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ArtVandelay · 11-30-2012, 08:35 AM

Buzz disagrees with Tupac...

"I've never been beat this bad in my entire career," fifth-year Marquette coach Buzz Williams said. "In 179 games as a head coach, that's the worst loss. Not close."

akaGatorhoops · 11-30-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fox

Young has been extremely mature and level headed from the day he stepped on campus. His work ethic and sincerity has been awesome, with a humility rarely seen for such a strong big man. DO we all need a nudge now and again - yes!

He's a beast, BD knows he can be beastier. The ploy says a lot more about BD than it does about Young.

I agree with all of the above, with exception to the highlighted area. As recently as last week, Billy has made comment beginning with the preface . . . "when he plays hard". Last year, clashes over his intensity and practice efforts boiled over and culminated in Tony Dungy calling PY. He is a nice kid, a talented player and a physical beast.... but if we are being truthful, he has not shown a strong, sustained work ethic. That is not a component of his game or makeup that I can honestly call "awesome".

tupacbiff · 11-30-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

Buzz disagrees with Tupac...

"I've never been beat this bad in my entire career," fifth-year Marquette coach Buzz Williams said. "In 179 games as a head coach, that's the worst loss. Not close."

Am I missing something? How is he disagreeing?

**oxymoron** · 11-30-2012, 08:44 AM

The bench is a coach's best friend according to John Wooden.

**GeauxGators05** · 11-30-2012, 08:49 AM

There isn't any team in the country we would be unable to match up with. Defense wins championships in all sports. College basketball is no exception. This Marquette team lost a buzzer beater to Butler. That is a team which competes with the top tier teams well and showed evidence by beating North Carolina by 11 a day after beating Marquette by 1 on the last shot. This Gator group has intensity and focus and brings it on the defensive side. If we stay out of foul trouble and avoid injuries, this team will have a final four destiny.

ArtVandelay · 11-30-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

Am I missing something? How is he disagreeing?

I'm guessing Buzz would have given some 8's and 9's for the worst beating he has ever taken...

themistocles · 11-30-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ApexNC

I absolutely LOVE that we're ticked off for being thrown into the 3-8 group!

An astute observation Apex.

rserina · 11-30-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

I agree with all of the above, with exception to the highlighted area. As recently as last week, Billy has made comment beginning with the preface . . . "when he plays hard". Last year, clashes over his intensity and practice efforts boiled over and culminated in Tony Dungy calling PY. He is a nice kid, a talented player and a physical beat.... but if we are being truthful, he has not shown a strong, sustained work ethic. That is not a component of his game or makeup that I can honestly call "awesome".

Nitpicking here, but I would probably distinguish work ethic from Young's problem, which has more to do with intensity. He works incredibly hard. Just recall some of those training videos from the offseason. His ability to sustain intensity, in part because of his fairly sanguine personality and in part because at his size he has never needed to play with consistent intensity to dominate a game, has been the real issue. That is what inhibits him from fighting through fatigue, not his ability to work hard. Odds are that you don't look like a defensive end in a basketball uniform without a willingness to work.

We've had a mix of bigs over the years who because of their natural competitiveness were able to play consistently hard (Haslem, Bonner, Noah, Horford) and we've had others for whom it was a struggle (Lee, Richard, Speights, Macklin his first year). Young is definitely in the latter group to date, but I see no reason he can't climb out of it the way Lee did the second half of his senior year, when he averaged over ten boards in league play and earned himself a spot in the first round, or Richard did when he shot 85% (!) in league play his senior year or Macklin did when he shot 77% the second half of his senior season. It comes as nor surprise that those three teams all improved (immensely so in the case of the Lee and Macklin years) right along with they more consistent effort of those bigs on the court. I am optimistic we see the same thing this year.

don23lucia · 11-30-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dailydoublecat

You guys have to be thrilled here it is November and you guys are way ahead of schedule!! I'm very happy for the Gator basketball fans on this site. I absolutely love Donovans style of play, the unselfishness, and the shooting ability of nearly the whole team. Kudos on a great start. Hold on to your hats your going onto big things with this group.
Jeff

Thanks Jeff, the effort on D and the fact that we have been able to sub in so far without really missing a beat has been huge hopefully we can sustain this kind of effort throughout and it will be a special season.

GatorRade · 11-30-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

So point out where u disagree.

Personally, I'd say Young deserves better than a 6. He was an enforcer, flashed some nice moves, forced steals, passed well, and denied the post with authority. If that is his 6, his 10 must be a sight to behold.

rserina · 11-30-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorRade

Personally, I'd say Young deserves better than a 6. He was an enforcer, flashed some nice moves, forced steals, passed well, and denied the post with authority. If that is his 6, his 10 must be a sight to behold.

I believe a "10" is Tupac raining threes at the local YMCA (not implying anything with the YMCA part, of course).

demosthenes · 11-30-2012, 09:17 AM

It's actually refreshing to see someone not throwing around 8s and 9s and 10s all the time. Collectively I'd day the grades are a bit low for a 30 point thrashing but can understand most of the individual scores.

philnotfil · 11-30-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tupacbiff

Rosario, 4: Typical Mike game. Some good and some bad. 6-6 from the foul line

I thought that the scoring system gave a 5 for the typical game?

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Announcers, 1: I dont think 30 sec went by without Franchilla mentioning Young's benching and his lack of motor/fatigue issues. It was beyond beating a dead horse it was OCD like. For a guy with such knowledge about players you would think he would have something interesting to say but never did.

I would have given them a lower score. Not only was there the repetitive talking about Young, then there were the large stretches where they were just sitting around talking college basketball, instead of talking about the game they were watching.

GatorRade · 11-30-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rserina

I believe a "10" is Tupac raining threes at the local YMCA (not implying anything with the YMCA part, of course).

Indeed it would be a sight to behold.

akaGatorhoops · 11-30-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rserina

Nitpicking here, but I would probably distinguish work ethic from Young's problem, which has more to do with intensity. He works incredibly hard. Just recall some of those training videos from the offseason. His ability to sustain intensity, in part because of his fairly sanguine personality and in part because at his size he has never needed to play with consistent intensity to dominate a game, has been the real issue. That is what inhibits him from fighting through fatigue, not his ability to work hard. Odds are that you don't look like a defensive end in a basketball uniform without a willingness to work.

I would agree, other than Billy's criticisms of practice habits would point to a "work ethic" component. Still . . . it is semantics.

gatorump · 11-30-2012, 11:10 AM

I have coached basketball for about 6 years now and I must say that I was blessed/cursed with player that only comes around once in a small town like this. This player led our team in points, rebounds, steals, assists and blocks yet I never felt I was able to reach the full potential. I have said it was like I was running a dairy farm and all the cows were capable of only giving like one gallon a day. Some days I would get a gallon and some I would get a little more or a little less, but I could count on it being close. Then I had a super cow who was capable of between 5-7 gallons yet all they ever gave me was 2 or 3. Now it was still more than all the other cows, yet I knew there was more milk to be had. It was very frustrating seeing the potential not being met. So I understand BD's dilemma, yet unlike BD I didn't have any other options.
That being said I am loving this team, I think we are very well balanced and poised to make a run.

**g8tr82** · 11-30-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorump

I have coached basketball for about 6 years now and I must say that I was blessed/cursed with player that only comes around once in a small town like this. This player led our team in points, rebounds, steals, assists and blocks yet I never felt I was able to reach the full potential. I have said it was like I was running a dairy farm and all the cows were capable of only giving like one gallon a day. Some days I would get a gallon and some I would get a little more or a little less, but I could count on it being close. Then I had a super cow who was capable of between 5-7 gallons yet all they ever gave me was 2 or 3. Now it was still more than all the other cows, yet I knew there was more milk to be had. It was very frustrating seeing the potential not being met. So I understand BD's dilemma, yet unlike BD I didn't have any other options.
That being said I am loving this team, I think we are very well balanced and poised to make a run.

Love the analogy, and great for our sponsors

g8rboy · 11-30-2012, 11:26 AM

as long as they aren't getting kicked out of the practice facility things are good

ArtVandelay · 11-30-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by philnotfil

I would have given them a lower score. Not only was there the repetitive talking about Young, then there were the large stretches where they were just sitting around talking college basketball, instead of talking about the game they were watching.

You usually get that in a 30 point blowout...

akaGatorhoops · 11-30-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorump

I have coached basketball for about 6 years now and I must say that I was blessed/cursed with player that only comes around once in a small town like this. This player led our team in points, rebounds, steals, assists and blocks yet I never felt I was able to reach the full potential. I have said it was like I was running a dairy farm and all the cows were capable of only giving like one gallon a day. Some days I would get a gallon and some I would get a little more or a little less, but I could count on it being close. Then I had a super cow who was capable of between 5-7 gallons yet all they ever gave me was 2 or 3. Now it was still more than all the other cows, yet I knew there was more milk to be had. It was very frustrating seeing the potential not being met. So I understand BD's dilemma, yet unlike BD I didn't have any other options.
That being said I am loving this team, I think we are very well balanced and poised to make a run.

Great analogy!!!

Though to date this season, I am not sure PY has been producing 2-3x more than his "single gallon" teammates.