Will Muschamp: "We got outcoached and outplayed"

[LimeyGator]

Originally Posted by Swampmaster

brilliant insight by will muschamp

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or a genuine criticism.

Either way, he's right. Why mince your words? We just got hammered - if this had been Urban giving us an extensive list of faux-reasoning for a defeat there'd have been an uproar about how the guy couldn't just be honest.

Coach Muschamp is right - why insult our intelligence by trying to state otherwise?

[DuPontGator]

Hit Champ with 2 points. That was a infraction.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by Minister_of_Information

Again... the D barely slowed them down all night. How is that the offense's fault?

At the end of the game the D didn't give up that many yards or that many points, and that includes turnovers starting on our 2 yard line and 20 yard line (onside kick). 33 points when the O/ST gift wrapped 21 is not terrible.

Not a great game, not a good game, but not a bad game by our defense. Perfectly average, especially given the strength of Bridgewater.

If we had a competent O we would have won the game.

Relative to major college ball, the O was terrible and the D was average. We are just used to a mediocre O and a great D so the perception is the D is at fault. I just find it odd to blame the D when they didn't play poorly.

Besides its never accurate that 100% of the blame goes to one player or unit. I'd say its like 65% offense, 30% defense, 5% special teams. The onsides kick was a far bigger factor than the 5%, but you have to balance in a blocked FG, fake "FG" for a TD, and a return for a TD.

[DuPontGator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Thank you.

For those who are 110% sold on this coach, listen to what he said: Outcoached and outplayed. Period.

It was total team fail last night and frankly it didn't totally shock me. A number of those vaunted 11 wins this year felt like flukes. Leaving the stadium after that Missouri game I was looking around nervously like a shoplifter leaving a store with a stolen victory stuffed under my shirt. I appreciated the wins but this never felt like a championship-caliber team to me. Smoke and mirrors.

Yes, the defense came up big in the second half a lot, especially in the 4th quarter. But umm...why was it necessary for them to come up big in the 4th quarter so often? "Comeback teams" can be fun to watch but they rarely win championships. Those usually go to 4-quarter domination teams.

It's funny to look at some of the threads with people who seem to be trying to avoid facing the big picture. Worried about players celebrating too much after big plays when the team is losing? There's a thread for that. Didn't like the uniforms? There's a thread for that. The sideline infraction penalty? Thread for that. Kent Taylor (who? lol) burned his redshirt? Sure.

The big picture isn't pretty. The team played really, really poorly and as bad as their execution was, the gameplan they were supposed to be executing was even worse. All things considered in retrospect, I'm about as pumped about this 11-win season as I was about that win over Missouri. What should feel encouraging (after a 7-6 season) does not feel encouraging.

Great post!

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by Row6

Except early, when the D was still fresh, there weren't many 3 and outs. OTH we didn't see Louisville's punter until the game was over.

The D bent but didn't break. I'm not sure what planet we are on that we somehow think a defense was super bad when the team gave up 33 and the offense/ST gave up at minimum 17 of those points (given an average D).

Our standard is WAY too high for the D and WAY too low for the O. It's like we expect shutouts every game, and we actually think our O was good vs LSU. Totally perverse and a warped sense of reality

[gators04]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

yep

Bridgewater is a real quarterback and had really good receivers. We had no answer for him. Give him credit for his talent. I know we played bad, but he make us look bad. For whatever reason, we didn't come to play. Lots to work on for next year. 11-2 ain't bad!!

[Billygator76]

it seems that the OL didn't perform up to average standards; Driskel was running for his life most of the time he dropped back; why were their receivers open across the middle all night? this was one of those games that after the 1st play and after we didn't move it on our second drive you just felt like, uh-oh, this isn't looking good, and sure enough it was one of those dreaded nights were we just were the second best team on the field; glad attendance was the lowest in 70 years; that's what the BCS gets putting second tier teams in the only playoff system we have for 2012. The dog just gets an unfair advantage in building excitement and basic motivation. grrrr.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by Billygator76

it seems that the OL didn't perform up to average standards; Driskel was running for his life most of the time he dropped back; why were their receivers open across the middle all night? this was one of those games that after the 1st play and after we didn't move it on our second drive you just felt like, uh-oh, this isn't looking good, and sure enough it was one of those dreaded nights were we just were the second best team on the field; glad attendance was the lowest in 70 years; that's what the BCS gets putting second tier teams in the only playoff system we have for 2012. The dog just gets an unfair advantage in building excitement and basic motivation. grrrr.

Honestly everything you mentioned comes down to QB play. We had open men, Jeff didn't find them. Jeff is worried about tight windows as well. Go look at Bridgewater's first third down conversation, incredibly tight window but the guy was "open". We just can't make those throws. And we did put major pressure on Bridgewater as well. He just skirted the rush, stepped up, moved the pocket, etc, overall great pocket awareness. We didn't have that.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by number1

Won't matter if our O-line can't pass protect, and our QB can't feel pressure, make accurate throws, or read defenses.

I'm worried that the pressure thing is innate-- its an instinct you either have or you don't- Jeff has all the physical tools you'd ever want in a QB, its just like he's missing that something extra that lets a QB know when to slide over or step up in the pocket, when to put something extra on a pass and when to use touch, etc- on paper he's the best QB we've ever had (even better than say Cam physical since he has a stronger arm) but you don't just add up the parts and have it equal awesome QB. My fear I guess is that what he lacks may not be teachable.

[gatorchamp27]

Muschamp said it right we got out coached fasho. He laid an egg and Charlie stole the show. However, more disappointing was the virtual no show by Gatornation. you couldnt give those tickets away.

[gatorchamp27]

Originally Posted by oragator1

Analyzing/over analyzing gives a perceived sense of control over something we all care about but in reality have zero control over.

Shut up

[gatorchamp27]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Thank you.

For those who are 110% sold on this coach, listen to what he said: Outcoached and outplayed. Period.

It was total team fail last night and frankly it didn't totally shock me. A number of those vaunted 11 wins this year felt like flukes. Leaving the stadium after that Missouri game I was looking around nervously like a shoplifter leaving a store with a stolen victory stuffed under my shirt. I appreciated the wins but this never felt like a championship-caliber team to me. Smoke and mirrors.

Yes, the defense came up big in the second half a lot, especially in the 4th quarter. But umm...why was it necessary for them to come up big in the 4th quarter so often? "Comeback teams" can be fun to watch but they rarely win championships. Those usually go to 4-quarter domination teams.

It's funny to look at some of the threads with people who seem to be trying to avoid facing the big picture. Worried about players celebrating too much after big plays when the team is losing? There's a thread for that. Didn't like the uniforms? There's a thread for that. The sideline infraction penalty? Thread for that. Kent Taylor (who? lol) burned his redshirt? Sure.

The big picture isn't pretty. The team played really, really poorly and as bad as their execution was, the gameplan they were supposed to be executing was even worse. All things considered in retrospect, I'm about as pumped about this 11-win season as I was about that win over Missouri. What should feel encouraging (after a 7-6 season) does not feel encouraging.

Sounds about right to me. What worries me is this all the players we leaned on for this 11 win season will be gone next year. So now I am very anxious to see who will step up and fill in here at Gatornation. I like some of the pieces but offensively we have got to figure it out. Defense should be "ok"

[GatorSean]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

The D bent but didn't break. I'm not sure what planet we are on that we somehow think a defense was super bad when the team gave up 33 and the offense/ST gave up at minimum 17 of those points (given an average D).

Our standard is WAY too high for the D and WAY too low for the O. It's like we expect shutouts every game, and we actually think our O was good vs LSU. Totally perverse and a warped sense of reality

The D didn't break?

Louisville's FIRST offensive drive went 12 plays for 83 yards, took 6+ minutes and resulted in a TD. That is BREAKING, not bending.

Louisville SECOND offensive drive went 12 plays for 66 yards took 6+ minutes and resulted in a FG. Better than a touch down, but they still had a long drive that resulted in a score. That's not 'bending'.

Louisville THIRD offensive drive went 8 plays for 54 yards took 4 minutes and resulted in another TD. Again, that's BREAKING.

We didn't force a punt until half way through the 4th Quarter. Yes, that is REALLY BAD defense. I don't think our standards are too high if we think the defense should force at least a couple of punts per half.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Our defense played very poorly last night. I'm not sure how anyone could deny that.

Did the offense out-stink them? Yes, they did. But both sides still stunk. The only thing we did well was stopping the run. That's it. If they weren't running, we didn't get pressure, we gave the receivers tons of room, missed tackles ...

It wasn't a good game for anyone but the Cardinals.

[ApexNC]

Originally Posted by Gatorphenom

He apologized to many fans there and also in the presser. Said he will do everything within his power to make sure this never happens again.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the problem never has and never will be with Will Muschamp

Something is fundamentally being taught wrong on the offensive side of the ball and it has become epidemic, spreading bad vibes throughout the entire team. I wish I could point to one thing, and honestly I used to think it was on Pease, but that is false, it's just a combination of things which is impossible to blame on one unit. From what I could see out there tonight this O has got a little over 8 months to: gel, teach Jeff how to read defenses and make audibles so the game will slow down, and find a dominate threat on the outside at the WR position. If this teams wants a sniff at Atlanta next year, they will have to depend on the offense for some games as the defense will be young in the secondary.

In any case, God Bless and Go Gators.

I don't understand. The title of the thread quotes Muschamp saying "We got outcoached and outplayed." How can you say the problem never has and never will be with the coach when he admitted himself that he got out coached? I'm not in the fire Muschamp camp, but come on....he has to take at least some of the blame, doesn't he?

[gatorman_07732]

Conclusion: We did not want to be there last night. Nothing more, nothing less

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I have no idea whether we wanted to be there or not. Even if that were the case, you'd think once you started getting your face kicked in the lights would come on. The problem was Louisville was a better team and there wasn't much that was going to change that.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

The D didn't break?

Louisville's FIRST offensive drive went 12 plays for 83 yards, took 6+ minutes and resulted in a TD. That is BREAKING, not bending.

Louisville SECOND offensive drive went 12 plays for 66 yards took 6+ minutes and resulted in a FG. Better than a touch down, but they still had a long drive that resulted in a score. That's not 'bending'.

Louisville THIRD offensive drive went 8 plays for 54 yards took 4 minutes and resulted in another TD. Again, that's BREAKING.

We didn't force a punt until half way through the 4th Quarter. Yes, that is REALLY BAD defense. I don't think our standards are too high if we think the defense should force at least a couple of punts per half.

And what else did they give up? Again I think you have a warped sense of what a bad defense is.

Sure the lack of punts were a major bad mark. But personally I think yards and points are a better barometer than punts. And we did okay, if not fine, on both of those fronts.

We did significantly better on defense than both USC and Georgia for example. The difference is that those teams have offenses.

[LimeyGator]

Originally Posted by ApexNC

I don't understand. The title of the thread quotes Muschamp saying "We got outcoached and outplayed." How can you say the problem never has and never will be with the coach when he admitted himself that he got out coached? I'm not in the fire Muschamp camp, but come on....he has to take at least some of the blame, doesn't he?

I'm typically not in the band for apportioning blame anywhere, but good leaders always shoulder at least some of the blame themselves when things go wrong for those they represent. I think Muschamp is on that bandwagon of belief and would do the same thing time and again, even if he didn't deserve any criticism.

The team failed to play though yesterday and as he rightly says, that has to be on him and his staff to a certain extent.

I think he's pretty honest, overall. I like it.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I have no idea whether we wanted to be there or not. Even if that were the case, you'd think once you started getting your face kicked in the lights would come on. The problem was Louisville was a better team and there wasn't much that was going to change that.

Well when you have players openly declaring for the draft directly after the game it kinda says something. I was concerned as soon as the bowl selection was done.