Did Anyone Watch The Vikings QB Last Night?

[mac4lyfe]

I am a huge Tebow supporter but the criticism of Tebow that I have seen has absolutely nothing to do with his faith. It has everything to do with him getting so much press while playing very poorly. He's polarizing because while some teammates love his passion, others just want to be able to catch the football.

He was incredible in college and no one can deny his greatness there. But in the NFL, the QB has to throw the ball effectively, go through progressions, understand blitz packages, etc. Tebow is a long way from being there. I am totally convinced that you must have an elite QB in order to win in the NFL. If I'm running a franchise, my number 1 priority is to get a franchise QB. I'd exhaust draft picks, cash, what have you to that end. At this point, Tebow is not a franchise QB. Can he ever become one? Maybe, but I would not hitch my wagon to him unless I was going to run an offense like UF did which has not been proven thus far. Even then, I could probably find someone else to run it better (Vick, Vince Young, Terrelle Pryor)

Originally Posted by og8trz

The harsh criticism of Tim is because of his overt Christianity. The lefties in the media don't want to attack his faith so they bash his mechanics.

Ray Lewis may well have killed, or been an accomplice to the killing of two guys, but he is being celebrated as a hero.

[Nubla]

I root for Timmy because he's so bad you can't help but cheer him on when he succeeds

[LeafUF]

Originally Posted by mac4lyfe

I thought it was a great move by the Vikings front office. Starting Webb was a win/win for the team. Ponder wasn't going to win this game so why put him out there to fail. Start Webb and if he plays well (he had a few good scrambles but they went away from the run too early) then great and if he looks horrible, which he did, it builds the hopes of Viking fans on what could have been. Viking fans are lining up to buy tix for next year because they all now think Ponder is an incredible talent next to Webb.

The facts of football are that there are only a few people on the planet that can actually play the position at a high level. I'm talking can read defenses, knows line protections, go through progressions and throw the ball accurately. 6 or 7 guys in total. That's it.

I dont think it was any genius move, it was just an injured player that could not go at an effective level. Ponder was unable to extend his arm and couldnt have been very effective throwing the ball, so you go with Webb and hope that his style of game causes some problems for the defense. It didnt work and the Vikings were heavy dogs in this one to begin with.

I doubt many Vikings fans are lining up to buy tix based on Ponder being better than Joe Webb. The conversations I had with Vikings fans throughout the season have all been about finding a QB because Ponder just doesnt look like the guy. AD is being wasted in his best years by the lack of talent around him on offense.

[gtr2x]

Originally Posted by og8trz

The harsh criticism of Tim is because of his overt Christianity. The lefties in the media don't want to attack his faith so they bash his mechanics.

Ray Lewis may well have killed, or been an accomplice to the killing of two guys, but he is being celebrated as a hero.

So then ray lewis is celebrated by the NFL because the lefties love him?

ESPN built up tebow as a super hero and once he achieved a certain level, the naysayers started tearing him down. Happens all the time. Has little to do with religion, or politics, more like ratings.

[whitelakegator]

Originally Posted by 99gator

to play devil's advocate, webb looking horrible doesn't mean that a team should go out and make tebow their starter and build their franchise around him.

what it does mean.....is that anyone who doesn't think tebow is good enough to be on a roster (and there are some with that belief) and that he has no business being in the league are full of ****.

tebow is definitely worthy of being on a roster and from what i have seen is better than a vast majority of backup qb's. there is no question in my mind that tebow is capable of playing and helping a team win (because we have proof of that). having seen a number of backup qb's this year, most of them can't.

so, yeah, i think it makes sense for a team to have him on the roster whether he is a future starter or not.

Well don't Tebow's stats put him in the mid 30's as a passer in the NFL(last year)?

Sounds like at least second string to me.

[jareduf]

Originally Posted by gatorfansrule

If Tebow had the lack of media coverage and lack of a sideshow (not Tim's fault) that Webb has, he'd have no problem being picked up by any number of teams in the NFL as at least a backup, if not a starter. A team can't just pick up Tebow and then just have a normal QB competition. They have all the media coverage, the teammates become split with some believing in Tim and the others getting angry and jealous about the amount of coverage he gets, etc. It's just too much for many team to put up with, especially if he's going to be their backup QB. I have no doubt that Tim could start in this league, but I'm starting to believe that the media hype, fan hype, and other sideshow things are going to keep him from getting the chances that other QBs get.

Great post. I agree unfortunately for Tim.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by whitelakegator

Well don't Tebow's stats put him in the mid 30's as a passer in the NFL(last year)?

Sounds like at least second string to me.

Looked it up...he was 28th for the regular season. Ahead of several starter.

You also have to take into account that his effectiveness as a runner makes him more offensively efficient.

Blaine Gabbert was 32nd in 2011.

[wygator]

Both Dalton and Webb has forgetable performances but I didn't hear anyone suggesting it is a travesty they are in the league.

Tebow has more playoff victories than both of them.

[tommyuf21]

Tim is not the first high profile athlete to openly discuss his faith. I don't remember Kurt Warner being denied a starting job because of his religious beliefs.

I don't buy this great leftist conspiracy against Christian athletes and I bet they don't believe it either.

[vk3000gt]

Have you seen Ponder play this season?.. If AP wasnt on the team, this would be a sub .500 team. Actually, Tim would be a good fit on that team with AP, Harvin.. I would like to say they'd be the #1 rushing team... Lets see how the Jags use Tim with MJD...

[GatorLaw]

Originally Posted by ovillegator

You are probably right. But what true Gator fan wants Tebow playing behind Ponder? Something just downright wrong with that!

Agreed. But a true Gator thinks that Tebow wouldn't be playing behind Ponder for long.

[LeafUF]

Originally Posted by vk3000gt

Have you seen Ponder play this season?.. If AP wasnt on the team, this would be a sub .500 team. Actually, Tim would be a good fit on that team with AP, Harvin.. I would like to say they'd be the #1 rushing team... Lets see how the Jags use Tim with MJD...

The Vikings need someone who is a threat to pass the ball so that AD doesn't have to run against a stacked box all the time. Tebow wont do that and as we saw last night even running the read option with a mobile QB only really gave the running game a slight benefit early before the Packers realized there was no passing threat. Ponder or whomever they have at starter next year needs to step up along with the receivers.

[gatorfansrule]

Originally Posted by LeafUF

The Vikings need someone who is a threat to pass the ball so that AD doesn't have to run against a stacked box all the time. Tebow wont do that and as we saw last night even running the read option with a mobile QB only really gave the running game a slight benefit early before the Packers realized there was no passing threat. Ponder or whomever they have at starter next year needs to step up along with the receivers.

I'm not buying that. Denver was by far the #1 rushing team in the league last year when Tebow was the QB. McGahee didn't have much problem rushing against the stacked boxes and he's half the running back AP is. The Vikings would be deadly with Tim, AP, and Percy all on the same team. The ball could be run incredibly effectively in so many different ways with those 3 guys. Also, if opponents use a linebacker to spy Tebow on passing plays it will open up things for all the receivers, TE's, and running backs out of the backfield.

[LeafUF]

Originally Posted by gatorfansrule

I'm not buying that. Denver was by far the #1 rushing team in the league last year when Tebow was the QB. McGahee didn't have much problem rushing against the stacked boxes and he's half the running back AP is. The Vikings would be deadly with Tim, AP, and Percy all on the same team. The ball could be run incredibly effectively in so many different ways with those 3 guys. Also, if opponents use a linebacker to spy Tebow on passing plays it will open up things for all the receivers, TE's, and running backs out of the backfield.

They might have been 1st in rushing but they were also 31st in passing. They were rushing for 20 yards better per game than the Vikings in 2011 and the same as they rushed this year. You really think adding Tebow would make the Vikings a deadly offense next year? Because the Broncos were 23rd total offense. The Vikings were 20th this year with about the same rushing yards/gm that Tebows Broncos got the previous year.

I just dont think Tebow steps in the door and makes them significantly better. I mean I would rather have him than Ponder but Id rather have about another dozen QBs more than both.

[mac4lyfe]

Denver/Tebow had the benefit of going up against some offensively challenged teams and teams battling a bunch of injuries. I loved the Pittsburgh win but that team was a mash unit.

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator

If this turns out to be true, it has happened before, with Flutie. He went to Canada to prove his worth, Tim may have to do the same. He needs to play

Ryan is toast and he knows it.
When Tebow became a Jet Rex Ryan answered to the Jets GM who answered to the owner.
Ryan blames the Tebow circus for the team's failure this year. That blame by Ryan was nothing but a dodge or denial of Ryan's lack of coaching ability to handle the Tebow circus. Ryan should of sake Denver coach John Fox how he handled the Tebow circus. When it became clear that Orton was a bust, Fox sent him packing and started Tebow. Fox hung in there with Tebow and the ended up in the playoffs with one playoff victory.

I am not saying that Tebow would of lead the Jets to a playoff but it would of answered the question if Tebow can play in the NFL.

At this time the Jets are looking for a new GM. When the new GM comes in the first thing he will do is flush all the toilets at the Jets training facility to get rid of that big stinking Ryan turd.

[Socom1]

All this discussion is BS. Bottom line he is an outspoken conservative
Christian amongst a bunch of not so righteous NFL players. Stop political correctness BS and call it what it is. He has made more money in endorsements because of his values and the league the Union and a lot of his teammates and the league don't like it. Nothing to do with his play because he has not been given a chance to fail or succeed for long term.

[vk3000gt]

Originally Posted by gatorfansrule

I'm not buying that. Denver was by far the #1 rushing team in the league last year when Tebow was the QB. McGahee didn't have much problem rushing against the stacked boxes and he's half the running back AP is. The Vikings would be deadly with Tim, AP, and Percy all on the same team. The ball could be run incredibly effectively in so many different ways with those 3 guys. Also, if opponents use a linebacker to spy Tebow on passing plays it will open up things for all the receivers, TE's, and running backs out of the backfield.

Stacking the box could open up long passing plays... and I hear, Tebow throws a good long ball.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by Socom1

All this discussion is BS. Bottom line he is an outspoken conservativeChristian amongst a bunch of not so righteous NFL players. Stop political correctness BS and call it what it is. He has made more money in endorsements because of his values and the league the Union and a lot of his teammates and the league don't like it. Nothing to do with his play because he has not been given a chance to fail or succeed for long term.

You make it sound like Tim is Sean Hannity and a right wing crusader. I don't see Tebow trying to destroy the NFLPA or force anyone to do anything they disagree with. Quite frankly, you might be suprised at how many Christian men play in the NFL. I see many a lot of tweets and mentions of God and family from NFL players.

I don't think Tebow is disliked because he is religious. I think some people are jealous of those who are hyped and Tebow's incredible college career made him a hyped player. You don't do what he did in college and come to the NFL as some ignored player.

Tim hasn't had the chance to develop properly because of the teams that he has played for and the quality (or lack of it) of the coaching he has received. Please someone tell me what qualifications Tony Sparano has to be an offensive coordinator at this level. The guy is a meathead crony of Bill Parcells and is barely qualified to be an offensive line coach. The fact that Ryan hired him calls his competence into question as well.

[ACCecil]

I wonder what Chip Kelly thinks of Tebow as a QB? Kelly has the chance to be an NFL head coach because apparently the NFL is ga-ga over Kelly's offense in Duck-Land which uses a running QB ..... so I can't help but wonder what CK thinks of TT.

That Karpernick dude in SF sure as heck can run.