Passing Game

[gator07]

Originally Posted by Tolbert1906

the florida o-line performed well-enough to win the game. but there were some gaffes as well, including two false start penalties on a potential td drive.

But there are always gaffes, every game. We had 2 penalties (I think a formation/procedure then a false start) turn a TD drive into a FG. We literally cannot even line up correctly. Imagine our team trying to run Oregon's offense, it would be hilarious. They are executing at a lightning quick pace and almost NEVER commit these mental mistakes.

Its amazing to think that Oregon and Florida are comparable in just about everything - quality/quantity of athletes, coaching salaries, quantity of practice hours with the team, resources, etc, yet they can get such vastly superior results with regards to running an offense. They are doing calculus at 100 MPH and we struggle with addition while standing still.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by gator07

But there are always gaffes, every game. We had 2 penalties (I think a formation/procedure then a false start) turn a TD drive into a FG. We literally cannot even line up correctly. Imagine our team trying to run Oregon's offense, it would be hilarious. They are executing at a lightning quick pace and almost NEVER commit these mental mistakes.

Its amazing to think that Oregon and Florida are comparable in just about everything - quality/quantity of athletes, coaching salaries, quantity of practice hours with the team, resources, etc, yet they can get such vastly superior results with regards to running an offense. They are doing calculus at 100 MPH and we struggle with addition while standing still.

Yeah, but Oregon's offense doesn't count, its gimmicky and not real man football and other assorted cliches that make no sense and/or quit being true a quarter century ago. Seriously, though of course Oregon's offense is better, they try and score points the purpose of our offense is to not lose the game and take time off the clock- if we scored 10 points a game and never turned the ball over that would be Boom's dream offense.

[SailinGator]

Originally Posted by mac4lyfe

My take is that it is ALL on the QB in the system you run. Brantley was not made for the spread and Driskel is not made for the pro set. We have been trying to force a round peg into a square hole and it doesn't work. I look at Driskel and he has zero pocket presence/awareness. None, zilch, nada. So why is he dropping back in the pocket to pass the ball? I also don't think he has a high football IQ. He doesn't seem aware of his surroundings and what's going on in the game. Teams know they can stack the box and force him to make throws and he can't do it. The only way he can beat you is with his legs.

If Driskel is our guy (I don't think his IQ will get better), we need to go to a spread attack. He needs to not have to think and just react in order to make plays. He should not have to go through progressions. He can't handle it. Make one read then run. That's his best chance for success.

Can't stand to agree with the Driskel criticisms, but have to - it is spot on. I have not seen much, if any improvement in him this year. He made the same mistakes against UL as he did against aTm. He was a standout HS player because of his ability to scramble and make big plays with his legs, NOT because of his pocket presence. He is a very accurate passer with a big arm, but that doesn't mean much at this level if you can't put together a complete game.

The OL deserves some blame too, but much of this is QB play. You don't have to look around much in the NCAA to see great QB play - Manziel, Bridgewater, Smith, Jones, Murray, and on and on. Why we struggle so much is baffling.

[klgator]

Originally Posted by gator07

We're now going on year FIVE of not having a fluid/aggressive/dynamic/dangerous/potent passing attack. Pretty depressing. There are kindergartners that have never seen Florida throw the ball effectively.

You nailed it! If it persists again next year, you really have to start wondering about the coaching staff. I remember Charlie Pell's turnaround from 0-10-1 in 1979 to what, 8-4? in 1980 with an offense that could MOVE the ball and score. NO EXCUSES next year.

[IH8REFS]

Originally Posted by int1974

So is it the WR's, or the routes we run. I did see WR's open and the ball not thrown, but most times they were covered.
Did we run a slant all year? Crossing routes, do we use them at all?

Not down on the team, just wondering why the cards have WR's open almost every snap, and we can't get open but once a blue moon.

If it is the QB does he have the ability to ever be the man, or is this the best he has to offer?

Because Teddy Bridgewater.

[red4512]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gator07
We're now going on year FIVE of not having a fluid/aggressive/dynamic/dangerous/potent passing attack. Pretty depressing. There are kindergartners that have never seen Florida throw the ball effectively.

Originally Posted by klgator

You nailed it! If it persists again next year, you really have to start wondering about the coaching staff. I remember Charlie Pell's turnaround from 0-10-1 in 1979 to what, 8-4? in 1980 with an offense that could MOVE the ball and score. NO EXCUSES next year.

5 years also coincides with the time the current seniors on the OLine started, that still have that predictable 1/2 stance on every passing play.

[number1]

Originally Posted by SailinGator

Can't stand to agree with the Driskel criticisms, but have to - it is spot on. I have not seen much, if any improvement in him this year. He made the same mistakes against UL as he did against aTm. He was a standout HS player because of his ability to scramble and make big plays with his legs, NOT because of his pocket presence. He is a very accurate passer with a big arm, but that doesn't mean much at this level if you can't put together a complete game.

The OL deserves some blame too, but much of this is QB play. You don't have to look around much in the NCAA to see great QB play - Manziel, Bridgewater, Smith, Jones, Murray, and on and on. Why we struggle so much is baffling.

Don't forget about Boyd who was getting blasted by LSU all night.

[KronoGator]

Originally Posted by klgator

You nailed it! If it persists again next year, you really have to start wondering about the coaching staff. I remember Charlie Pell's turnaround from 0-10-1 in 1979 to what, 8-4? in 1980 with an offense that could MOVE the ball and score. NO EXCUSES next year.

Pell dumped half his coaching staff after year 1, it was produce or you were out.

[njgator11]

Originally Posted by mac4lyfe

My take is that it is ALL on the QB in the system you run. Brantley was not made for the spread and Driskel is not made for the pro set. We have been trying to force a round peg into a square hole and it doesn't work. I look at Driskel and he has zero pocket presence/awareness. None, zilch, nada. So why is he dropping back in the pocket to pass the ball? I also don't think he has a high football IQ. He doesn't seem aware of his surroundings and what's going on in the game. Teams know they can stack the box and force him to make throws and he can't do it. The only way he can beat you is with his legs.

If Driskel is our guy (I don't think his IQ will get better), we need to go to a spread attack. He needs to not have to think and just react in order to make plays. He should not have to go through progressions. He can't handle it. Make one read then run. That's his best chance for success.

This is right on the money and most on this site are in denial. They generally blame receivers or the O-line and struggle to see the obvious. I'm not suggesting we had the best wr's or O-line but there is a direct link between the qb play and the play of the other parts of our offense. if a qb stares down the recivers, the db's know where the ball is going and have the ability to close on the ball and the reciver quickly. if you watched the Sugar Bowl, whenever our recievers caught the ball there was a db and safety right on top of them. The safeties had plenty of time to read JD and get right to the receiver as he was catching the ball. As far as the O-line is concerned, when you have a qb that can't read a defense, can't see where the rush is coming from, stands totally still in the pocket (not stepping up) and holds the ball for extended periods of time, no O-line would look good. The reality is JD has all the physical gifts, but has an extremly low football IQ and little football instincts. He evern struggles deciding when to take off or scramble vs pass. I truly don't think these issues can be taught and when I read over and over again that he is young, just look a Manziel, Bridgewater, etc. the difference is stark and they are the same age.
Think about this...why did Charlie Weiss pick Brissett over Driskell? The word last year was that Brissett studied the playbook harder, but maybe it was that Charlie recognized that JD struggled in his football IQ and was not ready to play on this level. great qb's have the IQ and the game really slows down for them, watch Manziel tonight who has less experience than Driskel, he has great IQ and feel and the game is in slow motion for him. Becasue of the lack of football instincts, the game is moving too fast for JD and thus he has to make up his mind on what he wants to do before he runs the play.

[RealGatorFan]

Originally Posted by gator07

We're now going on year FIVE of not having a fluid/aggressive/dynamic/dangerous/potent passing attack. Pretty depressing. There are kindergartners that have never seen Florida throw the ball effectively.

^^This. Things went downhill right Mullen left after 07. I thought once we got rid of an OL coach at OC things couldn't get worse. I was horribly wrong.

[GatorByte]

Originally Posted by njgator11

This is right on the money and most on this site are in denial. They generally blame receivers or the O-line and struggle to see the obvious. I'm not suggesting we had the best wr's or O-line but there is a direct link between the qb play and the play of the other parts of our offense. if a qb stares down the recivers, the db's know where the ball is going and have the ability to close on the ball and the reciver quickly. if you watched the Sugar Bowl, whenever our recievers caught the ball there was a db and safety right on top of them. The safeties had plenty of time to read JD and get right to the receiver as he was catching the ball. As far as the O-line is concerned, when you have a qb that can't read a defense, can't see where the rush is coming from, stands totally still in the pocket (not stepping up) and holds the ball for extended periods of time, no O-line would look good. The reality is JD has all the physical gifts, but has an extremly low football IQ and little football instincts. He evern struggles deciding when to take off or scramble vs pass. I truly don't think these issues can be taught and when I read over and over again that he is young, just look a Manziel, Bridgewater, etc. the difference is stark and they are the same age.
Think about this...why did Charlie Weiss pick Brissett over Driskell? The word last year was that Brissett studied the playbook harder, but maybe it was that Charlie recognized that JD struggled in his football IQ and was not ready to play on this level. great qb's have the IQ and the game really slows down for them, watch Manziel tonight who has less experience than Driskel, he has great IQ and feel and the game is in slow motion for him. Becasue of the lack of football instincts, the game is moving too fast for JD and thus he has to make up his mind on what he wants to do before he runs the play.

Pretty much this exactly. How others can not see this is pretty stunning.

Coaching can't teach everything. If Driskel doesn't put in the time to learn managing the offense better and develop better awareness with age, we are in trouble. Mainly because it is a strong possibilty the coaches will go with him on raw talent whether he improves or not.

The other pieces will soon be in place. Imo it is on Driskel and how the coaches handle him as to whether or not we win anything of significance the next couple years. I think Boom better invest himself pretty heavily in a close relationship with Jeff, and mainly for his own sake.

[Swampmaster]

running QB, who hasn't learned coverages + mediocre Oline + no good WRs = mediocre passing game

[number1]

Originally Posted by GatorByte

Pretty much this exactly. How others can not see this is pretty stunning.

Coaching can't teach everything. If Driskel doesn't put in the time to learn managing the offense better and develop better awareness with age, we are in trouble. Mainly because it is a strong possibilty the coaches will go with him on raw talent whether he improves or not.
The other pieces will soon be in place. Imo it is on Driskel and how the coaches handle him as to whether or not we win anything of significance the next couple years. I think Boom better invest himself pretty heavily in a close relationship with Jeff, and mainly for his own sake.

I don't understand why people think that. I mean seriously, if we have a better option at QB why would you stick with him?

[GatorByte]

I don't think Driskel is bad, but we are gonna find out as soon as 9/7 with Miami if he has improved at all. Their D sucked this past year, but they will bring it at home. I pray we see some audibles from him this Spring.

Personally, I'm not sure Jacoby is the future answer either. I'd like to see what Mornhinweg and Staver have. Who the hell cares how many stars they have?

Give me a guy that looks up and down the line and immediately begins scanning the D the minute the huddle breaks. A guy that has reasonable arm strengh, and is always ready for his second and third reads... then delivers. Someone that feels pressure and gets rid of the football... you get the idea.

[gtr2x]

Originally Posted by int1974

I don't understand us going to the wildcat with burton when Jeff seems to be the better runner and might even throw it, so why do we make that switch just to have Burton run??

Also as an OC i would run 6-8 screens every game, to at least let them worry about blitzing us every down.The few we ran did well most of the time.

Well I have been trying to figure out the logic of having Burton run the wildcat all year. If Brissett was the qb, the changeup might make sense, but in this case it just removes one option for the defense to worry about. Nothing against Trey at all either.

As for the screens, agree to some extent, but throwing screens takes touch as does throwing fades. Think we have work to do in those areas.

[Swampmaster]

Brissett has struggled most of the times he's been in games---he's not the answer

[GatorByte]

One more simple point... this was supposed to be the year we figured out and cemented the future at the QB position. Everyone was posting about this before the season started.

The coaches appear to believe this has been accomplished. Can you say that you agree?

[RealGatorFan]

They went down to the last minute before they went with Driskel so I think Brissett was looked at very hard. That's also saying he wasn't much better at running the offense. What about Murphy...I thought he was improving a ton last Spring.

[gtr2x]

Originally Posted by Swampmaster

brissett has struggled most of the times he's been in games---he's not the answer

Not looking to add to a qb controversy, but Considering how much he has played this year that is hardly a fair statement. Last time he played, he looked just fine.

[gator07]

Originally Posted by gtr2x

Not looking to add to a qb controversy, but Considering how much he has played this year that is hardly a fair statement. Last time he played, he looked just fine.

He looked just fine against Jax St where our offense scored 1 TD?




ONE!