12-06-2012, 12:55 PM
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If BD consistently wins 25 to 30 games per season for the next 20 yrs, he would easily pass Coach K. The question becomes will he still be coaching 20 yrs from now and will he stay in the college game or decide to bolt between now and then. Love him or hate him, what Coach K has done at Duke is remarkable. The fact that it would take Billy at least more 20 yrs of coaching at a high level to get close to Coach K says it all.
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12-06-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ApexNC
Also add to the mix that K did it at Army and DUKE. Donovan has accomplished similar results at Marshall and Florida. Makes Coach Donovan even more impressive, IMO.
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I'm not sure about this. If I am not mistaken, Duke wasn't really that good before he got there. Its before my time though, so can anyone speak to this?
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12-06-2012, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorRade
I'm not sure about this. If I am not mistaken, Duke wasn't really that good before he got there. Its before my time though, so can anyone speak to this?
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Duke made an NCAA final in the late 70s under Bill Foster, I believe, then quickly faded, ultimately leading to the K hiring.
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12-06-2012, 02:20 PM
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Yes that is true... 1978 Duke lost to Kentucky in the final. They had Mike Gminski, Gene Banks, and Spanarkel...Kentucy had Goose Givens and beat them. I think they struggled after that and then hired Coach K.
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12-06-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TampaGatorFan
Billy D and Coach K are the two best college hoops coaches in the nation right now, IMHO.
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I'd add Izzo and that's clearly the trio of top coaches for last 15 years.
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12-06-2012, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ufgator4ever
I'd add Izzo and that's clearly the trio of top coaches for last 15 years.
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Hard to argue there are any better, but not a chance that "clearly" is the case.
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12-06-2012, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorRade
I'm not sure about this. If I am not mistaken, Duke wasn't really that good before he got there. Its before my time though, so can anyone speak to this?
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They were nothing like as good as they are now. On the other hand, neither were we. At all. Duke was at least an ACC team. We were a team from the conference that has Kentucky and some other teams that no one really talks about.
Actually, the other posters are wrong about Coach K's predecessor. After going to the final in 78, Duke also went past the first round in the NCAAs during the next two years. (I don't know why Foster left, but it was not because of his record.) It is true that when Coach K took over, they had a few rebuilding years (under Coach K) and did not make the tourney again until '84.
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12-06-2012, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MJGator8104
One inference from those stats is that BD is far more likely to win it all if he actually makes it to the final four...
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Maybe.
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12-06-2012, 04:31 PM
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this post should remain at the top. billy d is the greatest coach ever at the unversity.
only place i ever see him leaving for would be unc or duke. unc will be all over him once roy gets canned for academic fraud.
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12-06-2012, 04:38 PM
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[quote=traubgator;6224102]this post should remain at the top. billy d is the greatest coach ever at the unversity.
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Mike Holloway has something to say about that...
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12-06-2012, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ufgator4ever
I'd add Izzo and that's clearly the trio of top coaches for last 15 years.
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Yup...I was thinking of Izzo when I posted that. He's right up there...and I really like his style, too.
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12-06-2012, 08:25 PM
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There have always been several standout coaches in college BB.
It is really quite difficult to do any legitimate comparisons, but it is certainly hard to argue with John Wooden's Million National Championships at UCLA.
Of course, when he won those, the NCAA tournament involved 16 teams, so 4 wins got you a championship.
This is one of many reasons why it is amazingly difficult to make legitimate comparisons.
However, if you judge by recruiting prowess, then Billy D has got to be one of the best of all time, comparable to Mac Brown in football.
Prior to Billy D's tenure at Florida, the school had recruited a grand total of 3 MacDonald's All Americans during it's entire basketball history. He had beaten that by his 3rd year, with Dupay and Miller in year 2, followed by Nelson and Harvey in year 3.
Billy D is certainly one of the best coaches in the history of college basketball and he is so very player oriented and honorable while accomplishing such feats.
Hats off to Billy D.
Coach K is pretty outstanding also, and very honorable also. I have great respect for him, but, as was noted, Duke usually does manage to have a fairly easy path to the final 4, which may help explain why he has been there so many times.
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12-07-2012, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by qwghlmgator
Is it OK if we consider Billy to have 3.5 Final Fours? I'm still pissed about last year.  |
Almost as bad as the swindle. Still bitter. We would have probably won it all.
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12-07-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by trufloridagator
Almost as bad as the swindle. Still bitter. We would have probably won it all.
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I assume that you are not talking about last year where we would have faced at UK team that beat us three times already.
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12-07-2012, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GatorRade
I assume that you are not talking about last year where we would have faced at UK team that beat us three times already.
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It was a year old post he was replying to, it was in reference to the Butler game.
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12-07-2012, 08:42 AM
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[quote=vbmatt;6224125]
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Originally Posted by traubgator
this post should remain at the top. billy d is the greatest coach ever at the unversity.
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Mike Holloway has something to say about that...
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no he doesn't
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12-07-2012, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by your_perfect_enemy
It was a year old post he was replying to, it was in reference to the Butler game.
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Thanks. I was assuming it would have fit better with that year, but I didn't see the time stamp. I think we would have been very competitive in that final 4.
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12-07-2012, 09:27 AM
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12-07-2012, 09:32 AM
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Boeheim has got to be on the list of best coaches in the country.
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12-07-2012, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by EvenParGator
Boeheim has got to be on the list of best coaches in the country.
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Boeheim is all about longevity. With all those talented teams he has one NC. But he has lots of Big East championships when the Big East was THE power conference. He has three FF so that is a separator right there as well.
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