The Gunshow 'Loophole'

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by 108

do you have a list of states besides Wyoming that don't impose a background check for private gun sales?

and can a person purchase between state lines?

I think you fail to lack the concept between law abiding citizens and those who have no regard for the law.

[gator996]

[quote=gatorman_07732;6297394]

Originally Posted by gator996

So if the gun is stolen from a persons house and used in a crime, then he should go to jail? You want to transform otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals. Pure genius

Proposed legislation wants all sales, tranfers, loss, theft of guns be reported.

[gatorman_07732]

[quote=gator996;6297443]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Proposed legislation wants all sales, tranfers, loss, theft of guns be reported.

And the proposed legislation can burn in hell because it's not going to do a damn thing to prevent what has happened. This is what gets me from the left on this issue, because its always knee jerk reaction. What does any of this have to do with what happened in CT?

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Except there is a constitutional amendment that protects those rights. I'm going to ask one more time, WHY DON"T YOU MOVE TO A STATE THAT BEST FITS THE LAWS YOU WANT. That is the third time I asked this question. As I told 108 above, someone in Wyoming would take issue with what you want to impose on them. I find this completely arrogant

If there was a federal law regulating guns (which the government has the right to do) then federal law would trump state law.

Happens all of the time...marijuana laws anyone?


Anyway, what's the aversion to national registration and tracking?

Govt tracks ownership interest in homes, cars, etc.
Why not guns?

[gator996]

[quote=gatorman_07732;6297452]

Originally Posted by gator996

And the proposed legislation can burn in hell because it's not going to do a damn thing to prevent what has happened. This is what gets me from the left on this issue, because its always knee jerk reaction. What does any of this have to do with what happened in CT?

Why are you only looking to fix what happened in CT?

Gun related deaths are too frequent in everyday life.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

If there was a federal law regulating guns (which the government has the right to do) then federal law would trump state law.

Happens all of the time...marijuana laws anyone?


Anyway, what's the aversion to national registration and tracking?

Govt tracks ownership interest in homes, cars, etc.
Why not guns?

Uh, second amendment. I understand you like a big powerful almighty central government, but they were never intended to be the fedzilla you desire. Remember the federal government as enumerated powers and thats the way it was intended to stay. If you don't like the gun laws where you are then move somewhere else.

[gatorman_07732]

[quote=gator996;6297484]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Why are you only looking to fix what happened in CT?

Gun related deaths are too frequent in everyday life.

We wouldn't even be having the proposed legislation right now if it wasn't for CT so don't fool yourself

[gregthegator]

Originally Posted by gator996

If there was a federal law regulating guns (which the government has the right to do) then federal law would trump state law.

Happens all of the time...marijuana laws anyone?


Anyway, what's the aversion to national registration and tracking?

Govt tracks ownership interest in homes, cars, etc.
Why not guns?

So you AGREE w/this guy 'eh....

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany

Good luck w/that...ain't happening w/me

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by gator996

That private person would have to go to their local police dept and have a background check performed prior to selling the gun or the buyer would have to have a background check performed prior to buying the gun and present the document to the seller who would be required to turn that report in after the sale.

If private gun transactions are generally between 2 law abiding citizens what would be the problem?

Eventual confiscation is the problem.

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

I think the problem is that private sales are barely regulated, if at all. Also an indirect reason why your insurance limits the $ payable on theft claims on firearms (among certain other types of personal property).

Claims for firearms are limited as unscheduled personal property due to the fact that some firearms (fine shotguns for example) can cost $25,000. The rates for Home Owners insurance are not designed to cover that size risk. Firearms can be appraised and scheduled on the policy for a separate premium.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Claims for firearms are limited as unscheduled personal property due to the fact that some firearms (fine shotguns for example) can cost $25,000. The rates for Home Owners insurance are not designed to cover that size risk. Firearms can be appraised and scheduled on the policy for a separate premium.

Guns are covered to full value for other perils (up to personal property limits), like fire. The limits are $2500 for theft, because along with jewelry, guns are commonly stolen in thefts and easily and quickly converted to cash after.

[wargunfan]

Our friends on the left don't like states having the right to set standards on gun sales which differ from their agenda which would severely limit gun ownership. The founding fathers foresaw the danger of intrusive government and thoughtfully added the Second Amendment to the constitution. In 1776 these folks on the left would have been Tories believing that King George should be able to regulate the lives of his subjects in the colonies in any way he chose. To date onerous over regulation of gun ownership has been shot down by the SCOTUS. The proponents of the all seeing, all knowing mother state will never stop trying to regulate guns out of private ownership. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Guns are covered to full value for other perils (up to personal property limits), like fire. The limits are $2500 for theft, because along with jewelry, guns are commonly stolen in thefts and easily and quickly converted to cash after.

Yes indeed, we were discussing theft.

[gator996]

[quote=gatorman_07732;6297609]

Originally Posted by gator996

We wouldn't even be having the proposed legislation right now if it wasn't for CT so don't fool yourself

So what?

Proposed legislation can only address the issue of Sandy Hook?

Personally, focusing on school shooting is foolish.
Far more people are killed outside of school than children in it.

Since Sandy Hook on Dec. 14th to Friday, Jan. 4th...

588 dead from gun deaths...7 were children.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._shooting.html

How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?

Slate partners with @GunDeaths for an interactive, crowdsourced tally of the toll firearms have taken since Dec. 14.

By Chris Kirk and Dan Kois
Posted Friday, Jan. 4, 2013, at 7:00 AM ET

The answer to the simple question in that headline is surprisingly hard to come by. So Slate and the Twitter feed @GunDeaths are collecting data for our crowdsourced interactive. This data is necessarily incomplete. But the more people who are paying attention, the better the data will be.

You can help us draw a more complete picture of gun violence in America. If you know about a gun death in your community that isn’t represented here, please tweet @GunDeaths with a citation.

(If you’re not on Twitter, you can email slatedata@gmail.com.) And if you’d like to use this data yourself for your own projects, it’s open. You can download it here.

[gatorman_07732]

[quote=gator996;6300407]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

So what?

Proposed legislation can only address the issue of Sandy Hook?

Personally, focusing on school shooting is foolish.
Far more people are killed outside of school than children in it.

Since Sandy Hook on Dec. 14th to Friday, Jan. 4th...

588 dead from gun deaths...7 were children.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._shooting.html

How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?

Slate partners with @GunDeaths for an interactive, crowdsourced tally of the toll firearms have taken since Dec. 14.

By Chris Kirk and Dan Kois
Posted Friday, Jan. 4, 2013, at 7:00 AM ET

The answer to the simple question in that headline is surprisingly hard to come by. So Slate and the Twitter feed @GunDeaths are collecting data for our crowdsourced interactive. This data is necessarily incomplete. But the more people who are paying attention, the better the data will be.

You can help us draw a more complete picture of gun violence in America. If you know about a gun death in your community that isn’t represented here, please tweet @GunDeaths with a citation.

(If you’re not on Twitter, you can email slatedata@gmail.com.) And if you’d like to use this data yourself for your own projects, it’s open. You can download it here.

Bottom line is you guys are not to be trusted in any way when it comes to gun control. Registration of all weapons is one step to your ultimate goal which is confiscation
That is the dirty little secret, you know it and I know it Anyone that believes or trusts the leftists on this issue is off their rocker. You won your battles with healthcare and taxation, but you shall be beat back like dogs on this issue.

[wgbgator]

Yup, registration means inevitable confiscation. Its only a matter of time before the government seizes my land and car, merely because its registered with the state. They might seize your wife too, because your marraige is registered with the state too.

[gator996]

Do you hear the black helicopters coming?


I have no "agenda" in the gun debate...I'm not a gun owner...don't intend to be one

But gun deaths are an issue, and like let's say drunk driving I have an opinion about public safety laws.

Here, I don't want to confiscate your gun...I could care less about you owning a gun
But I do want safe ownership of guns...

Gun advocates constantly come back to responsible gun ownership...

The mother in the Sandy Hook case was a gun advocate, taught her kids how to shoot, up until that day a responsible owner....and she was the first killed.

If we track ownership of homes, cars, boats, etc. why not guns?

Is confiscation the goal of any registration?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Yup, registration means inevitable confiscation. Its only a matter of time before the government seizes my land and car, merely because its registered with the state. They might seize your wife too, because your marraige is registered with the state too.

The gov has no business knowing exactly what kind of guns in your house. That is a police state and the ATF has been pushing for this for a long time. Liberals simply have no credibility on this issue and yes I believe most want confiscation regardless of how many times you say no.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

The gov has no business knowing exactly what kind of guns in your house. That is a police state and the ATF has been pushing for this for a long time. Liberals simply have no credibility on this issue and yes I believe most want confiscation regardless of how many times you say no.

So, basically you think that I and every liberal saying they favor gun ownership rights but reasonable controls are not only lacking in credibility, but flat-out lying to you.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

So, basically you think that I and every liberal saying they favor gun ownership rights but reasonable controls are not only lacking in credibility, but flat-out lying to you.

Pretty much because all the legislation you proposed and if passed will to squat and will never be good enough. The ultimate outcome will be confiscation.