Ok liberals I am giving you the floor....what do you want your America to look like?

[dadx4]

Be honest please. If you could shape your America to be exactly the way you want it, what would it look like. Also to be fair, once everyone is done, I will do a "what my America would look like." That way I am being PC....lol

[Minister_of_Information]

Kidding.

[corpgator]

Actually, I want you to go first Dad. I'm really interested in what yours would look like.

[wgbgator]

Look, I love a good parade as much as anyone. But I can't get used to calling someone dear leader.

[wgbgator]

I know it's hard for you to believe, but it wouldnt look much different than it does now, just more democratic (lower case) in the workplace and in gov't. I have a limited imagination, and I'm decidely non-utopian, so I'm just gonna go ahead an say slightly more German or Northern European.

[92gator]

After the latest electorial debacle of biblical proportions, I've decided to declare myself liberal. Neo-libby, in fact.

So here's my neo-libby view of America:

All those rich people be made poor, so that they know what the rest of the world has had to endure. Take all their assets, and we give them to: the obama Family; the Clinton family; the pelosi Family; and al gore.

They'll know how we want those assets distributed, and we can trust them to do it.

I want a cel. phone, a new car, my mortgage forgiven, free health car for me and my family, and free college for the kids. I also want to be rich--and I trust Obama, Clinton, pelosi, gore, et. al., will make me rich--comparatively, anyway--because they won't need all that money they fleeced from the rich ppl.

Oh...and I don't want to work anymore. Ever.

That's my America.

Eureka!

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by 92gator

After the latest electorial debacle of biblical proportions, I've decided to declare myself liberal. Neo-libby, in fact.

So here's my neo-libby view of America:

All those rich people be made poor, so that they know what the rest of the world has had to endure. Take all their assets, and we give them to: the obama Family; the Clinton family; the pelosi Family; and al gore.

They'll know how we want those assets distributed, and we can trust them to do it.

I want a cel. phone, a new car, my mortgage forgiven, free health car for me and my family, and free college for the kids. I also want to be rich--and I trust Obama, Clinton, pelosi, gore, et. al., will make me rich--comparatively, anyway--because they won't need all that money they fleeced from the rich ppl.

Oh...and I don't want to work anymore. Ever.

That's my America.

Eureka!

And that's the trouble with threads like this. They quickly devolve into idiocies like this.

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Very serious campaign finance reform will take care of most of what I want

Once our elected officials actually work for the people, the whole "left vs right" thing won't mean as much when big money special interests aren't given such a big microphone

Gov working for the most of us in a fair manner in the most efficient way as possible

Too liberal for you?!?

[92gator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

And that's the trouble with threads like this. They quickly devolve into idiocies like this.

Actually, that's the problem with liberalism--it naturally devolves into the idiotic expectations suggested in my post. But hey, if you're on the receiving end (of the promises, that is), why liberalism is magnificent! Perfectly suited for hypothetical deamland, as called for by the OP!

(and Barry's campaign--which naturally resonates with idiots--which, as it turns out, currently represents a majority voting block...).

So I figure if I can't beat 'em...I'll just join 'em....check my brilliance and work ethic at the door, and become a lazy idiot.

Eureka!

[gator421]

The big rock candy mountain.

[wgbgator]

Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

[wgbgator]

As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by gator421

The big rock candy mountain.

Now if we could just find the jerk who invented work, and hang him.

[dudehead]

The 50s and 60s without the institutional gender and racial discrimination. This chart about income and productivity growth shows one of the reasons:




The early 1980s is a clear turning point in some important data, such as, disparity in income growth and growth in public and private debt. For example, here is a pic of historical relative income growth (notice when the income disparity spread began to grow again):



And here's a pic of our public debt since 1980:

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Originally Posted by dudehead

The 50s and 60s without the institutional gender and racial discrimination. This chart about income and productivity growth shows one of the reasons:




The early 1980s is a clear turning point in some important data, such as, disparity in income growth and growth in public and private debt. For example, here is a pic of historical relative income growth (notice when the income disparity spread began to grow again):



And here's a pic of our public debt since 1980:

Reagan was a puppet for the rich in this regard

Trickle-down has always been a wealth grab upwards, hence the ever growing income disparity

[FrolfGator]

- Tax code cleaned up, simplified. Additional top end brackets. Close loopholes. Capital gains taxes as income.

- Elimination of racial and gender discrimination in industry and academia, such that affirmative action and other EEO policies are no longer needed.

- Smart grid, with majority of energy generation from wind, solar, hydro, and some nuclear. Lots of distributed generation (solar panels on homes and businesses).

- Hard limits on greenhouse gas emissions. Strengthened clean water, clear air, endangered species, endangered habitats laws.

- More investment in STEMS. More investment in education (actual education, not salaries and luxuries for school board and college administrations). Investment in vocational training for students not interested in traditional higher education.

- Single payer healthcare, with a private market for supplemental insurance.

- Corporations are not people, money is not speech. Overturn Citizens United. Campaign finance reform. Religious institutions no longer tax exempt. Trust busting, breaking up companies that are "too big to fail". Stricter corporate ethics regulations (particularly around membership on board of directors).

- SEC oversight of more financial instruments. Break up larger banks. Regulate high-speed trading.

- Light rail/mass transit in population centers. Backbone of high-speed rail between major population centers. More shielded bike lanes and sidewalks.

- Eliminating blue laws. Alcohol sales whenever. Marijuana legalized nationally. Same sex marriage legalized nationally.

- Background checks for private gun sales.

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

und wenn ihnen die fahigkeit fehlt?

what frolf said along with

- computer algorithm generated voting districts

- cut the military in half

- mandate that for every dollar spent on defense a dollar must be spent on infrastructure

- outlaw private ownership of public works, prisons

- mandate that healthcare can never again be a for profit industry

- high speed broadband nationwide

- term limits on the supreme court and federal judges

- review and invalidate patents at every level (think monsanto and iphone round edges)

or this should all else fail

link to image

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

[dangolegators]

If we could get rid of all the ignorance, much of everything else would take care of itself. So I'd want my America to look like a country with a better educated, more open minded, more intellectually curious populace. Instead, we are looking more and more like an idiocracy.