11-29-2012, 09:16 PM
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Spurs Rest 4, Stern Threatens "Substantial Sanctions"
He just needs to retire already. The Spurs made a decision to rest their players who had played 4 games in 5 nights and 3 road games since Miami even played. They are still keeping it close at half-time anyway.
Is Stern warranted in fining them?
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11-29-2012, 09:18 PM
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The NBA is a business - an entertainment business. People paid a substantial amount of money to see Spurs-Heat and they're delivered a vastly inferior product than what was advertised.
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11-29-2012, 09:19 PM
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I have hated Stern for a long time. He is the NBA "Nazi". He has no place to punish teams or coaches for coaching decisions on players playing time.
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11-29-2012, 09:28 PM
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Popovich has done this seven other times in the past. Stern didn't say a thing in the past. Who is Stern to tell a coach and a team who and how they should run their team. Is Stern going to start managing minutes every game too?
I think what happened here was that the NBA setup the Spurs. They purposely had them play 4 games in 5 days with the expectation of having a rested Heat embarrass them on a National TV night. Pop basically put up his middle finger and Stern is now pissed.
Curious what major sanction will he come up with? I don't see Stern winning this one.
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11-29-2012, 10:04 PM
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Not sure what basis Stern has for sanctions. Next time the spurs can just say they are all injured. Stern needed to retire two years ago.
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11-29-2012, 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dakcman
The NBA is a business - an entertainment business. People paid a substantial amount of money to see Spurs-Heat and they're delivered a vastly inferior product than what was advertised.
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^^^^Agree with this. And Stern's stance.
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11-29-2012, 10:05 PM
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And I really really hope the spurs win, and then Stern enforces sanctions. What a dolt
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11-29-2012, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by channingcrowderhungry
And I really really hope the spurs win, and then Stern enforces sanctions. What a dolt
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The outcome of the game has no relevance. The NBA is an entertainment organization. People paid money for tickets to see Duncan, Parker, Ginobili. TNT paid a lot of money to televise the game nationally. People put a lot of money on the game in Vegas well before it was announced the foursome didn't even travel with the team. This is bad business and the NBA, above ALL else, is a business.
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“I told them in the locker room: I don’t want anybody to forget this season,” Muschamp said. “I don’t want anybody to forget the frustration, the tough times, the guys that weren’t committed to our program and wanting to do it the right way. As we move forward, understand the type of commitment it’s going to take to be successful and to do the type of things you’ve got to do to be successful."
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11-29-2012, 10:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dakcman
The outcome of the game has no relevance. The NBA is an entertainment organization. People paid money for tickets to see Duncan, Parker, Ginobili. TNT paid a lot of money to televise the game nationally. People put a lot of money on the game in Vegas well before it was announced the foursome didn't even travel with the team. This is bad business and the NBA, above ALL else, is a business.
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and the reason i never watch the nba.
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11-29-2012, 10:33 PM
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Who the hell is Stern to tell Pop who plays and who sits? He knows more about putting his team in a position to win then Stern does. Did Stern care when teams were tanking at the end of last season? Did he care when teams were sitting starters and bringing up Dleague players then? How does a commissioner think he can coach teams? This is beyond his duties.
To the fans that attend the games, they should know that the Spurs have a history of resting in the season. If you go to a Spurs game after they've played 3/4 straight games you should know the consequences.
Stern is going to look real stupid if the Spurs win this game.
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Originally Posted by dakcman
The outcome of the game has no relevance. The NBA is an entertainment organization. People paid money for tickets to see Duncan, Parker, Ginobili. TNT paid a lot of money to televise the game nationally. People put a lot of money on the game in Vegas well before it was announced the foursome didn't even travel with the team. This is bad business and the NBA, above ALL else, is a business.
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11-29-2012, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dakcman
The outcome of the game has no relevance. The NBA is an entertainment organization. People paid money for tickets to see Duncan, Parker, Ginobili. TNT paid a lot of money to televise the game nationally. People put a lot of money on the game in Vegas well before it was announced the foursome didn't even travel with the team. This is bad business and the NBA, above ALL else, is a business.
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So if the fans paid less and TNT paid less and gamblers paid less it would be okay??? What if tickets were $1 and TNT paid $5?? You're either against the principle of the matter or you're not, but arguing the cost is the wrong argument to make.
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11-29-2012, 10:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dakcman
The outcome of the game has no relevance. The NBA is an entertainment organization. People paid money for tickets to see Duncan, Parker, Ginobili. TNT paid a lot of money to televise the game nationally. People put a lot of money on the game in Vegas well before it was announced the foursome didn't even travel with the team. This is bad business and the NBA, above ALL else, is a business.
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What about Spurs fans? They pay their money too, and buy all the Spurs merchandise. They likely care about winning. And if Pop is resting players due to the absurd scheduling in order to increase their long term potential, so be it. So be it anyway. It's the coach who decides these things.
The ticket guarantees you entry into the venue (conditionally, at that.) Nothing beyond. I can't count how many games I've been to games where star players didn't play for one reason or another. Tough.
Stern is just puffing up to cover for the bad schedule. And that was indeed bad business.
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11-29-2012, 10:44 PM
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The NBA only have themselves to blame. 4 games in 5 days and they play the Grizzlies on Saturday. That's ridiculous. Did the NBA forget last year in a strike shortened season where players got hurt and it was a safety issue? There is no reason to schedule all those games in one week, especially when other teams like the Heat are well rested.
Stern has zero legs on this one...
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11-29-2012, 10:51 PM
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The NFL teams hold out players in week 17 and sometimes week 16 when the have their playoff spot secure. You don't see the NFL commish imposing sanctions. They have fans, TV networks, etc. It's just another example of Stern trying to micro-manage the NBA and keep himself in the news.
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11-29-2012, 11:05 PM
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The point that this is an entertainment business is a good one, but ultimately isn't enough to justify Stern's threats in this case. He's got to let coaches decide what's best for their teams to win over the course of a season. It's not like Popovich was purposefully trying to tank a game to improve his draft or playoff position. This is all part of his plan to maximize the Spurs victories this season.
Once a commissioner tries to second guess honest coaching decisions, he flushes the integrity of the game down the toilet. That's much worse, even from a business perspective, than pissing off a few fans one night out of the year.
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11-29-2012, 11:17 PM
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Here's a thought Stern, cut the schedule down to 60 games...
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11-29-2012, 11:46 PM
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This is a joke. If the league is a well run business, they can't have one team playing 4 games while the other team sits.
Last year my GS Warriors started 5 rookies for the first time since the merger on their way to tanking to a lottery spot. That was worse.
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11-30-2012, 12:03 AM
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Quote:
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The NBA is a business - an entertainment business. People paid a substantial amount of money to see Spurs-Heat and they're delivered a vastly inferior product than what was advertised.
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I disagree. This is not a Broadway show in which the headliner is suddenly pulled from the performance. This is a sporting event, in which a coach's job is to put his team in the best position to succeed. If Pop thinks resting some players serves that purpose... that takes precedence over what the fans want. I understand it is "entertainment", but the underlying component to that entertainment is competition. If the coach thinks his team will best compete with a days rest... he should be able to make that choice.
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11-30-2012, 01:14 AM
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The biggest point that's missing here is that playing all these games back to back to back becomes a safety issue. Last year the NBA lost a record amount of players to injury because of the crazy schedule. Why would Popovich jeopardize his players by putting them in harms way with all those stupid games in a row. He also has a much more important game on Saturday versus the Griz.
When I listen to Stern he reminds me of Cleveland's Dan Gilbert... I'm mad and I'm taking my ball.
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11-30-2012, 01:22 AM
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