Robinson back to Clemson

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

Our offense is going to look a lot like Bama's. But outside of Jones, how many big time WRs has Bama produced in the last 10 years.

Some of you are reading into this what you want to hear. I'm not saying our passing game won't improve or that we'll never get big-time WR recruits. We will. We already have Fulwood and Bailey.

All I'm saying is that the lack of production over the past few years is being used against us and that I suspect that's a big part of what's been put in Robinson's ear by his coach. And until/unless we start seeing real production, it's going to be a difficult sell.

The same thing has been true with RBs over the past several years. Really going back to when Spurrier arrived, UF has had a difficult time attracting the top elite RB recruits. We got Taylor and Fason rarely got any or our top 3 targets in any given year. That's not to say that we didn't sign talented players but we typically were getting the 4th and 5th guys on the board.

I said last year that until we had a 1,000 yard rusher, we would have a tough time getting serious interest. We finally show a power running game and have a 1,000 yard rusher and suddenly we have guys like Collins very interested, to go with Lane and Taylor.

That's just the way recruiting seems to work.

I actually agree with you that our lack of production in the passing game has hurt our chances with guys like North and Robert Foster, and I'm sure Robinson has people in his ear, telling him that Florida is not the best place for him to utilize his talents.

But I also think you're selling Pease and Muschamp a bit short. A lot of factors went into why our passing game struggled this year. However, that's for another day and another thread. Poor pass protection, average receivers and a young QB all were the main factors into why we struggled in that area, and Pease did a wonderful job of realizing that a physical running game was the direction we needed to go in to win games this year. He did nothing more than play to what he knew the strength of the offense would be. That's smart coaching.

The offense will continue to evolve. I've argued many times that we didn't see the full effect of Meyer's spread offense until the second half of the Arkansas game following that loss to Ole Miss. If Pease gets a receiver he's comfortable "featuring" in his offense, look at what he did at Boise State. When he had guys like Moore and Young, he knew what to do with them. However, it's harder to put on an air show in this league. The defensive talent in the SEC is ridiculous.

Remember that three years into Mullen's stay in Gainesville, the running joke was that all he knew how to do was get the ball to Harvin, and run Tebow to the left, the right, or up the middle. Now he's at Mississippi State. Give it time.

[DeBigLeezard]

NoahBean...
Could not have been said better!
I can promise everyone and the moon that our passing offense will be MUCH BETTER in the fall of 2013 than it was this year.
Not only will our receivers be more in tuned with Pease's game plan and routes...
But our offensive line will be MUCH better.

(Take a look at Tyler Moore's picture.
The guy is a beast! I can see WHY he started as a freshman at Nebraska.)

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

I actually agree with you that our lack of production in the passing game has hurt our chances with guys like North and Robert Foster, and I'm sure Robinson has people in his ear, telling him that Florida is not the best place for him to utilize his talents.

But I also think you're selling Pease and Muschamp a bit short. A lot of factors went into why our passing game struggled this year. However, that's for another day and another thread. Poor pass protection, average receivers and a young QB all were the main factors into why we struggled in that area, and Pease did a wonderful job of realizing that a physical running game was the direction we needed to go in to win games this year. He did nothing more than play to what he knew the strength of the offense would be. That's smart coaching.

The offense will continue to evolve. I've argued many times that we didn't see the full effect of Meyer's spread offense until the second half of the Arkansas game following that loss to Ole Miss. If Pease gets a receiver he's comfortable "featuring" in his offense, look at what he did at Boise State. When he had guys like Moore and Young, he knew what to do with them. However, it's harder to put on an air show in this league. The defensive talent in the SEC is ridiculous.

Remember that three years into Mullen's stay in Gainesville, the running joke was that all he knew how to do was get the ball to Harvin, and run Tebow to the left, the right, or up the middle. Now he's at Mississippi State. Give it time.

NoahBeanBizzel:

Nice post and I agree with much of what you said. In fact I stated in the post you replied to that we've already got 2 really good receivers in this class and that I expect the passing game will improve. It HAS to improve and we've absolutely got to have more balance and make defenses respect the pass to have long-term success. That will make the running game even better.

But the one point I will respectfully disagree on is how much I think it will change.

Muschamp's style is, and will probably always be great defense and don't make mistakes on offense. It's going to probably be about ball control and managing the clock. Muschamp pretty clearly believes that defense wins games. This is the philosophy he learned from Saban and exactly how Bama plays. And as I've said at least once in this thread, I think our general style of play is going to look a LOT like Bama.

Our defense is going to big big and fast. And our offense is probably going to have big physical running backs and pound the ball and control the clock.

UF was #35 in rushing with 194 YPG and our passing game was #118 with 144 YPG. Bama was #19 rushing with 225 YPG and #85 in passing at 215 YPG, despite AJ McCarron having the highest QB rating in college football.

Bama could probably throw for 300 YPG every game if they wanted, but they don't, because Saban wants to control the clock and wear the other team down. Bama has had 300 pass attempts this year and 525 rushing plays. That's 64% running plays and only about 23 pass attempts per game. By comparison, UF averaged 22 passing attempts per game and 44 rushing plays, which is 66% percent running plays. VERY similar comparisons.

The point here being that I think to a large extent, UF is basically running the offense it wants to run. The problem is that the passing game hasn't been effective, and because of that drives are stalling and not resulting in as many points.

My expectation is that what we'll see is the passing game improve - the OL will get better at giving the QB time and the WRs will do a better job getting open - and become much more efficient in the next few years, which in turn will make the running game even better! But that's probably not going to bring a dramatic change in offensive style. We'll probably still continue to be 60-65% running plays versus passing plays (unless our running game somehow becomes ineffective). We'll hopefully see longer more sustained drives that hopefully result in TDs instead of FGs. But it will still be using the pass to set up the run and we're unlikely to ever regularly see more than 30 pass plays in a game.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

NoahBeanBizzel:

Nice post and I agree with much of what you said. In fact I stated in the post you replied to that we've already got 2 really good receivers in this class and that I expect the passing game will improve. It HAS to improve and we've absolutely got to have more balance and make defenses respect the pass to have long-term success. That will make the running game even better.

But the one point I will respectfully disagree on is how much I think it will change.

Muschamp's style is, and will probably always be great defense and don't make mistakes on offense. It's going to probably be about ball control and managing the clock. Muschamp pretty clearly believes that defense wins games. This is the philosophy he learned from Saban and exactly how Bama plays. And as I've said at least once in this thread, I think our general style of play is going to look a LOT like Bama.

Our defense is going to big big and fast. And our offense is probably going to have big physical running backs and pound the ball and control the clock.

UF was #35 in rushing with 194 YPG and our passing game was #118 with 144 YPG. Bama was #19 rushing with 225 YPG and #85 in passing at 215 YPG, despite AJ McCarron having the highest QB rating in college football.

Bama could probably throw for 300 YPG every game if they wanted, but they don't, because Saban wants to control the clock and wear the other team down. Bama has had 300 pass attempts this year and 525 rushing plays. That's 64% running plays and only about 23 pass attempts per game. By comparison, UF averaged 22 passing attempts per game and 44 rushing plays, which is 66% percent running plays. VERY similar comparisons.

The point here being that I think to a large extent, UF is basically running the offense it wants to run. The problem is that because the passing game hasn't been effective, drives are stalling and not resulting in as many points.

My expectation is that what we'll see is the passing game improve and be much more efficient in the next few years, which in turn will make the running game even better! But we will probably still continue to be 60-65% running plays versus passing plays (unless our running game somehow becomes ineffective). And we're unlikely to ever regularly see more than 30 pass plays in a game.

I'm fine with this if it produces three national titles over the next four years. Alabama is getting their share of talent at the WR position, and I think we'll do the same with more efficiency out of the passing game. Heck, we've already gotten four outstanding prospects on their way in. With or without Robinson we've done pretty well addressing that need.

[atlantagator86]

NoahBeanBizzel:

I think we're mostly on the same page. And yes, I agree that we've done well at addressing our WR needs with or without Robinson.

In my opinion, Fulwood is the real key because he can finally be that big fast physical receiver that creates real mismatch problems, like a Julio Jones.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

NoahBeanBizzel:

I think we're mostly on the same page. And yes, I agree that we've done well at addressing our WR needs with or without Robinson.

In my opinion, Fulwood is the real key because he can finally be that big fast physical receiver that creates real mismatch problems, like a Julio Jones.

People act like we need Robinson... Fulwood is 6'4 himself, and by the time next season rolls around he could easily be 195-200, and a real threat.. I say we're fine where we stand, offer James Clark pick up a talented, very speedy, very elusive small WR and we will be fine.. I mean Florida has three receivers in this class that are 6'0 and over with one at 6'2 ( Hawkins ).. This WR class is already the best in the nation IMO where it stands, and anything else added from here on out... Well.... It's just a plus

[SavageGator]

We are 11-1 rated third nationally and winning exactly the way we are supposed to controlling the clock, not turning the ball over, running first and passing when it makes sense. I for one will take that with a trip to a BCS bowl game versus playing in the minor leagues of the pitiful ACC with a 10-2 record and a probable loss to LSU. That would make for 3 losses to teams we beat (FSU, USCE and LSU). It is logical that we would pass more often with more talent at WR.

[gatorbait1]

Originally Posted by UFG8rGuy3283

Agreed. Just wondering, though, why do people still say Peace? LOL

Peace and hair Greece my brotha.....

[gatorbait1]

Originally Posted by woltes

I am addicted to recruiting can't stop if I tried.

Me too bro! Hooked man

[GATORAZ]

Florida does not need Demarucs Robinson to win games but it he would fill a huge need in the offense. People complained all year about not throwing the ball down field. Well to throw the ball down field you NEED a vertical threat. Demarcus Robinson was that vertical threat. Fulwood is not that fast but can be a threat as an outside WR once he puts on the needed weight. With him not being an EE it will be tough for him to put on the weight plus learn how to play against college DB's.

D Rob was an EE plus he was explosive. I think the team can win a NC without D Rob next year but he sure would have made it a lot easier on the offense next year.

[Dreamliner]

Why the past tense on Robinson ? Isn't the latest news that he's likely to stick with us ? I swear, I can't keep up.

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Fulwood is not that fast but can be a threat as an outside WR once he puts on the needed weight. With him not being an EE it will be tough for him to put on the weight plus learn how to play against college DB's.

Scout lists Fulwood at 200 lbs while Rivals and ESPN lists him at 189 lbs. I have noticed that while I don't think their assessments of talents are up to par, Scout usually seems to have more accurate measurables on these kids. I think they either see the kids later than the other services or see them more often and update. So it's very possible if not more than likely that he's already up to 200 lbs or more.

He's also listed as a 4.47 40 which while it isn't blazing speed is pretty decent. Julio Jones was listed as a 4.5 40 so he's potentially a little faster than Jones.

[Gator4Christ]

Fullwood turning a 4.47 at 6'4/200 is more than impressive considering he will add some size without compromising his speed. I didnt realize he was that fast.

But the possible opportunity to have had him and a D Robinson on the edges changes things drastically with 2 big and fast guys

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

Scout lists Fulwood at 200 lbs while Rivals and ESPN lists him at 189 lbs. I have noticed that while I don't think their assessments of talents are up to par, Scout usually seems to have more accurate measurables on these kids. I think they either see the kids later than the other services or see them more often and update. So it's very possible if not more than likely that he's already up to 200 lbs or more.

He's also listed as a 4.47 40 which while it isn't blazing speed is pretty decent. Julio Jones was listed as a 4.5 40 so he's potentially a little faster than Jones.

Fulwood is not as fast as Julio Jones. Fulwood is a very smooth runner for his height but he is not explosive. Dont think Julio Jones think Alshon Jeffery once he is a finished product. Fulwood has said himself he need to add weight to his frame. ESPN has him at 189 which I would think is right because they took measurements for kids to get to the OPENING. I think he will make a huge jump from year 1 to year 2 at Florida but he is not going to jump kids already on the team in fall camp. I do see him getting on the field but not having a huge role. D Rob has a good shot at getting starters snaps at WR next year

Of course this is all my non expert opinion.

[Nicho]

Great insights, AZ. Insightful and objective. I agree that we can win it all without D. Robinson, but it sure would make things easier if he came.

[VandyGator13]

When do classes start and EE make it to campus?

[Gator4Christ]

7 Jan 13

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Fulwood is not as fast as Julio Jones. Fulwood is a very smooth runner for his height but he is not explosive. Dont think Julio Jones think Alshon Jeffery once he is a finished product. Fulwood has said himself he need to add weight to his frame. ESPN has him at 189 which I would think is right because they took measurements for kids to get to the OPENING.

Hard to say on the speed. 4.47 versus 4.5 is splitting hairs, but 4.5 is what Jones' profile listed him at.

The thing on the measurables, as I recall, is that each of the recruiting services get them from their sponsored events. Not sure how it is now, but I think a few years ago, Rivals got their measurement in the Spring and Scout had their event late Summer. So a lot of the kids would either grow an inch or 2 or add 10 lbs. I don't think ESPN has any events so they probably pull their measurements from another source (maybe Rivals - don't know).

I don't think either is particularly more accurate than the other, it's just a matter of who's data is most current.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

Hard to say on the speed. 4.47 versus 4.5 is splitting hairs, but 4.5 is what Jones' profile listed him at.

The thing on the measurables, as I recall, is that each of the recruiting services get them from their sponsored events. Not sure how it is now, but I think a few years ago, Rivals got their measurement in the Spring and Scout had their event late Summer. So a lot of the kids would either grow an inch or 2 or add 10 lbs. I don't think ESPN has any events so they probably pull their measurements from another source (maybe Rivals - don't know).

I don't think either is particularly more accurate than the other, it's just a matter of who's data is most current.

I am pretty sure ESPN got their measurements from the opening and other Nike events. The OPENING is basically the last event of the season. That picture was taken this season and you see he needs to add more bulk to his frame. He has also said he needs more bulk

I am not trying to argue 40 times all I am saying is he is not an explosive athlete. He does not get up to full speed fast. He is not one of those players that is just going to out quick someone on the line and run past DB's in college. He is going to need bulk up to use his frame. At the line of scrimmage he will need to out muscle DB's. I cant wait for it to happen but that takes time.

[Dreamliner]

Don't see how you can tell that he is not an explosive athlete from that vid. One thing I think you can tell is that he appears to be ALL of 6-4, maybe 6-5. He looks like a man among boys.