11-09-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator
Do they make one more run at coach K, he has the NCAA ring, the gold medal, only thing left is the trophy?
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I don't have any lost love for Coach K, but the timing of this makes me think they don't have a shot at him. There's no way he'd do that to Duke with a brand new season starting tonight. Maybe after the season, but not now.
With the Laker's payroll, I'd bet they're looking for a big name post haste. They won't wait.
I'd also bet they had someone (not sure who) in mind before they took such a drastic step.
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11-09-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator
Do they make one more run at coach K, he has the NCAA ring, the gold medal, only thing left is the trophy?
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He's not anywhere but Duke in your lifetime.
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11-09-2012, 06:29 PM
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There are a (very) few coaches that actually make a difference in the NBA. Phil Jackson is certainly one. The Lakers could not win with Shaq & Kobe until the Zen Master joined . Pat Riley i think is another who made a difference. He was an essential part of the Showtime Lakers. I think Pop is another one. Who else? Sloan, but he never won it all. Don't know about Kobe in the GOAT discussion but who is the GCAT? Got to be Phil.
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11-09-2012, 06:30 PM
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Calipari is available if they're ready to pay him 8 million per year to leave Kentucky.
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11-09-2012, 06:31 PM
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That didn't take long!
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11-09-2012, 08:02 PM
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The Lakers are an abortion of a roster....short of Phil Jackson or Pat Riley there is nothing that will save this group.
5-6 seed in the playoffs tops. Either OKC or SA will make the finals
Miami Heat are going to win again this year.
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11-09-2012, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Singaporegator
There are a (very) few coaches that actually make a difference in the NBA. Phil Jackson is certainly one. The Lakers could not win with Shaq & Kobe until the Zen Master joined . Pat Riley i think is another who made a difference. He was an essential part of the Showtime Lakers. I think Pop is another one. Who else? Sloan, but he never won it all. Don't know about Kobe in the GOAT discussion but who is the GCAT? Got to be Phil.
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I hope they dont bet Sloan or Phil.
Those 2 coaches can certainly make the difference.
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11-09-2012, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeze
I hope they dont bet Sloan or Phil.
Those 2 coaches can certainly make the difference.
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If Phil is willing it is an absolute no brainer. No other coach can command this team of egos just by walking into the locker room.
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11-09-2012, 10:15 PM
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ESPN reporting that Phil is interested....but as an Orlando fan, I hope they implode...I hope that Howard finds the grass is browner on the other side.
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11-09-2012, 10:35 PM
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I posted a thread over the off-season expressing skepticism about their move to the Princeton, and that was before they brought in Howard. It just isn't a good fit for most teams, especially when you have a great pick and roll point guard, iso scoring guard, and low post finisher in Howard. Not sure the triangle is much better, either.
Regardless, I thought it was pretty sophomoric to dump him this early. The Lakers did a terrible job of managing everything since Jackson retired, from the Brown hire to the failure to upgrade the roster last year to this debacle. I feel bad for Brown because he is an outstanding defensive coach who has kind of been put in two unbelievably mismanaged organizations.
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11-09-2012, 11:08 PM
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^^ Don't feel too bad for him. Dude is walking away with some nice $ as a parting gift...
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11-09-2012, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by madgator
The Lakers are an abortion of a roster....short of Phil Jackson or Pat Riley there is nothing that will save this group.
5-6 seed in the playoffs tops. Either OKC or SA will make the finals
Miami Heat are going to win again this year.
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So just forget all about Jerry Sloan?
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11-10-2012, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rserina
I posted a thread over the off-season expressing skepticism about their move to the Princeton, and that was before they brought in Howard. It just isn't a good fit for most teams, especially when you have a great pick and roll point guard, iso scoring guard, and low post finisher in Howard. Not sure the triangle is much better, either.
Regardless, I thought it was pretty sophomoric to dump him this early. The Lakers did a terrible job of managing everything since Jackson retired, from the Brown hire to the failure to upgrade the roster last year to this debacle. I feel bad for Brown because he is an outstanding defensive coach who has kind of been put in two unbelievably mismanaged organizations.
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Triangle would be great for Howard...not so much for Nash.
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11-10-2012, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chompalot
Triangle would be great for Howard...not so much for Nash.
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I don't know. Shaq was actually a pretty good passer and decision maker on the low blocks, not to mention had a better back to the basket game than Howard does. We can at least agree that you can't quite find much worse of a system for Howard than the high post motion.
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11-10-2012, 03:13 PM
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Great, they get Jackson back.
You could argue that in the NBA, the coach doesn't matter, but then when you look at coaches to actually win a championship, you see that only good ones do. Well, except for Spoelstra. When you have the best player in the game by a mile, it's easy.
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11-10-2012, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by corpgator
Great, they get Jackson back.
You could argue that in the NBA, the coach doesn't matter, but then when you look at coaches to actually win a championship, you see that only good ones do. Well, except for Spoelstra. When you have the best player in the game by a mile, it's easy.
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Spoelstra is hardly a bad coach. I don't know why some insist he is. The guy turned around the post-Shaq Heat and made then decent despite terrible personnel decisions, then he found a way to get a terribly ill-fitted set of stars to mesh over two years with one of the more creative hoops schemes since Tex Winter or Pete Carrill.
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11-10-2012, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rserina
Spoelstra is hardly a bad coach. I don't know why some insist he is. The guy turned around the post-Shaq Heat and made then decent despite terrible personnel decisions, then he found a way to get a terribly ill-fitted set of stars to mesh over two years with one of the more creative hoops schemes since Tex Winter or Pete Carrill.
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Agreed,,,, Spoelstra is a creative and good coach.
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11-10-2012, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rserina
I don't know. Shaq was actually a pretty good passer and decision maker on the low blocks, not to mention had a better back to the basket game than Howard does. We can at least agree that you can't quite find much worse of a system for Howard than the high post motion.
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Good thing that with the triangle, Howard would be positioned down on the strong-side block. He probably wouldn't be doing much pick-and-roll, but he can be pretty devastating down low--requiring a double team.
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11-11-2012, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rserina
Spoelstra is hardly a bad coach. I don't know why some insist he is. The guy turned around the post-Shaq Heat and made then decent despite terrible personnel decisions, then he found a way to get a terribly ill-fitted set of stars to mesh over two years with one of the more creative hoops schemes since Tex Winter or Pete Carrill.
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Yeah, he's a good coach, but he's not in the league of Jackson or Popovich, but who is? In the end, I think NBA coaches do matter, but you still have to have the talent. There's no other league where there is so much talent constantly on the court/field at one time as in Basketball.
Every team is stocked full of talent, so only the ones with good coaches win it all.
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11-11-2012, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by number1
So just forget all about Jerry Sloan?
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I didn't even know he as an option....thought he was officially done
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