Over a dozen years, the best I can come up with as the definition of "neocon" is "political epithet loosely applied to anyone I disagree with other than total pacifists, that people take seriously, because, after all, it uses a prefix so whomever came up with it must know what they are talking about, and sounds kinda like the bad Transformers, so they must be bad".
Who? China? China is a paper tiger. It will collapse from within. All that repression of its citizenry will be its downfall. The people will rise up and demand respect, food, freedom and demand less military spending.
you sure about that.....china has over a billion people... china has long been under oppressive communist rule.....vietnam was fought....the soviet union collapsed....the berlin wall fell...the olympics were held there...when do you expect this revolution
besides if it is not china it will be someone else, perhaps russia
but anyone that has gone nuclear has the possibility of the being that power, do you want to find out the hard way who it will be?
you sure about that.....china has over a billion people... china has long been under oppressive communist rule.....vietnam was fought....the soviet union collapsed....the berlin wall fell...the olympics were held there...when do you expect this revolution
besides if it is not china it will be someone else, perhaps russia
but anyone that has gone nuclear has the possibility of the being that power, do you want to find out the hard way who it will be?
Not to mention all the unmarried males with no available females that are gonna take that aggression out somewhere.
China will collapse under its demographic shortcomings, just like most of Europe will. One Child was a vote for eventual self-extinction.
There are at least one hundred million young Chinese men who will not be able to marry because of the One Child policy. That many frustrated men with no family future would be a danger to any regime.
I dont want to sound like an idiot but can someone give me an actual definition of what a "neocon" is?
LOL, glad I wasn't alone. Just looked it up before reading your post.
Conservapedia definition:
neoconservative (also spelled "neo-conservative"; colloquially, neocon) in American politics can appear to be conservative while in fact favoring big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government. Many neocons had been liberals in their youth and admired President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The movement emerged in the mid 1970s, played a limited role in the Ronald Reagan Administration, and then dominated the George W. Bush Administration after 2001. Neoconservatives are often preferred by liberals to portray the conservative voice in the media, as in television talk shows, newspaper columnists, magazines, think tanks, and advisory positions in Republican Administrations.
In contrast to traditional conservatives, neoconservatives favor globalism, downplay religious issues, [and] are unlikely to actively oppose abortion and homosexuality. Neocons disagree with paleoconservatives on issues such as classroom prayer, the separation of powers, cultural unity, and immigration. Neocons favor a strong active state in world affairs. Neocons oppose affirmative action with greater emphasis and priority than other conservatives do.
On foreign policy, neoconservatives believe that democracy can and should be installed by the United States around the world, even in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.
A more in depth definition:
Neoconservatism is a somewhat controversial term referring to the political goals and ideology of the "new conservatives" in the United States.
Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives are characterized by an aggressive stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, and lesser dedication to a policy of minimal government. The "newness" refers either to being new to American conservatism (often coming from liberal or socialist backgrounds) or to being part of a "new wave" of conservative thought and political organization.
The term is used more often by those who oppose "neoconservative" politics than those who subscribe to them; indeed, many to whom the label is applied reject it. The term is sometimes used pejoratively, especially by the self-described paleoconservatives, who oppose neoconservatism from the right. Critics of the term argue that the word is overused and lacks coherent definition. For instance, they note that many so-called neoconservatives vehemently disagree with one another on major issues.
As a rule, the term refers to journalists, pundits, policy analysts, and institutions affiliated with policy think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the Heritage Foundation and the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and periodicals such as Commentary, Policy Review and The Weekly Standard.
Beliefs:
This political group supported a militant anticommunism; more social welfare spending than was acceptable to libertarians and mainstream conservatives; and sympathy with a non-traditionalist agenda, being more inclined than other conservatives toward an interventionist foreign policy and a unilateralism that is sometimes at odds with traditional conceptions of diplomacy and international law.
But domestic policy does not define neoconservatism; it is a movement founded on, and perpetuated by an aggressive approach to foreign policy, opposition to communism during the Cold War, free trade, and opposition to Middle Eastern states that are perceived to pursue terrorism or anti- Israel policies. Thus, their foremost target was the conservative but pragmatic approach to foreign policy often associated with Richard Nixon, i.e., peace through negotiations, diplomacy, and arms control, détente and containment (rather than rollback) of the Soviet Union, and the beginning of the process that would lead to bilateral ties between the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the U.S.
Intellectually, neoconservatives have been strongly influenced by a diverse range of thinkers from Max Shachtman's strongly anti- Soviet version of Trotskyism* (in the area of international policy) to the elitist, ostensibly neo- Platonic** ideas of Leo Strauss.
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The Iraq war alone should have been enough to discredit the neocons. These people thought that fool's errand up and did the cheerleading for it well before 9/11 and sold it to the American public by spewing outright fairy tales. And when everything fell to pieces and most people had realized that we were lied to, they rigorously defended their little experiment that cost us 1.5x the amount of lives we lost on 9/11 in a country that had nothing to do with it.
They have zero credibility left and yet some people still think that guys like John Bolton, Charles Krauthammer, and William Kristol are total geniuses.
The Iraq war alone should have been enough to discredit the neocons. These people thought that fool's errand up and did the cheerleading for it well before 9/11 and sold it to the American public by spewing outright fairy tales. And when everything fell to pieces and most people had realized that we were lied to, they rigorously defended their little experiment that cost us 1.5x the amount of lives we lost on 9/11 in a country that had nothing to do with it.
They have zero credibility left and yet some people still think that guys like John Bolton, Charles Krauthammer, and William Kristol are total geniuses.
At your service.
Well, maybe not total geniuses.
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The Iraq war alone should have been enough to discredit the neocons. These people thought that fool's errand up and did the cheerleading for it well before 9/11 and sold it to the American public by spewing outright fairy tales. And when everything fell to pieces and most people had realized that we were lied to, they rigorously defended their little experiment that cost us 1.5x the amount of lives we lost on 9/11 in a country that had nothing to do with it.
They have zero credibility left and yet some people still think that guys like John Bolton, Charles Krauthammer, and William Kristol are total geniuses.
Well said. All three of them apparently believe that Americans were born to be slaves for Israel.
neoconservative- a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means.
For the record, I think Israel is an outpost of civilization surrounded by savages, and they are fighting essentially the same war we are fighting.
That's what the Neocon propaganda wants you to believe. The reality of it is Palestine has now been given UN recognition and is one step away from statehood. The Israelis refuse to acknowledge that and are even building more illegal settlements to show it. They are the epitome of evil.
If Israel wanted peace, they would work to get nukes out of the region. They want to have them, not declare them, and then force other countries not to be able to get them.
If Israel wanted peace, they would stop building illegal settlements on Palestinian land.
If Israel wanted peace, they wouldn't use phosphorous bombs on a civilian population.
I can go on and on. They don't want peace. The Israelis thrive on instability and turmoil in the Middle East. They absolutely love it because it allows them to further their Zionist agenda.
BTW - You're correct that we're fighting the same war and it's because our government kisses their a** and believes they're always right. Period. AIPAC is the root of the problem.
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