12-01-2012, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by newmexicogator
Which is fine. But WM is the same guy who wanted Johnny Manziel to play safety. So lets not assume coaches are correct all the time.
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From Muschamp's point of view it is still too early to say who is "wrong". If you believe college football is a development league for the pros, then there is an argument for Timmy Tebow being scouted as a linebacker being "correct" despite his Heisman and resumé as a QB. Johnny Manziel may win a Heisman and break all the NCAA records as a college QB, but if he falters as a pro QB some could argue that he coulda-woulda-shoulda been scouted as a DB, in terms of NFL success.
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12-01-2012, 11:59 AM
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Coach Muschamp was the defensive coordinator, CIW.
Understandably, he is interested in defense. Perhaps recruiting him to play QB would have been someone else's responsibility, like either the head coach or the OC.
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12-01-2012, 02:42 PM
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What was Muschamp supposed to do? Recruit Manziel to play quarterback when he was defensive coordinator? His job was overseeing defensive prospects at Texas.
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12-01-2012, 02:46 PM
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Ive heard many times people say that Trey Burton should be on the other side of the ball. Some guys would probably be good/great no matter where they play. It doesnt mean that the coach doesnt know what he is doing.
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12-01-2012, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by grant1
Different coaches have different philosophies in recruiting. Apparently Muschamp shares the honest approach as does Spurrier. I remember a battle with Phil Fulmer for an OT/DT. Kid wanted to play DT, Spurrier told him his future was OT. Phil said DT was OK and he signed with UT. He swicthed to OT in first year and went on to start in NFL at OT. Spurrier was right, but we lost the recruit.
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Same thing happened with Jason Whitten. He wanted to play defensive end at Michigan, but Lloyd Carr told him he was a tight end. Fulmer offered him a chance to start out on defense, then moved him to the position he would make millions off later.
I don't necessarily think it is "honest" against "dishonest," so much as a test to see by some to see how coachable a kid is and how much he wants to play for you or at your school. Zook wasn't dishonest with Cohen when he promised him a shot at running back, but everyone knew his future was on the defensive line.
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12-04-2012, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AFCyberGator
From Muschamp's point of view it is still too early to say who is "wrong". If you believe college football is a development league for the pros, then there is an argument for Timmy Tebow being scouted as a linebacker being "correct" despite his Heisman and resumé as a QB. Johnny Manziel may win a Heisman and break all the NCAA records as a college QB, but if he falters as a pro QB some could argue that he coulda-woulda-shoulda been scouted as a DB, in terms of NFL success.
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Remind me again when Boom got hired as a GM and quit being a college football coach? Seriously, if the dude wins the Heisman, Boom was wrong its not complicated, his job is to win college football games if you don't think a Heisman winner helps us beat Georgia well I don't know what to tell you.
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12-04-2012, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by socraticsilence
Remind me again when Boom got hired as a GM and quit being a college football coach? Seriously, if the dude wins the Heisman, Boom was wrong its not complicated, his job is to win college football games if you don't think a Heisman winner helps us beat Georgia well I don't know what to tell you.
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He's not wrong, he could have been a heisman DB too. We'll never know.
Same with Timmy. He could have been the best LB, we'll never know.
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12-04-2012, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AFCyberGator
From Muschamp's point of view it is still too early to say who is "wrong". If you believe college football is a development league for the pros, then there is an argument for Timmy Tebow being scouted as a linebacker being "correct" despite his Heisman and resumé as a QB. Johnny Manziel may win a Heisman and break all the NCAA records as a college QB, but if he falters as a pro QB some could argue that he coulda-woulda-shoulda been scouted as a DB, in terms of NFL success.
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He might have made a good blocking back for Jones and Taylor!
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12-04-2012, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by socraticsilence
Remind me again when Boom got hired as a GM and quit being a college football coach? Seriously, if the dude wins the Heisman, Boom was wrong its not complicated, his job is to win college football games if you don't think a Heisman winner helps us beat Georgia well I don't know what to tell you.
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Muschamp was a DEFENSIVE coach at Texas. It was not his job to guage offensive talent. manziel does not have prototypical size, it would have been risky to sign him at QB.
Personally I think Muschamp has been really good at sizing up talent. many of our better players are in their first or seond year of college football. It is amazing that Muchamp has had that much success evaluating talent. Meyer had some good years and some awful years recruiting if you track how those 4/5 star players actually performed with us. About 10 of those ended up transferring from Florida and few have made any impact at the schools they transferred to. Other than harvin and spot opportunities for Tebow, freshmen rarely played under Meyer's tenure.
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12-04-2012, 05:42 PM
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Socratic is a gnome. Don't pay him any mind.
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12-08-2012, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 1984Gator
Muschamp was a DEFENSIVE coach at Texas. It was not his job to guage offensive talent. manziel does not have prototypical size, it would have been risky to sign him at QB.
Personally I think Muschamp has been really good at sizing up talent. many of our better players are in their first or seond year of college football. It is amazing that Muchamp has had that much success evaluating talent. Meyer had some good years and some awful years recruiting if you track how those 4/5 star players actually performed with us. About 10 of those ended up transferring from Florida and few have made any impact at the schools they transferred to. Other than harvin and spot opportunities for Tebow, freshmen rarely played under Meyer's tenure.
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Some of you guys have no clue how recruiting works.
Coaches are given territories to recruit. Greg mattison recruited Brandon James . Brian white recruited Ronald Powell . Muscuamps job was to identify talent that can improve the team . Lets accept he misjudged manziel.
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12-08-2012, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicho
Socratic is a gnome. Don't pay him any mind.
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Ditto. He's a horrible poster.
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12-08-2012, 12:43 PM
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Manziel had a good year. Who is to say he isn't a product of a system and he does have 2 first round linemen. Case Keenum put up gaudy numbers under Sumlin. Manziel has better talent around him. If he keeps this up for 2-3 more years then we can say muschamp might have whiffed a bit. There was a certain coach that wanted RGIII as a receiver. Now that is a miss.
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12-08-2012, 02:20 PM
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He did misjudge Manziel, but then again many coaches did. Every coach misjudges players from time to time. Example- Meyer recruiting Denard Robinson as a WR, not QB.
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12-08-2012, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1984Gator
Muschamp was a DEFENSIVE coach at Texas. It was not his job to guage offensive talent. manziel does not have prototypical size, it would have been risky to sign him at QB.
Personally I think Muschamp has been really good at sizing up talent. many of our better players are in their first or seond year of college football. It is amazing that Muchamp has had that much success evaluating talent. Meyer had some good years and some awful years recruiting if you track how those 4/5 star players actually performed with us. About 10 of those ended up transferring from Florida and few have made any impact at the schools they transferred to. Other than harvin and spot opportunities for Tebow, freshmen rarely played under Meyer's tenure.
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I don't agree with this. Haden and Janoris Jenkins both started as TF, day 1 too I think. The Pouncey's played in their frosh years. Trattou played his first year I believe. Brandon James saw action from day 1. A lot of kids saw action on special teams.
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12-08-2012, 04:21 PM
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Freshmen played under Meyer, but he rarely had freshmen touch the ball on offense except for Harvin and Tebow (and Burton)
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12-08-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SECund2nun
He did misjudge Manziel, but then again many coaches did. Every coach misjudges players from time to time. Example- Meyer recruiting Denard Robinson as a WR, not QB.
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Denard is a WR
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12-11-2012, 04:27 PM
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12-11-2012, 05:00 PM
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So this thread isn't about Derrick Henry? I would still like to know why he got kicked out of the UF game on his visit.
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12-11-2012, 05:54 PM
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Who dat.
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