginning to be persuaded that it is now safe to ignore your opinion.

[helix139]

Originally Posted by Row6

Yes, and we all know about the success of the resistance movements in WW2. We and the Russians were only required for clean up duties.

By oath the military is required to act at the order of it's CIC against enemies foreign and domestic. Nowhere in the constitution are they given the power to determine exactly who that is on their own, and that's a necessary and good thing, unless you think military coups are generally a positive.

Actually they are required by oath to defend the constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign or domestic. They are required to obey the orders of the president and other commanding officers according to the UCMJ. The latter clause is key as the UCMJ prohibits soldiers from following unlawful orders. If the president has become an enemy of the constitution and is giving unlawful orders in conflict with that constitution, they are obligated by their oath to disobey those orders and even to defend the constitution from the president himself.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

As usual you are mistaken.



They are sworn to defend the constitution and obey all lawful orders, and yes they are accountable. Though it's interesting that you are arguing that we are already living under a tacit despotism.

I'm beginning to be persuaded that it is now safe to ignore your opinion.

If you wish to retire from debate that is your choice. The quote above does not grant them any power to determine who enemies are, or otherwise they could also attack Canada without an order from their CIC.

Nothing I have said indicates I think we are even close to despotism, though if you think otherwise please say where.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Row6

If you wish to retire from debate that is your choice. The quote above does not grant them any power to determine who enemies are, or otherwise they could also attack Canada without an order from their CIC.

Nothing I have said indicates I think we are even close to despotism, though if you think otherwise please say where.

It doesn't matter, if the president gives an illegal order to him/her they have not only the right but the duty to tell him to get f*cked

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by Row6

If you wish to retire from debate that is your choice. The quote above does not grant them any power to determine who enemies are, or otherwise they could also attack Canada without an order from their CIC.

Nothing I have said indicates I think we are even close to despotism, though if you think otherwise please say where.

If the armed forces are sworn to obedience to the person of the CIC and have no discretion to interpret legalities when given orders, then what else would you call it but despotism? Although I guess you'd call it nothing out of the ordinary, and certainly nothing to be concerned about. But the fact is, our military is sworn to obey and defend the constitution, not particular government officers.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

I have a Beretta semiauto (5 rd tube) which I keep handy.

Don't take that hunting unless you have a dowel to put in it. Most states restrict shotguns to allow only 3 loaded shells for hunting. Some states require that ALL shotguns be restricted to only three shells.

[helix139]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Don't take that hunting unless you have a dowel to put in it. Most states restrict shotguns to allow only 3 loaded shells for hunting. Some states require that ALL shotguns be restricted to only three shells.

Depends on what you are hunting. The above generally applies to hunting waterfowl, but not necessarily deer, hogs, or turkey

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Actually, this all just a plan to trick you guys into spending more money, thus stimulating the economy. If I'm not mistaken, you guys did this in 2009, too, anticipating the coming gun ban. It didn't happen, of course. But you were tricked into spending a lot of money then, too.

Shh, don't tell them

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by helix139

Depends on what you are hunting. The above generally applies to hunting waterfowl, but not necessarily deer, hogs, or turkey

In Georgia, 5 shells are allowed for only deer, bear and hog. For turkey, three shots are the max. I think that is true in Florida too?

[helix139]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

In Georgia, 5 shells are allowed for only deer, bear and hog. For turkey, three shots are the max. I think that is true in Florida too?

Not sure about turkey or bear, but with deer you can use 5 shots and with hogs you can use as many as you want on private land

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Remington Police 870 might suffice if you like the surety of a pump, or maybe tricked out by Wilson, if you like do-dads.

That's what I have.