University of Miami academics question

[LAGatorDoc]

I thought some 'Canes fans came on these boards earlier in the year saying their academic requirements were just as strict or stricter for recruits, yet Beau Sandland, who couldn't even make the academic requirements for Ole Miss, Auburn, or Bama, got into Miami as a transfer. I know JUCO transfers are different, but that completely blows their arguments out of the water considering Ole Miss is nowhere as stringent as UF.

[stomp_and_chomp]

Originally Posted by LAGatorDoc

I thought some canes fans came on these boards earlier in the year saying their academic requirements were just as strict or stricter for recruits, yet Beau Sandland, who couldn't even make the academic requirements for Ole Miss, Auburn, or Bama, got into Miami as a transfer. I know JUCO transfers are different, but that completely blows their arguments out of the water considering Ole Miss is nowhere as stringent as UF

I believe it is because Miami is a private institution. Sandland couldn't make the academic requirements set forth by the SEC and it's schools, which are a bit higher.

[GATORAZ]

SEC has a rule that you have to take some core math class at a school not online. To do that he would need to stay at his JUCO for an extra semester.

[LAGatorDoc]

Thanks for the info guys

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by LAGatorDoc

Thanks for the info guys

you are welcome it is a stupid rule that cost Florida a TE and now we have to play against him

[gymgator]

1) Private school does what it wants. So standards need to not apply to athletes.
2) Miami is ranked higher than UF in rankings that put a high value on teacher/student ratio.
3) 2012 FR Profile: http://www.admissions.ufl.edu/ugrad/frprofile.html
UF acceptance rate: 44% Miami's acceptance rate: 49%

[themistocles]

Miami is a relatively well respected Carnegie Very High Research University in that class we term Private, or Independent. Independent is a far better term, because, in fact, so-called private institutions receive very nearly the same amount of federal/state support as do the so-called public institutions.

They do have more leeway regarding admission requirements, however, in fact, so do public institutions, who can always admit students lacking one or more requirements as "Exceptions." Research regarding exceptions, who frequently are missing a course requirement that isn't available at their high school or something like that, perform at or higher than regular admits.

The fact that UF's admission's office has chosen to not give exceptions to athletes is largely the institution's choice.

Regarding Admissions percentages there are many factors that come into play here, including, but not limited to the following two:
1 - Florida produces far more high school graduates today than almost any other state, given the number of public 4-year institutions available to them, which means that these public institutions are simply overwhelmed with admissions applications. All of the major SUS schools, UF, FSU, USF, UCF, FAU and FIU get more than 20,000 applications per year, with the biggest schools (UF, USF, UCF) getting over 30,000 applications. Since they can only deal with 4-6,000 new students, and since their yield rates (the proportion of admits who actually enroll) range from 25% to about 35%, if they accept 40-45% of their applicants 12,000 of 30,000 for 40%) they end up enrolling between 4,000 and 4,500 students in the fall. This is why SUS institutions have about the lowest admit rates of any public institutions in the nation. Miami, due to perceived cost, doesn't get nearly as many applicants, nor do they enroll nearly as many, thus, their admit rates are likely to be somewhat higher than SUS institutions.

2 - Public support of public higher education has dropped at a steady rate over the past 30 years or so, meaning that if an institution wishes to continue to provide services, they must admit fewer students in the face of steadily increasing faculty salaries and other costs. Note that the official Federal estimate of Inflation, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) although pretty accurate back in the 1970s, was utterly destroyed as a useful measure during Regan's administration when his handlers wanted the Economy to look better than it was. This has been continued and even worsened so that now the CPI is an utterly worthless as an indicator of increasing costs. The Higher Education Price Index (HEPI) is somewhat better, but still a considerable underestimate of actual cost increases. Williams Shadow Statistics gives a reasonably accurate estimate of what is going on.

Thinking that an institution's admission percentage in any way relates to the "Quality" of an institution from the perspective of an individual student or the community in general, is not entirely nonsense, but is not far from it. It merely indicates demand, popularity or status and little else.

[tomis_gator]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

you are welcome it is a stupid rule that cost Florida a TE and now we have to play against him

which one?

[stomp_and_chomp]

I'm from Miami.

If you graduated high school with a 2.0 on the dot and come from money, you can go to the U of M. But it's so expensive - this is the reason why they have great teachers and research facilities.

[gtr2x]

^those days have changed.
Not saying Um is as tough to get in as UF, but the academics have stepped up. And yeah money always helps, but one of my son's friends is a huge Canes fan, comes from money had a lot better than a 3.0, just graduated from FSU. Couldnt get into UM, undergrad or grad, now at Nova law school.

[StrangeGator]

There have been situations where we lost players to academics who were able to got to Miami, but I don't think it's necessarily higher standards. Just different standards. Miami is comparable to UF academically and certainly higher than most of the SEC. Both admissions departments want to bring in student athletes they think will succeed academically and they have their own formulas. I wouldn't say that one is taking a higher road than the other. If Miami comes out on top more often, it's probably due to the SEC's own arbitrary rules.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by tomis_gator

which one?

Beau Sandland

[ofmgator]

Miami is a private school but is also a member of the acc...doesn't the acc have admission requirements just as the SEC has?

[gatorman_07732]

I think UM instituted a special ed program for the academically less gifted