Arizona Game Box Score MVG: Mike Rosario

[GatorJason]

Mike Rosario had a strong game leading the Gators in scoring with 16 points, 3 boards and 3 assists giving him a Value Score of 56 in a close Gator loss to Arizona (64-65). Scottie Wilbekin, Will Yuegete and Erik Murphy followed with solid Value Scores of 48, 47 and 46 that would have been enough for a victory except the Gators were unable to contain the Arizona defensively as the Wildcats scored the last eight points in the first half and 36 points in the second half, many off of Gator turnovers.

The Gators had spurts in the first half that constantly kept them up 10-12 points until the Wildcats reeled off the last 8 points of the 1st half. Kenny Boynton tried to take control when the Gators faltered but he struggled himself with 1-7 shooting from the arc, turned the ball over on the last Gator possesion of the first half and was unable to convert freethrows at the end of the game to protect a Gator 1 point lead. Despite the poor play of their senior leader and 5 turnovers by fellow senior Erik Murphy, the Gators almost beat the 8th ranked Wildcats on their homecourt that included many alumni players and former HOF basketball coach Lute Olson in attendance.

Box Score Value Leaders:
Rosario........58
Wilbekin.''....48
Yeguete....'..47
Murphy....'.'..46

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Value Credits* are assigned as follows:
+5 credits for each Steal and Assist
+4 credits for each Point scored, Rebound and Block
.-5 credits for each Turnover
.-2 credits for each Field Goal Attempt
.-1 credit for each Free Throw Attempt

* Value Credits are based solely on Box Score data and do not reflect total game contributions by players

Arizona Game Official Box Score

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[HALLGATOR]

Erik had a really good game but the TOs hurt him.

[ApexNC]

Hard to believe Young only had 2 rebounds. Really need better than that from him.

[hoopnscoopuf]

2 unforced turnovers to lose the game and he is the MVG? You have to be kidding. Rosario carelessly gave it away. That bounce pass TO to Boynton was absolutely putrid.

Wilbekin MVG if anyone.

[GatorJason]

The Gators will only go as far as their seniors will take them. Murph is a good supporting cast player who can accel in the flow of the game but cannot make plays for himself (except against Wisky when his Dad was in the stands) and makes mental errors when pressured. Boynton came to Florida as a champion who was accustomed to being the main man who could lift his team to victory. He wants to be that same player at the college level but is finding that personna tough to repeat against higher caliber athletes. Rosario came to Florida as an immensely talented scorer but undisciplined. He still has his wild tendencies but I think he is really trying hard to play within Billy's team concept and ball movement. Sure, he screws up on occasion but he also makes/creates plays when no one else on the team can.

I'll throw junior Patric Young in the mix because he's been in the program two years and should have developed into the player that you could build a championship team around. He is not that player yet. We got a glimpse of Patric's pouting nature that caused Billy to not start him against Marquette. When he was crying to the refs and shrugged off Wilbekin when Scottie tried to pull him away, it was clear Patric has a ways to go before he matures into a disciplined leader and a true team player. If he has aspirations of playing (and staying) in the NBA, he needs to grow up. I think he will. He's too smart not to and Billy will continue to drive the message until the light bulb clicks on.

[GatorJason]

Originally Posted by hoopnscoopuf

2 unforced turnovers to lose the game and he is the MVG? You have to be kidding. Rosario carelessly gave it away. That bounce pass TO to Boynton was absolutely putrid.

Wilbekin MVG if anyone.

You could make a case that Wilbekin was MVG. The "Box Score MVG" however is based solely on what the box score numbers say. Mike Rosario's numbers say that he was the the most productive player on the court for the Gators. It does not take into account a single critical moment when a player messes up or makes a play to win the ballgame. That is where we subjectively weight those moments more highly and come up with evaluations that don't necessarily match up with what the box score productions numbers say.

[themistocles]

Actually, those are pretty low numbers all the way across the board.

According to my computations, Prather got 26 points, albeit in a mere 11 minutes. He scored 3 points, was 1 for 3 FGs, and had a turnover, but was 1-1 FT, had 4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 assist. Obviously, he just didn't play enough, AGAIN, to climb those rankings. Had he played a mere 22 minutes and doubled those values, he would have been above everyone but Rosario - note that Rosario played 33 minutes, Wilbekin 35, Yeguete & Murphy, 28 each.

They really should be standardized based on Minutes played, as was noted by someone earlier, although, of course, they are a far better way to view things than a mere box score.

[GatorJason]

Originally Posted by themistocles

They really should be standardized based on Minutes played, as was noted by someone earlier, although, of course, they are a far better way to view things than a mere box score.

The scores are standardized. The Value Credit system is posted with every message. If you divide productions scores by minutes played, then you are getting a production rate. A rate would measure efficiency but not measure the overall production of a player.

Productivy rates have more meaning if they are evaluated over period of time. e.g. If a player scored a three point basket in one minute of play, his value score would be (3x4-2) = 10 and a rate of 10/minute. Conversely, if that person missed that FGA, they would have a Value Score of -2 and a rate of -2/minute. Consequently, a production rate is meaningless unless a player plays significant minutes.

For Casey Prather, he had a Value Score of 27 (see link in original message) which he did in only 11 minutes. Casey had a high efficiency (~2.5 credits/minute) but he did not score among the most productive players because he did not have enough court time to build his totals.

[gtr2x]

Unfortunately, I missed the game, but looking at the box score was surprised to see Frazier with only 3 min of action. I know coach often shortens the bench and this isn't a critique just was a little surprised. Thought the kid had played pretty well recently.