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Old 01-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #181
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if UF is to win the SEC east then beat a great alabama team in Atlanta, Driskel and the Oline will have to show dramatic improvement.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:27 PM   #182
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Are you confusing me with someone else? I've yet to post anything on this thread about Jeff Driskel. I like Jeff and think despite his rocky moments he always gave us the best chance to win this year. His upside is still huge and I hope for big things from him.

But you might want to stick to a consistent point. Just on this thread you've gone from "plenty of people in 2007 were hating on Tim and wanted Cam instead" to "plenty of people had questions about Tebow in 2007" to "starting QBs always get ripped unless they pass for amazing stats." Because I'm not actually arguing with your premise concerning Jeff, but the points you're using to explain it are either wrong or inapt.
Perhaps I confused your sentiment regarding Driskell.

My point about people hating the starter has been the same from my first post regarding the subject......I used Tebow in 07 as an example, perhaps I should have used Tebow vs Leak in 2006 to illustrate it?


Seems as there are always people here hating on the current QB in favor of the backup, unless the QB throws goes 30/35 for 400yrds and 5 TDs with no picks and 1 run in score to boot.

Plenty were hating on Tebow in favor of Newton during the 2007 season

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Just because you don't remember Tebow's naysayers in 07 does not mean they were not around. Hell do you remember the cries for Tebow over Leak in 06 (they were loud in the swamp on more than a few occasions) and it was embarrasing.

The point remains the same, agree or disagree with the examples. For some the starter is always a target unless they are going 35/40 for 400yrds and 5 TDs. Same as with the crowd that is always screaming unless UF beats every team 52-7. Sorry if you did not follow from the begining.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:32 PM   #183
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I would say Tebow had near universal support among Gator fans in 2007.
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Perhaps I confused your sentiment regarding Driskell.

My point about people hating the starter has been the same from my first post regarding the subject......I used Tebow in 07 as an example, perhaps I should have used Tebow vs Leak in 2006 to illustrate it?


Seems as there are always people here hating on the current QB in favor of the backup, unless the QB throws goes 30/35 for 400yrds and 5 TDs with no picks and 1 run in score to boot.

Plenty were hating on Tebow in favor of Newton during the 2007 season

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Just because you don't remember Tebow's naysayers in 07 does not mean they were not around. Hell do you remember the cries for Tebow over Leak in 06 (they were loud in the swamp on more than a few occasions) and it was embarrasing.

The point remains the same, agree or disagree with the examples. For some the starter is always a target unless they are going 35/40 for 400yrds and 5 TDs. Same as with the crowd that is always screaming unless UF beats every team 52-7. Sorry if you did not follow from the begining.
It's an axiom of football at all levels that the backup QB is the most popular player on the team. You've said nothing new there and I understood--and generally agreed with--the point from the beginning. It's only your poor and shifting examples that have caused any confusion. And the fact that you think I've made any comments about Driskel here, pro or con, until my last message.
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It's an axiom of football at all levels that the backup QB is the most popular player on the team. You've said nothing new there and I understood--and generally agreed with--the point from the beginning. It's only your poor and shifting examples that have caused any confusion. And the fact that you think I've made any comments about Driskel here, pro or con, until my last message.
As I said, if I mistook your comments to regard Driskell, sorry (that's twice now) I perhaps just read something into it.

As far as "poor and shifting examples" well dude that's your op, just because you don't remember people complaining about Tebow over Leak(06), Newton over Tebow(07), and just about anybody over Brantley (10). Just about every year there is some faction complaining, just because you don't remember or don't agree it that's your issue.
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As I said, if I mistook your comments to regard Driskell, sorry (that's twice now) I perhaps just read something into it.

As far as "poor and shifting examples" well dude that's your op, just because you don't remember people complaining about Tebow over Leak(06), Newton over Tebow(07), and just about anybody over Brantley (10). Just about every year there is some faction complaining, just because you don't remember or don't agree it that's your issue.
Bang the drum all you want, but there was no outcry for Cam to replace Tim. In 2007 Cam was terrible in his few snaps and a major work in progress. Tim got some fleeting criticism that year, but no one thought Cam was ready to do anything other than handoff or scramble. Your other examples are just fine and right on. But why you keep coming back to 2007 Cam I can't fathom.

And I'll apologize for not catching your apology the first time. To be honest, it came across as I had somehow been unclear rather than you were reading something in that I never wrote or implied. But if it was sincere, then it's completely accepted and appreciated.
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Bang the drum all you want, but there was no outcry for Cam to replace Tim. In 2007 Cam was terrible in his few snaps and a major work in progress. Tim got some fleeting criticism that year, but no one thought Cam was ready to do anything other than handoff or scramble. Your other examples are just fine and right on. But why you keep coming back to 2007 Cam I can't fathom.

And I'll apologize for not catching your apology the first time. To be honest, it came across as I had somehow been unclear rather than you were reading something in that I never wrote or implied. But if it was sincere, then it's completely accepted and appreciated.
We'll just disagree about about Tebow/Cam and leave it at that.

I was being sincere regarding misinterpreting your other remarks, to be honest I had lumped your comments in with that of another poster...

The original point that I was trying to make is that almost always there are hypercritical people who bitch about the starting QB regardless of how well or poor the QB plays. I think you can agree there? Tebow in 2008 and 2009 was the exception I think not only because he was such a good offensive weapon but because UF only lost 1 reg season game in that time span. The other exception was DW in 95-96 for the same reason. Bottom line if the team is winning handily naysayers have little to bitch about. Perhaps the Tebow/Cam 07 was not the best example but in the last 17 yrs there are prob only about 5-6 seasons when the naysayers actually shut up RG in 2001 comes to mind.
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I would say Tebow had near universal support among Gator fans in 2007.
How was there any complaint about him? His stats that season were ridiculous.
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Would be more scared of the Cam thing repeating itself if it was Jeff transfering to a school that actually runs the type of offense he's best suited for, that said I'd be worried if Jacoby goes to a spread program as well- at a Clemson or a WVU, some school that actually wants an offense to do more than run the clock he could be a star.
WVU would be perfect for him.
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Source tells me former #Gators QB Jacoby Brissett visiting NC State & WVU this weekend. Expected to pick between those 2 fairly quickly.
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I hope he goes to NC ST and works the Noles.
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Source tells me former #Gators QB Jacoby Brissett visiting NC State & WVU this weekend. Expected to pick between those 2 fairly quickly.
why would he go to a place where the QB is leaving and someone new is guaranteed to be the starter next season? Would think he would be better off going to a school where the QB will be a senior next season.
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his coach has mentioned WVu a few times but like you I would prefer he go to NC state.
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I think playing football, esp. at the QB position, is very different. It's kind of like choosing a program based upon the opportunity to study with a certain professor or work in a particular lab, but finding out that such opportunity will not exist after all. I am not suggesting JB was mislead. I am suggesting that his heart might be in Gainesville, but his talent and ability should not be wasted. Heck, there are many fans on here who call themselves Gators, but have never stepped foot in a classroom. Would you remove the Gator tag from JB because he wishes for an optimal opportunity to utilize his talents?
My point is just because he was here and is now leaving doesn't keep him a Gator. My understanding is he was given opportunity and was going to be given more opportunity to win the starting position but instead he's transferring thus leaving the Gator nation. If he's as talented as some think, he should've stayed and won the position.
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How do you know? UF was his first choice but Meyer only offered him a gray shirt.
A lot of players don't go to their childhood team. Has nothing to do with his first choice.
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if muschamp / pease thought brissett was better than driskel, wouldn't they start him?
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All we heard through spring practice, fall practice, and even after the BG game was that the starting QB hadn't been selected, that it was still an open competition. Now that may not have been true, maybe WM was lying. But if it was true I don't know how anyone could ask for a more fair shot than that.
I agree. JB was give a fair shot and was told he would have another shot in the spring. He chose to transfer. His decision.
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Probably the same thing Driskel will be doing in two years unless he learns to read a defense and a few other things.
A little premature to be talking like this.
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I'm interested in knowing how all of you gained access to practices last spring and early fall. To think the coaches for any reason played the inferior QB is just idiotic.
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