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Old 12-20-2012, 11:27 AM   #1
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Perhaps Jason was bothered by people saying Rosario didn't deserve the Box Score MVG for Arizona due to his largely excused by Billy D end of game turnovers.

Now, I spoke of standardizing those, which I did, and I got critiqued also - Tough Group. So, I rethought that.

Everyone either KNOWS, or, at least should KNOW that all Statistical or Numerical Analyses of anything are at best very, very rough estimates. This one at least looks at both positive and negative factors in what seems perhaps a reasonable fashion. However, in Jason's form, because it is a cumulative total score, it fails to take into account how much time players have to build their MVG Score. Note that perhaps due to data entry (one must enter by hand roughly 72 numbers for each game, there are sure to be some errors, but few are willing to recheck every number for such a process).

Rethinking the Standardized - earlier I provided Season Long Totals for every player on the team standardized to 20 minutes per game. I have added another column to that, this time computing what their average season total value is based on the average number of minutes they play per game in addition to a 20 minute sum.

For SE LA, the 4 leaders were:
99 - Rosairo
74 - Wilbekin
64 - Frazier

For the season - Sorted descending by Average Minutes per Game - Patric Young ends up on top, but if everyone were to play the same number of minutes per game (in this case 20), Prather would still be on Top by quite a bit. AVG = Average minutes per game; 20=20 minutes per game:

Avg 20
62 47 P. Young, C
60 42 S. Wilbekin, G
56 37 K. Boynton, G
55 45 E. Murphy, F-C
53 40 W. Yeguete, F
53 36 M. Rosario, G
39 58 C. Prather, G-F
31 39 M. Frazier II, G
7 18 B. Ogbueze, G
6 22 D. Walker, G-F
4 16 D. Graham, G
0 3 J. Kurtz, G

Obviously, the number of minutes a player averages has a substantial influence on their cumulative game-based values in this limited method. To me it is very interesting that 6 Gators, from Rosario through Young, based on minutes per game, are averaging over 50 on this scale, with two others (Prather 39 and Frazier 31) averaging over 30.

When one looks at the standardized to same number of minutes (20) for each player, Prather stands head and shoulders above everyone else, at 58, with only Young, Murphy and Wilbekin above 40. Boynton, Rosario and Frazier are all in the high 30s. Perhaps I should have used 30 minutes per game, rather than 20, but 20 should be adequate to get a feel for what is going on.

Scale:
+5 credits for each Steal and Assist
+4 credits for each Point scored, Rebound and Block
.-5 credits for each Turnover
.-2 credits for each Field Goal Attempt
.-1 credit for each Free Throw Attempt
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:04 PM   #2
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:17 PM   #3
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:12 PM   #4
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Very impressed with Frazier
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I understand the value of statistics, but sometimes it doesn't tell the whole story.

A hot hand can inflate the number of assists, while a post player with butter fingers can hurt you in that area.

RBI's are generally considered to be overrated by many baseball experts, especially those who believe in sabremetrics.

There's no substitution to watching the game.
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Very impressed with Frazier
Me too. Michael has a great shot and you can never have enough good shooters, especially during tourney time.
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