Gun Control

[tec68]

Originally Posted by PITBOSS

Why so many guns now? Or is this SOP and a ongoing effort to stockpile guns? Do you think the gov and or UN is after you?

It's not just now, I own tow shotguns, two rifles, and now a handgun. We enjoy shooting handguns, and hunting with rifles and shotguns. The reason for handguns now is because we just got our concealed and wanted to own.

[tec68]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

Does anybody have a safe so that the guns don't end up pointing back at them?

Of course, we all do.

[wargunfan]

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When it comes to Israel and school shootings, Wayne LaPierre doesn’t know what he’s talking about, Israeli security experts said Sunday.

Such shootings are very rare in Israel and have been associated with terror attacks, not crazed gunmen, they said.
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But Yigal Palmor, spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, said the situation in Israel was “fundamentally different” from that in the United States.

“We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism,” said Palmor.

“What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years,” he said. “It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion,” he added.

“There is no comparison between maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people and trained terrorists trying to murder Israeli children,” said Reuven Berko, a retired Israeli Army colonel and senior police officer.


There is zero difference between a suicidal attack by an armed madman whether it be an Israeli school or an American school. The result is the same. The difference is that attacks in Israel have stopped because they have armed and trained teachers and security officers. Their students are safe and ours are not and the difference is arms and training.

[brainstorm]

The one thing gun control might actually reduce are suicides. In some places, they outnumber gun-related homicide.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by gatordavisl

Some of you need to stop trying to deflect the gun murdering problem in America by citing deaths under different circumstances. Each of those statistics reflect problems that should be (and to certain extents are) addressed. The tobacco issue has nothing to do with the gun issue. The automobile safety issue has nothing to do with gun control. That graphic is nothing more than a horrible attempt at deflecting attention away from the issue. 11,00+ gun deaths in America. REALLY? That's overwhelmingly shameful.

Then why don't the proponents of reducing deaths by causes other than guns recommend taking away cigarettes and cars?

[whitelakegator]

It is time to arm every man, woman, and child. Only then will we be safe.

[GatorAvatar]

What about the madman who torched his neighborhood, waited for firemen to show up before he sprayed bullets on them. Should we had armed guards protecting the firemen?

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

What about the madman who torched his neighborhood, waited for firemen to show up before he sprayed bullets on them. Should we had armed guards protecting the firemen?

We should ban fire while we are at it, now that you make me think of it.

[PITBOSS]

Spengler collected guns and killed innocents with an assault rifle. What a surprise.

[candymanfromgc]

He was a convicted felon let out early due to bleeding heart liberals such as yourself.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by candymanfromgc

He was a convicted felon let out early due to bleeding heart liberals such as yourself.

Yeah right...blame it on the liberals.

[Dreamliner]

The anti-gun hysteria is incredibly childish. The worst one-man massacres in US history didn't involve guns. And mass-shooting comprise, what ? about 1% of gun killings ?

Sheeple. Rings through noses.

[gatornana]

Originally Posted by candymanfromgc

He was a convicted felon let out early due to bleeding heart liberals such as yourself.

Do you have a link supporting this?

[brainstorm]

Over half of handgun deaths are suicide.

http://www.nysun.com/national/surpri...uicides/80978/

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by brainstorm

Over half of handgun deaths are suicide.

http://www.nysun.com/national/surpri...uicides/80978/

We need to arrest people for committing suicide! It can't be allowed! It makes gun death statistics look bad!

[rivergator]

Frank Luntz, GOP go-to guy for polling:

Famed Republican pollster Frank Luntz on Wednesday said the National Rifle Association's call for armed police officers in schools demonstrates that the powerful pro-gun lobby is out of step with the American public.

“The public wants guns out of the schools, not in the schools,” Luntz said during an appearance on "CBS This Morning.” “And they are not asking for a security official or someone else. I don’t think the NRA is listening. I don’t think they understand most Americans would protect the Second Amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun, not every gun should be available at any time, anywhere, for anyone. At gun shows, you should not be able to buy something there without any kind of check whatsoever.”

link

[phatGator]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

The anti-gun hysteria is incredibly childish. The worst one-man massacres in US history didn't involve guns. And mass-shooting comprise, what ? about 1% of gun killings ?

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html

Gary Kleck, in Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York 1997), summarizes the findings of forty-seven such studies, indicating that less than 2% of crime guns were assault weapons (the median was about 1.8%). According to Bureau of Justice Statistics, (Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1993, May 1996) offenders were armed with a firearm in 10% of all violent crimes. That would mean less than .20% (one-fifth of one percent or 1 in 500) of violent crime offenders used an assault weapon (1.8% X 10% = .18%).

...Gary Kleck in Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997) after examining the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Reports for the years 1976 to 1992, reports "the rate of killings with four or more victims was higher in 1976-1982, prior to the popularity of assault weapons, than in 1983-1992. Regardless of the numerical cutoff defining mass shootings, there was no increase in such incidents associated with the increased popularity of assault weapons after 1984".

Dr. Kleck also states that "Oddly enough, mass killings are actually less likely to involve the use of guns of any kind than homicides involving small numbers of victims. For all murders and non negligent manslaughters covered in Supplementary Homicide Reports (about 90% of all U.S. killings) for the period 1976 to 1992, only 48.3% of victims killed in incidents with four or more victims were killed with guns, compared to 62.3% of those killed in incidents with three or fewer victims. This is mainly due to the large share of mass killings committed with arson, which is rarely involved in ordinary homicides."

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

We need to arrest people for committing suicide! It can't be allowed! It makes gun death statistics look bad!

Dreamliner, if you put a bullet in your head, no-one will give a fluck. However, if you go around killing innocent children, then that's bad.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Dreamliner, if you put a bullet in your head, no-one will give a fluck. However, if you go around killing innocent children, then that's bad.

Well, even though you might wish me dead, you miserable fluck, I'm glad that at least you've come out against abortion.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by PITBOSS

Spengler collected guns and killed innocents with an assault rifle. What a surprise.

Not legally, he is a convicted felon and shouldn't been able to own a firearm. But what should we expect from a convicted murder? I mean he only killed his grandma with a hammer... You would think that he would respect the law and not kill anyone, at least respect the law and not get a gun... Oh wait, those background checks only work on us who follow the law...