Jacoby Brissett (merged threads).

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Originally Posted by Zanso

I think we can specify what schools they are able to transfer to. I hope we're smarter about it because we've let quite a few kids go to Louisville...that didn't work out so well for us.

Strictly speaking they can go anywhere they want but if they go somewhere we don't want they have to pay their own way for a year (my understanding, could be wrong). But since the coaches/AD can effectively specify where a kid can and can't go if he isn't able to pay his own way for a year, I've always thought the players should have the same right with the coaches. E.g. the players should be able to vote on which schools the coaches can go to when they want to leave before their contracts expire and if they go to one the players don't like the coaches have to work without pay the first year.

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Originally Posted by hd80dun

I don't judge a QB by how the o-line blocks as much as I do by the fact that he locks his eyes on one receiver, he holds the ball and gets sacked when he had plenty of time to throw it away, he tries to throw when he's in someone's grip and fumbles and so many other things that good QBs don't do.

But you can blame the supporting cast for all that if you wish to do so.

Team effort, team blame.

Do you think JD would be a little better if the Line had blocked consistently? Hard for a QB to get in rythym if there are rushers coming free, im not talking against good teams it happened against the cupcakes too.

I agree early in the year he did stupid things, running OOB behind the line instead of throwing it away. I also agree some of the handoff TO were his fault but to blame JD for all of the Os woes is not justified IMHO.

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Originally Posted by OaktownGator

The bottom line is that we didn't need a great QB, or a great offense for that matter, to go 11-2 this year.

That's why I was so confident we'd easily beat the 6-6 record the doom and gloomers were pumping before the season.

To Driskel's credit, he protected the football well in all but two games... and those were the games that bit us. And he did make some strong plays in a couple of games where we made comebacks, so his performance is pretty clearly tied to our record.

But if we want to take the next step to a championship level, he will need to learn to read defenses and understand what the defense is giving him. Then get the ball there, whether via the run or the pass, or at least keep us out of negative plays. This will be particularly true next season, when our defense will almost certainly go through growing pains.

Agree.

I guess people forget that Tebow had a few not so great plays in 07, I remember one in particular against the leg humpers where he fumbled while driving deep in UGA territory with the game on the line.

Some people expect a QB at UF to be perfect in all aspects of the game from the day they start.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by gatorpa

Agree

Seems as there are always people here hating on the current QB in favor of the backup, unless the QB throws goes 30/35 for 400yrds and 5 TDs with no picks and 1 run in score to boot.

Plenty were hating on Tebow in favor of Newton during the 2007 season

Two things: 1) 2007 Tebow in 4 games would outplay an entire 2012 Driskel season
2) Who called for Tim to be benched for a true frosh in 2007?

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Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Two things: 1) 2007 Tebow in 4 games would outplay an entire 2012 Driskel season
2) Who called for Tim to be benched for a true frosh in 2007?

A few more things.

Tebow is the exception and not the rule. He is perhaps the best college quarterback in the history of the game. Let's take him off the table.

As for the rest, who was our last true sophomore QB beyond Tebow to get his first starts in his soph season? Even Tebow played significantly more as a true freshman than did Driskel. Rex had redshirted and taken significant snaps as a redshirt soph. Leak started all but three games his freshman year.

Did Doug Johnson redshirt? He and Driskel had nearly identical passing numbers in terms of efficiency (of course Driskel adds the running game).

[DuPontGator]

I wonder what Brantley is doing seriously. Anybody know?

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Why ? Afraid he winds up another Brock Berlin ?

The thing with Berlin was that he really only seemed to play well against us. Other than those two games he really wasn't all that great and scUM fans weren't exactly teary-eyed when he left town.

[hd80dun]

Originally Posted by gatorpa

Do you think JD would be a little better if the Line had blocked consistently?

If that would somehow make him scan the field instead of locking on one receiver and determining who he was going to throw to before the snap, and would make him throw the ball away when everyone was covered instead of getting sacked, then I guess the answer would be yes.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by co_gator89

The thing with Berlin was that he really only seemed to play well against us. Other than those two games he really wasn't all that great and scUM fans weren't exactly teary-eyed when he left town.

I somehow ended up looking at Berlin's senior stats a few weeks back and he actually had a very good final year at Miami.

[hd80dun]

By the way, I think Jeff could become a great QB. I'm only speaking about how he played this year. "This year" he was John Brantley will wheels.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I wouldn't say "this year."

Second half of this year? Yeah. He looked pretty damned good through USC.

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Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

You're entitled to your opinion but Jacoby had every opportunity to win the spot. I realize that sounds like the Tebow situation but this isn't bout Tebow.

I agree. I think it's silly to say that JB didn't get a fair shot because he didn't play as much in the BG game as Jeff. He had an entire spring and fall of competition to win the job. Most coaches would have named a starting QB before the first game of the season, the BG game wouldn't even have entered into it.

[AmbroseGator]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Two things: 1) 2007 Tebow in 4 games would outplay an entire 2012 Driskel season
2) Who called for Tim to be benched for a true frosh in 2007?

Yeah, caught #2 as well.

I can't think of anyone in 2007 wanting Tim to be benched for Cam. The few snaps Cam took early on showed him to be a powerful runner and absolutely terrible passer. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. It's the primary reason his run at Auburn was so amazing--he'd become such a better passer than he ever hinted at being here it was difficult to believe.

[Swampmaster]

Originally Posted by 62gator

fwiw, one report says WVU - L'ville - Arkansas - NC State are in the mix.

Hopefully he doesn't go to Louisville & uf ends up playing them in a bowl game again and get smoked

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Originally Posted by AmbroseGator

Yeah, caught #2 as well.

I can't think of anyone in 2007 wanting Tim to be benched for Cam. The few snaps Cam took early on showed him to be a powerful runner and absolutely terrible passer. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. It's the primary reason his run at Auburn was so amazing--he'd become such a better passer than he ever hinted at being here it was difficult to believe.

There were plenty of people around asking questions about Tebow after losses like UGa in 2007, I guess the following years washed people's memory of it. Go pull some threads from 2007 in particular after fumbling while running with the ball out like a loaf of bread against UGA.( on about UGa's 25). I wasn't saying that there was a large cry to pull Tebow for Cam but there was plenty of criticism of Tebow. I have not heard a large cry to pull Driskell in favor of Brissett this year either.....I guess as long as UF wins people are happy but loose one and everybody is an armchair OC.

[gatorpa]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Two things: 1) 2007 Tebow in 4 games would outplay an entire 2012 Driskel season
2) Who called for Tim to be benched for a true frosh in 2007?

Nobody called for Tebow to be benched as a "true fresh in 2007"....he was a sophomore in 2007!
2007 Tebow also had a great line and Percy! Where is our Percy now? Nobody even close. We also had what 5 losses in 2007? I'll take Driskells "sub Tebow " numbers and 11-2 over 8-5/9-4 all day! Don't forget in 2007 who was the RB? Can't remember? No 1000 yard rusher then Tebow had to do it all because it was him and Percy with a little Demps, Rainey, Hernandez mixed in.

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Originally Posted by gatorpa

There were plenty of people around asking questions about Tebow after losses like UGa in 2007, I guess the following years washed people's memory of it. Go pull some threads from 2007 in particular after fumbling while running with the ball out like a loaf of bread against UGA.( on about UGa's 25). I wasn't saying that there was a large cry to pull Tebow for Cam but there was plenty of criticism of Tebow. I have not heard a large cry to pull Driskell in favor of Brissett this year either.....I guess as long as UF wins people are happy but loose one and everybody is an armchair OC.

Yes, Tebow received criticism at times in 2007. And the UGA game was certainly one of those times he was questioned (as I recall he played hurt in that game). But here's your actual quote that I was responding to:

"Plenty were hating on Tebow in favor of Newton during the 2007 season"

And that's just not true. Newton showed nothing in 2007 other than the ability to bust through tacklers and throw the ball into the dirt yards in front of his receivers. Criticism of Tebow was just that, criticism of Tebow. I don't remember ANYONE wanting Cam to play in front of him, let alone "plenty" of people.

Tim was not immune from criticism in 2007, but I gotta say it never lasted long. It was such an unbelievable year offensively, he managed to silence critics again and again.

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I don't think he had a fair shot either. I wish him the best.

[gatorpa]

Originally Posted by AmbroseGator

Yes, Tebow received criticism at times in 2007. And the UGA game was certainly one of those times he was questioned (as I recall he played hurt in that game). But here's your actual quote that I was responding to:

"Plenty were hating on Tebow in favor of Newton during the 2007 season"

And that's just not true. Newton showed nothing in 2007 other than the ability to bust through tacklers and throw the ball into the dirt yards in front of his receivers. Criticism of Tebow was just that, criticism of Tebow. I don't remember ANYONE wanting Cam to play in front of him, let alone "plenty" of people.

Tim was not immune from criticism in 2007, but I gotta say it never lasted long. It was such an unbelievable year offensively, he managed to silence critics again and again.

Point is there are always people here and elsewhere ripping the starting QB unless the go 35/40 for 400yrds and 5 TD's.

You seem very down on Driskell, yet I don't recall much talk of JB taking over when UF was 11-1. I think he did break Tebow's single game rushing record, so he's not all bad and does not deserve the whole blame for an up and down offense.

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Originally Posted by gatorpa

Point is there are always people here and elsewhere ripping the starting QB unless the go 35/40 for 400yrds and 5 TD's.

You seem very down on Driskell, yet I don't recall much talk of JB taking over when UF was 11-1. I think he did break Tebow's single game rushing record, so he's not all bad and does not deserve the whole blame for an up and down offense.

Are you confusing me with someone else? I've yet to post anything on this thread about Jeff Driskel. I like Jeff and think despite his rocky moments he always gave us the best chance to win this year. His upside is still huge and I hope for big things from him.

But you might want to stick to a consistent point. Just on this thread you've gone from "plenty of people in 2007 were hating on Tim and wanted Cam instead" to "plenty of people had questions about Tebow in 2007" to "starting QBs always get ripped unless they pass for amazing stats." Because I'm not actually arguing with your premise concerning Jeff, but the points you're using to explain it are either wrong or inapt.