Gator Country

snake · 12-12-2012, 02:19 PM

Will Parker be a Gator, Spartan, or Blue Devil?! Thoughts, Hopefully from bullis!

pinecrestgator · 12-12-2012, 02:23 PM

Being in final consideration from a star public school player from Chicago is truly a testament to how far donovan has raised the profile of gator basketball.

madgator · 12-12-2012, 02:50 PM

Duke or Michigan St.

no way he wears orange and blue.....great thought though!

your_perfect_enemy · 12-12-2012, 03:00 PM

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Duke or Michigan St.

no way he wears orange and blue.....great thought though!

These two are who his dad thinks are the leaders.

don23lucia · 12-12-2012, 03:03 PM

All signs are pointing to Duke or MichSt, but nothing says that he trimmed his list yet prior to his announcement.

tupacbiff · 12-12-2012, 03:25 PM

It's a pretty simple decision. By all accounts he is a future pro so he should pick somewhere that will have the greatest long term impact on his pro potential. In order they are:

1) UF
2) duke
3) much st

Very simple comparison beal to
Rivers. Who benefited more from their year in college? Not even close Beal.

GatorRade · 12-12-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

It's a pretty simple decision. By all accounts he is a future pro so he should pick somewhere that will have the greatest long term impact on his pro potential. In order they are:

1) UF
2) duke
3) much st

Very simple comparison beal to
Rivers. Who benefited more from their year in college? Not even close Beal.

I love our program, but I'm not really sure how you can say this Beal/Rivers comparison had anything to do with our program vs. Duke's. First, we haven't seen either of these players' long-term potential. They just got to the NBA. If you are only talking about draft order, maybe Beal was just always a better player than Rivers? In addition, we occasionally get the opposite effect. Brett Nelson and Joakim Noah are two examples of players whose NBA stock dropped while playing for Florida.

I don't think he could do much better than to come here, but I also don't think he could do much worse with either Duke or Mich St.

tupacbiff · 12-12-2012, 03:48 PM

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I love our program, but I'm not really sure how you can say this Beal/Rivers comparison had anything to do with our program vs. Duke's. First, we haven't seen either of these players' long-term potential. They just got to the NBA. If you are only talking about draft order, maybe Beal was just always a better player than Rivers? In addition, we occasionally get the opposite effect. Brett Nelson and Joakim Noah are two examples of players whose NBA stock dropped while playing for Florida.

I don't think he could do much better than to come here, but I also don't think he could do much worse with either Duke or Mich St.

Are u nuts? Noah stock dropped at UF? He came in not even remotely on the nba radar. His stock dropped when he returned to school for his last year. However that was from the proj #1 pick to down a bit.

Look at success in the nba of recent gators v duke players. No comparison really.

ETGator1 · 12-12-2012, 04:14 PM

I thought BYU was in it?

GatorRade · 12-12-2012, 04:32 PM

[quote=tupacbiff;6236482]Are u nuts? v

What a pleasant reply.

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Noah stock dropped at UF? He came in not even remotely on the nba radar. His stock dropped when he returned to school for his last year. However that was from the proj #1 pick to down a bit.

Yes, it dropped from his second year to his third, just as you are saying. If you attribute draft stock changes to the program, you have to attribute that to the program as well.

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Look at success in the nba of recent gators v duke players. No comparison really.

You are missing my point. I am not saying that I can't judge their NBA players against ours. What I am saying is that this success is not 100% derived from the college the player attended. It very well could be that we are simply just selecting the better NBA players.

tupacbiff · 12-12-2012, 04:39 PM

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Are u nuts? v

What a pleasant reply.

Yes, it dropped from his second year to his third, just as you are saying. If you attribute draft stock changes to the program, you have to attribute that to the program as well.

You are missing my point. I am not saying that I can't judge their NBA players against ours. What I am saying is that this success is not 100% derived from the college the player attended. It very well could be that we are simply just selecting the better NBA players.

So let me get this straight...u hold it against UF that Noah went from not on the nba radar to proj #1 pick. However because he opted to return and dropped a few spots that is a negative? I'm sorry but that seems like a poor logicial train of thought.

I think in the UF v duke nba comparison. UF does better with unheralded players and highly ranked players.

GatorRade · 12-12-2012, 05:14 PM

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So let me get this straight...u hold it against UF that Noah went from not on the nba radar to proj #1 pick. However because he opted to return and dropped a few spots that is a negative? I'm sorry but that seems like a poor logicial train of thought.

No, not at all. I am the one who believes that most of these players talents and skills are derived from within, rather than from their colleges. Beal was good before we even signed him. Donovan can help them on their way, but he can only help those that are willing and able. So I don't hold the program responsible for Noah's drop. But nor do I hold it responsible for Noah's ascension, which is what you are doing. If this is the whole case, then Kentucky is the best place to develop talent.

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I think in the UF v duke nba comparison. UF does better with unheralded players and highly ranked players.

Maybe, but again these aren't 1 to 1 comparisons. How are you going to compare JJ Reddick's NBA performance with Matt Bonner's or Mike Miller's or Chandler Parsons'? They are all very different players, so it's a flawed comparison.

REM08 · 12-12-2012, 05:23 PM

The problem with comparing Beal and Rivers is that one is Beal and the other is Rivers. You can talk about hype or previous rankings/projections all you want, but unless Rivers would have been picked 3rd in last years draft had he attended UF instead of Beal, its hard to draw any conclusions.

GatorRade · 12-12-2012, 05:49 PM

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The problem with comparing Beal and Rivers is that one is Beal and the other is Rivers. You can talk about hype or previous rankings/projections all you want, but unless Rivers would have been picked 3rd in last years draft had he attended UF instead of Beal, its hard to draw any conclusions.

Exactly. It may not be the most fun for message board banter, but you really can't get any truthful info about UF and Duke from these player comparisons.

tupacbiff · 12-12-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by REM08

The problem with comparing Beal and Rivers is that one is Beal and the other is Rivers. You can talk about hype or previous rankings/projections all you want, but unless Rivers would have been picked 3rd in last years draft had he attended UF instead of Beal, its hard to draw any conclusions.

Duh! That is why we are debating it. Just so happens I am right. Why? Cause I said so.

Gatorrick22 · 12-12-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

I love our program, but I'm not really sure how you can say this Beal/Rivers comparison had anything to do with our program vs. Duke's. First, we haven't seen either of these players' long-term potential. They just got to the NBA. If you are only talking about draft order, maybe Beal was just always a better player than Rivers? In addition, we occasionally get the opposite effect. Brett Nelson and Joakim Noah are two examples of players whose NBA stock dropped while playing for Florida.

I don't think he could do much better than to come here, but I also don't think he could do much worse with either Duke or Mich St.

One could (rightfully) say that coach Donavon has done more with less than coach K has.

UFG8rGuy3283 · 12-12-2012, 06:58 PM

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Exactly. It may not be the most fun for message board banter, but you really can't get any truthful info about UF and Duke from these player comparisons.

I agree with Tupac here in the sense that for his pro development, he would get more out of coming to UF. Donovan has proven he can put less celebrated players in the pros and they end up being solid players. And Beal proves he can take elite talented 1 & dones and help them become top 5 draft picks. Many Duke players come in highly rated and flop in the pros or end up disappointing.

I'm not saying the Rivers-Beal comparisons give the best indication of the differences between the 2 schools, but I completely disagree with the Noah comment. If he goes as a sophmore, he's the #1 pick most likely. It was a matter of circumstance rather than talent.

In addition, Parker will probably not end up here, but he would be ridiculous in this offense. Period. I wish him well wherever he lands, but Randle sees how well BD can help slow things down after playing for him this summer and we are starting to become a pro factory. I love what BD is doing in all aspects of the program.

tommyuf21 · 12-12-2012, 07:53 PM

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I'm not saying the Rivers-Beal comparisons give the best indication of the differences between the 2 schools, but I completely disagree with the Noah comment. If he goes as a sophmore, he's the #1 pick most likely. It was a matter of circumstance rather than talent.

Just compare the top 10 picks from each draft and if you can't see a difference in talent, then you're blind as a bat.

Adam Morrison was the third pick in 2006. That tells you everything.

Noah didn't lose draft status because of UF or even his own performance.

REM08 · 12-12-2012, 08:01 PM

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Just compare the top 10 picks from each draft and if you can't see a difference in talent, then you're blind as a bat.

Adam Morrison was the third pick in 2006. That tells you everything.

Noah didn't lose draft status because of UF or even his own performance.

Are we going with hindsight or where he actually would have been picked. No question that was a weak draft, but I'm not sure most would have projected him first overall that year preceding the draft.

UFG8rGuy3283 · 12-12-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyuf21

Just compare the top 10 picks from each draft and if you can't see a difference in talent, then you're blind as a bat.

Adam Morrison was the third pick in 2006. That tells you everything.

Noah didn't lose draft status because of UF or even his own performance.

I think the way I wrote that may have come across wrong. My statement should have been, it was a matter of circumstance due to the difference in overall draft talent between the 2 years, not because of Noah's talent.