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tommyuf21 · 12-12-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by REM08

Are we going with hindsight or where he actually would have been picked. No question that was a weak draft, but I'm not sure most would have projected him first overall that year preceding the draft.

I remember there being major speculation that Noah's NCAA performance would propel him to the top pick that year.

Both Horford and Brewer improved their games during their junior year and went much higher than they would have in 2006.

However, with Kevin Durant, Oden and several other very talented freshman added to the draft pool in 2007, it wasn't rocket science to think that Noah would fall somewhat in the order.

Singaporegator · 12-12-2012, 09:09 PM

Maybe our leading statistician can help out here. You need to look at how the kids were ranked coming out of high school and how the we're drafted or whether they played overseas after leaving college. To the extent that it is available you could rank them by earning after leaving school. There is actually some hard evidence on this if you have the time and skill to organize it into a regression analysis. (I don't).

RD_gator · 12-12-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

It's a pretty simple decision. By all accounts he is a future pro so he should pick somewhere that will have the greatest long term impact on his pro potential. In order they are:

1) UF
2) duke
3) much st

Very simple comparison beal to
Rivers. Who benefited more from their year in college? Not even close Beal.

Another comparison is which school has developed quality small forwards? I believe that is the position that Jabari Parker will play or will he play SG or both SF/SG?

Florida:
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Mike Miller (5th pick, Rookie of the year),
Corey Brewer (?5th Pick)
Chandler Parsons (2nd Rd; starter for Houston Rockets)
Bradley Beal (3rd pick; played SF at UF)
Waiting in the wings for UF, another quality SF transer in Dorian-Finney Smith.

Duke:
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Grant Hill (2nd or 3rd pick?)
Shane Battier
?Mike Dunleavy
Luol Deng

If Parker wants to learn an all-around game than he should pick Florida & Billy Donovan. I could potentially see the following line-up (or another combination) for 2013-14 Florida:

PG: Kasey Hill/Wilbekin/Ogbueze
SG: Jabari Parker (he could be the Gators' version of Kevin Durant)
SF: Prather/Frazier
PF: Chris Walker/Finney Smith
C: Damonte-Harris

GatorLurker · 12-12-2012, 09:59 PM

[quote=REM08;6236785]The problem with comparing Beal and Rivers is that one is Beal and the other is Rivers./QUOTE]

Yep. One was humble and learned from his coach and the other thought coming out of HS that he would school Lebron.

InstiGATOR1 · 12-13-2012, 11:14 AM

BTW, Parker's team plays on ESPN tonight.

rserina · 12-13-2012, 11:24 AM

I thought it has always been Michigan State because he wanted to play close to home. Never really thought we were in it. Good job recruiting by Donovan, yet again showing that he has reached that "legend" status and is without question the top coach of his generation (in which I would include Calipari, Howland, Barnes, Matta, Self, Few, maybe Izzo, though he would probably get the nod over Donovan at this stage). Unlike fifteen years ago, when Donovan would have to outwork other staffs to get a hearing, now he gets one because he is Billy Donovan, even if the kid has no interest in Florida.

GatorRade · 12-13-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

Duh! That is why we are debating it. Just so happens I am right. Why? Cause I said so.

By the way, I am not disagreeing with your conclusion that Donovan is a better cultivator of NBA talent than Coach K. I certainly wouldn't argue the opposite. What I disagree is your confidence in such an assertion, given the lack of data (and being that you are a Florida fan, you're not exactly an impartial observer).

StrangeGator · 12-13-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RD_gator

If Parker wants to learn an all-around game than he should pick Florida & Billy Donovan. I could potentially see the following line-up (or another combination) for 2013-14 Florida:

PG: Kasey Hill/Wilbekin/Ogbueze
SG: Jabari Parker (he could be the Gators' version of Kevin Durant)
SF: Prather/Frazier
PF: Chris Walker/Finney Smith
C: Damonte-Harris

Don't see a line-up like that under Billy. More likely…

PG: Kasey Hill/Wilbekin/Ogbueze
SG- Frazier/Wilbeken/Graham
SF- Parker/Finney-Smith/Prather
PF- Walker/Yeguette/Prather
C- Damonte-Harris/Walker/Yegutte

I think Parker would like redefine the SF position than play SG. Could actually see him playing some PF if there wasn't already such a logjam.

What's Duke's situation a SF?

UFG8rGuy3283 · 12-13-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StrangeGator

Don't see a line-up like that under Billy. More likely…

PG: Kasey Hill/Wilbekin/Ogbueze
SG- Frazier/Wilbeken/Graham
SF- Parker/Finney-Smith/Prather
PF- Walker/Yeguette/Prather
C- Damonte-Harris/Walker/Yegutte

I think Parker would like redefine the SF position than play SG. Could actually see him playing some PF if there wasn't already such a logjam.

What's Duke's situation a SF?

Agreed. That lineup would be much more likely given the players listed. Parker, imo, might actually be a great fit at that stretch 4 position.

What I am excited for is if Randle comes. I mean, talk about ridiculous front court depth.

Based on what I've seen, Walker seems much more likely to see significant time at the 5 here than the 4, but I've only seen him play a handful of times.

Either way, next years team is going to be ridiculous and maybe the best ever at UF just from a sheer talent perspective (the '04s and the 2000 team in the mix there too obviously).

**Apeman** · 12-14-2012, 02:10 AM

I can't believe so many people have Yeguete starting on the bench next season. Really?!?

InstiGATOR1 · 12-14-2012, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Apeman

I can't believe so many people have Yeguete starting on the bench next season. Really?!?

My view of next year's depth chart is:

PG: Wilbekin, Hill
SG: Frazier, Graham
SF: Finney-Smith, Prather
PF: Yeguete, C. Walker
C: Harris

So we have an open slot for a big, hopefully Randle.

As it stands now each of the players listed above will play starter or close to starter minutes. If UF does not get Randle or anyone else, then Prather or Finney-Smith will log some minutes at the 4. That will expand the minutes of D.Walker.

int1974 · 12-14-2012, 06:00 AM

So hill starts over Wilbekin from day 1, or do both start in BC?

gatordd · 12-14-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by int1974

So hill starts over Wilbekin from day 1, or do both start in BC?

Kasey Hill will play a ton of minutes no matter who we have

REM08 · 12-14-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gatordd

Kasey Hill will play a ton of minutes no matter who we have

Agree. He'll be too good to keep off the floor - I don't care what kind of depth you have.

UFG8rGuy3283 · 12-14-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by REM08

Agree. He'll be too good to keep off the floor - I don't care what kind of depth you have.

Absolutely. He is as explosive a player as I've seen at the PG position. He reminds me personally a lot of Steve Francis or a less selfish Iverson.

StrangeGator · 12-14-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by int1974

So hill starts over Wilbekin from day 1, or do both start in BC?

Wilbeken's experience and his exceptional defensive skills will be valuable and he may get starters minutes going back and forth between the two guard positions. Frazier may run into match ups that exploit his lack of experience. Hill plays at such an intense level, he will need frequent rests.

NoahBeanBizzel · 12-15-2012, 08:05 AM

Donovan did a great job of developing players like Haslem, David Lee and Chandler Parsons. All of those players took their game(s) to entirely different levels in their respective senior seasons. I also think Billy did a great job with the '04s. None of them-except MAYBE Brewer-were considered elite high school talents, yet he turned the four of them into one of the most dominant forces in recent college basketball history.

Donovan is as good at developing talent as anyone coaching in college basketball.

InstiGATOR1 · 12-15-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by StrangeGator

Wilbeken's experience and his exceptional defensive skills will be valuable and he may get starters minutes going back and forth between the two guard positions. Frazier may run into match ups that exploit his lack of experience. Hill plays at such an intense level, he will need frequent rests.

Players of Hill's and for that matter C.Walker's stature recruiting wise play about 18+ minutes as Frosh for Donovan. Some have started like Beal, Boynton, Calathes, Brewer, Miller etc others has come off the bench like Young, Roberson, Lee, Harvey, Nelson etc., but they play essentially starter minutes.

RD_gator · 12-20-2012, 11:11 AM

Today is the day of the announcement!

Jrok79 · 12-20-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RD_gator

Today is the day of the announcement!

And the Gators feel good with where they stand.