Robinson back to Clemson

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I am pretty sure ESPN got their measurements from the opening and other Nike events. The OPENING is basically the last event of the season. That picture was taken this season and you see he needs to add more bulk to his frame. He has also said he needs more bulk

I am not trying to argue 40 times all I am saying is he is not an explosive athlete. He does not get up to full speed fast. He is not one of those players that is just going to out quick someone on the line and run past DB's in college. He is going to need bulk up to use his frame. At the line of scrimmage he will need to out muscle DB's. I cant wait for it to happen but that takes time.

Like Mike Williams at USCw a few years back?

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

Like Mike Williams at USCw a few years back?

I am not sure if he can get to 230 like Mike did

[GATORAZ]

I am not trying to put Fulwood down when I say he is not an explosive football player. Just like I am not trying to put Kelvin Taylor down when I say he is not the fastest running back. These kids cant do everything. They do a lot well I think they are going to be excellent football players for the Gators. Saying someone is going to be like Alshon Jeffery who was one of the best WR's in the SEC when he played should seem like a compliment. And again I am not an "expert" just a man with an opinion.

[Dreamliner]

I understand and would be thrilled if Fulwood turned out to be as good as Jeffrey. By the same token, I don't look at a Robinson vid and think 'Wow! explosive!" and a Fulwood vid and think 'Very good, but not explosive.' They look about the same to me in that department.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

I understand and would be thrilled if Fulwood turned out to be as good as Jeffrey. By the same token, I don't look at a Robinson vid and think 'Wow! explosive!" and a Fulwood vid and think 'Very good, but not explosive.' They look about the same to me in that department.

That's not how I look at and its not that simple if you look at both vids and you think they are the same type of athlete I dont know what I can really say.

[Dreamliner]

Just watched the Robinson vid again and they're both running away from people. You're right, don't know what else to say.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Just watched the Robinson vid again and they're both running away from people. You're right, don't know what else to say.

you really think they are the same type of football player but one is just 2 in taller?

They both should be running away from kids in high school they are D1 prospects.

[atlantagator86]

I don't think you can compare Jeffrey's college video to Fulwood's high school video to try to make comparisons about what kind of player they are.

I will say this for Fulwood, and many other top HS athlete videos. In HS, these guys, especially 6'4" WRs, are men among boys. I think that to some extent, they don't want to show people up too much and only play as hard as they have to. Fulwood doesn't look like he's giving it his all on most of those plays.

You can see him clearly kick it into gear on a few plays and he absolutely blows by people!

I have no idea if he'll ever be anywhere near as good as Jones or Alshon, but I think he's got all the tools to work with.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Fulwood is fast enough to be a good receiver in the SEC. I've heard people say "he's slow", so I decided to look at film on him. He runs away from people. Does he have things he can work on once he gets here? Every player does.

But Fulwood has the speed to get deep against SEC corners. He'll also probably get faster once he gets on campus. I think it's lazy to assume that he "lacks the necessary speed to be a deep threat" in Florida's offense simply because others have said so. Go back and look at the film on him.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

I don't think you can compare Jeffrey's college video to Fulwood's high school video to try to make comparisons about what kind of player they are.

I will say this for Fulwood, and many other top HS athlete videos. In HS, these guys, especially 6'4" WRs, are men among boys. I think that to some extent, they don't want to show people up too much and only play as hard as they have to. Fulwood doesn't look like he's giving it his all on most of those plays.

You can see him clearly kick it into gear on a few plays and he absolutely blows by people!

I have no idea if he'll ever be anywhere near as good as Jones or Alshon, but I think he's got all the tools to work with.

Exactly. That's why it's lazy to say he's not all that fast. You can't watch film of the kid, and then logically conclude that he's too slow.

[GatorCrazy11]

You'd think after a week, D Rob would've at least changed his Twitter avatar to something either neutral or pro-Clemson...I smell a signing day switcheroo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9-K0chCcAEpmek.jpg:large

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

you really think they are the same type of football player but one is just 2 in taller?

They both should be running away from kids in high school they are D1 prospects.

All I'm saying is that, comparing the two videos, I just don't see 'explosive' vs. 'non-explosive.' Fulwood may not be your prototypical explosive athlete. On the other hand, I've already pointed out that Robinson's speed has been called into question.

[risktaker]

Originally Posted by GatorCrazy11

You'd think after a week, D Rob would've at least changed his Twitter avatar to something either neutral or pro-Clemson...I smell a signing day switcheroo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9-K0chCcAEpmek.jpg:large

Hmmm.... That IS odd. He has gone quiet so maybe we'll just get the good news as a surprise when he enrolls at UF. :-)

[g8r925]

Yep I noticed the twitter page as well, hope we get him back.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Fulwood is fast enough to be a good receiver in the SEC. I've heard people say "he's slow", so I decided to look at film on him. He runs away from people. Does he have things he can work on once he gets here? Every player does.

But Fulwood has the speed to get deep against SEC corners. He'll also probably get faster once he gets on campus. I think it's lazy to assume that he "lacks the necessary speed to be a deep threat" in Florida's offense simply because others have said so. Go back and look at the film on him.

Fulwood is not slow he just doesn't get to top end speed as quickly as others. Two people can run a 4.5 very differently. One person can run a 4.5 getting up to full speed after there first thew steps another doesn't get up to full speed until 20 meters but once they are there there top end speed is faster than the persons who got up to full speed in there first few steps.

You also don't have to be a burner to be a deep threat. As noted earlier Alshon Jeffery was a deep threat in college but by no means was he some speed demon. Fulwood will be fine it will just take a little time. As CWM says "it isnt add water instant football player"

[Dreamliner]

Speed is such a fuzzy concept. Remember David Nelson ? Nobody confused him for a burner. And the whole time he was here he was cast as a possession receiver, rarely gaining more than ten yards per catch.

Then he goes and runs a sizzling 4.43, at the combine, and winds up an NFL starter. Where was that speed when he was here and why wasn't it better utilized ?

Then there's Deshawn Wynn. I think he ran a 4.4 at the combine. Where was that when he was here ?

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Fulwood will be fine it will just take a little time. As CWM says "it isnt add water instant football player"

Not sure I follow your logic here at all. What makes you think Fulwood is going to take more time to develop than other receivers??

Whether he doesn't start off the line quickly (as you suggest) or not, that's not likely to change dramatically over time.

In my opinion, Fulwood, because of the mismatch created by his height, is probably going to see the field pretty quickly, whether he's fast or not.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

Not sure I follow your logic here at all. What makes you think Fulwood is going to take more time to develop than other receivers??

Whether he doesn't start off the line quickly (as you suggest) or not, that's not likely to change dramatically over time.

In my opinion, Fulwood, because of the mismatch created by his height, is probably going to see the field pretty quickly, whether he's fast or not.

I think they will all take time. Of the ones we have committed Fulwood probably sees the field first. I don't expect much from any of them their freshmen year.

[Gatorbeck]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Fulwood is not slow he just doesn't get to top end speed as quickly as others. Two people can run a 4.5 very differently. One person can run a 4.5 getting up to full speed after there first thew steps another doesn't get up to full speed until 20 meters but once they are there there top end speed is faster than the persons who got up to full speed in there first few steps."

I think I would rather have explosiveness off the LOS than top end speed though. Top end speed is a little bit overrated, as I don't think it's on every play that top end speed is really necessary. Explosiveness is needed on every play however, and at every position.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Todd McShay and Mel Kiper get paid a lot of money to make the game of football sound a lot more complicated than it really is, and it sounds like some are trying to do that with Fulwood. While all the terms like "top-end speed" and "explosive" and "burner" may make a person sound like they know what they're talking about, none of it really matters.

Fulwood looks like the kind of player who will change games. I have a feeling he'll be a monster at the next level. Say what you want about his speed, but he looks like he's got plenty of it on film. I don't think he'll be lights out from day one, but over time I think he'll become a very good receiver.