iPhone 4S

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Oh, forgot to mention:

Originally Posted by Gator_Tom66

Push one button

You don't even have to push a button in Android.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

So is Android. "Send email to" and dictate the email. "Navigate to" and it brings up GPS directions (Siri doesn't do this). "Go to Wikipedia" (which goes directly to the site, Siri searches). Like Siri, if you ask something arcane, it searches.

Yeah, sorry, it's the same thing. Siri's advantage is natural language processing that let's you use less formal structured speech. At the heart of it, they do the exact same thing, though. Nothing revolutionary about it.

Natural language processing is easier for people to use. Voice commands were on the other iphones also Siri works substantially better

I guess android needs to fire their marketing departments. You might want to let them know about the $ they are losing.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Oh, forgot to mention:

You don't even have to push a button in Android.

You don't have to push a button on the iPhone either. What was that you were laughing about?

[Gat0r]

Go get a 4S and go get a new android hold one in one and and one in the other. Sorry, it's not close. You droid users can argue you want but just try it. Got some catchin' up to do..

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Gat0r

Go get a 4S and go get a new android hold one in one and and one in the other. Sorry, it's not close. You droid users can argue you want but just try it. Got some catchin' up to do..

I lead a team of iphone and android developers. We have at least 20 Android phones and plenty of 3Gs and 4s around, too.

So basically I'm around these devices every day.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense. You might want to elaborate on what they need to "catch up" on.

Originally Posted by Gator_Tom66

You don't have to push a button on the iPhone either. What was that you were laughing about?

Yes, but you have to have the phone in your hand/presence. Android activates a voice command from a voice command, which has been particularly helpful for writing emails while working on something else and when getting driving navigation.

So that's what I was laughing about.

Originally Posted by Gator_Tom66

Natural language processing is easier for people to use. Voice commands were on the other iphones also Siri works substantially better

Siri definitely works better than the older, limited iphone voice commands, but then those were considered worst of breed back then, so no real accomplishment.

As to NLP, I think that's a fairly trivial matter and it's worth noting that Android still does NLP on most of your commands anyway. If you're blind there's very little difference between saying "Call Jonathan" and "Hey, please call Jonathan" in terms of convenience.

I guess android needs to fire their marketing departments. You might want to let them know about the $ they are losing.

Well first, Android doesn't lose money because Android does not make money, per se. This is a large part of the cultural difference between Android and IOS and the reason great, robust features like Google Voice Commands usually surface with little fanfare while WWDC spends 20 minutes on revolutionary copy-and-paste functions and Siri, something that has existed for a long time.

Most people who are only exposed to iPhones don't really get a full picture of what Android is or what it does because there are no huge press events. Which is why you were talking about the revolutionary Siri and how Android had to "catch up."

And I love the iPhone - I personally have one. It's a solid and beautiful tool, and iOS is very polished. But I switched to Android full-time a few years ago and haven't looked back. There's only one thing that iPhones still have a major advantage in and that's music library and playback. Which is becoming an increasingly unimportant item. Hell I just use Spotify now anyway.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I lead a team of iphone and android developers. We have at least 20 Android phones and plenty of 3Gs and 4s around, too.

So basically I'm around these devices every day.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense. You might want to elaborate on what they need to "catch up" on.



Yes, but you have to have the phone in your hand/presence. Android activates a voice command from a voice command, which has been particularly helpful for writing emails while working on something else and when getting driving navigation.

So that's what I was laughing about.



Siri definitely works better than the older, limited iphone voice commands, but then those were considered worst of breed back then, so no real accomplishment.

As to NLP, I think that's a fairly trivial matter and it's worth noting that Android still does NLP on most of your commands anyway. If you're blind there's very little difference between saying "Call Jonathan" and "Hey, please call Jonathan" in terms of convenience.



Well first, Android doesn't lose money because Android does not make money, per se. This is a large part of the cultural difference between Android and IOS and the reason great, robust features like Google Voice Commands usually surface with little fanfare while WWDC spends 20 minutes on revolutionary copy-and-paste functions and Siri, something that has existed for a long time.

Most people who are only exposed to iPhones don't really get a full picture of what Android is or what it does because there are no huge press events. Which is why you were talking about the revolutionary Siri and how Android had to "catch up."

And I love the iPhone - I personally have one. It's a solid and beautiful tool, and iOS is very polished. But I switched to Android full-time a few years ago and haven't looked back. There's only one thing that iPhones still have a major advantage in and that's music library and playback. Which is becoming an increasingly unimportant item. Hell I just use Spotify now anyway.

I am around and touch Androids daily. There are fine phones. But if there wasn't an iPhone, there would be no Android. There is no best phone, just as there is no greatest drummer. There are phones that are better depending on personal preference and the environment they operate in. Androids are not encrypted, iPhones are, that is important in the corporate world and at UF. I have over 20 GB's of music, so the library is important to me.

I'm glad you like your phone, I'm real happy with mine also. Time will tell if Siri is a game changer, as I think it is. I know someone that cannot read very well. They love the 4S. If Android has a similair feature that works just as well, then their marketing department lost his sale and money. So you are wrong about them not losing anything, they are called customers. We can say Android is losing, or the manufactures of phones that use Android are losing, but they lost a customer to Apple by having crappy marketing departments. Or, the features you describe just don't work as well. Either way, they need to catch up. I'm sure they will.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Gator_Tom66

But if there wasn't an iPhone, there would be no Android.

This is sort of a weird viewpoint to have. Both have borrowed from each other. Without Blackberry, there'd be no iPhone, but I don't see how that's relevant.

Androids are not encrypted, iPhones are,

Not sure what you mean about iPhones being encrypted. Perhaps they encrypt their data, emails, etc. So does Android. I guess another point

that is important in the corporate world and at UF. I have over 20 GB's of music, so the library is important to me.

And still works in Android.

I'm glad you like your phone[/quote]

Like I said, I own both.

I'm real happy with mine also. Time will tell if Siri is a game changer, as I think it is. I know someone that cannot read very well. They love the 4S. If Android has a similair feature that works just as well, then their marketing department lost his sale and money. So you are wrong about them not losing anything, they are called customers. We can say Android is losing, or the manufactures of phones that use Android are losing, but they lost a customer to Apple by having crappy marketing departments. Or, the features you describe just don't work as well. Either way, they need to catch up. I'm sure they will.

Still with the notion of "catching up." iPhone just caught up to Android in this and many other regards.

[GatorInSC]

Im getting a new phone sometime in the next few weeks and im torn. I have a android phone right now but im bored with android and have always wanted to try i iphone. Also most of my family has apple products so they use facetime to talk. Think i might give the 4s a try.

[LeafUF]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Yes, but you have to have the phone in your hand/presence. Android activates a voice command from a voice command, which has been particularly helpful for writing emails while working on something else and when getting driving navigation.

So that's what I was laughing about.

How do you do this. I only know how to use the voice commands by opening voice command first.

Also have you seen the new app that will react to hand gestures without touching the phone? I guess it uses the camera kind of like Kinect does.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

This is sort of a weird viewpoint to have. Both have borrowed from each other. Without Blackberry, there'd be no iPhone, but I don't see how that's relevant.

Not sure what you mean about iPhones being encrypted. Perhaps they encrypt their data, emails, etc. So does Android. I guess another point

And still works in Android.

I'm glad you like your phone

I couldn't read all your post. The format was off.

The data to and from the iPhone is encrypted. Currently that is not the case for androids.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Gator_Tom66

I couldn't read all your post. The format was off.

The data to and from the iPhone is encrypted. Currently that is not the case for androids.

Actually, it is and has been since Gingerbread. Rather, it's a setting, not the default.

[LeafUF]

Originally Posted by Gator_Tom66

I couldn't read all your post. The format was off.

The data to and from the iPhone is encrypted. Currently that is not the case for androids.

I don't know if this is a true or if it is its not a problem as I know my companies work email can be sent to both android and iPhones using the same program. And I imagine that would not be the case if there were a security risk.

[Gat0r]

For those of you looking into new phones. I went though this about a month ago and what I found agreed with this evaluation. Just go check for yourself without taking advice from anyone.

http://cell-phones.toptenreviews.com/smartphones/

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I probably should have replied to that thread a while back, but there is an option for network encryption and full disk encryption in Android starting at v 3.1. I don't think the iphone has full disk encryption yet.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I probably should have replied to that thread a while back, but there is an option for network encryption and full disk encryption in Android starting at v 3.1. I don't think the iphone has full disk encryption yet.

That is not my understanding wrt androids. Iphones are encrypted by default. Do you have a link showing androids are encrypted? I'd be interested to read it if you do.

Encryption
iPhone and iPad offer hardware-based encryption. Hardware encryption uses 256-bit AES to protect all data on the device. Encryption is always enabled, and cannot be disabled by users.
Additionally, data backed up in iTunes to a user’s computer can be encrypted.
This can be enabled by the user, or enforced by using device restriction settings in Configuration Profiles.
iOS supports S/MIME in mail, enabling iPhone and iPad to view and send encrypted email messages. Restrictions can also be used to prevent mail messages from being moved between accounts or messages received in one account being forwarded
from another.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by LeafUF

I don't know if this is a true or if it is its not a problem as I know my companies work email can be sent to both android and iPhones using the same program. And I imagine that would not be the case if there were a security risk.

UF allows e-mail to be sent to both also, for now. The ball has already started rolling to make it mandatory for all mobile devices that connect to UF to have full encryption capabilities. The literature I have seen indicates the iPhone currently meets this standard and Androids don't. If that is the case, I am sure Android will implement that change. Maybe OBOB will provide a link to it. I only see apps that can encrypt Androids.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Yes, full disk encryption is available starting with 3.1 (current version is 4.0).

Like the iphone it cannot be disabled once activated, but it is also not on by default.

S/Mime is not supported by default in Gmail, but in the mail app.

[Gator_Tom66]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Yes, full disk encryption is available starting with 3.1 (current version is 4.0).

Like the iphone it cannot be disabled once activated, but it is also not on by default.

S/Mime is not supported by default in Gmail, but in the mail app.

Do you have a link? I can't find anything to support it. It isn't a big deal if you don't.

It looks to me like it is hardware dependent. Some driods can and some can't.

http://infosec.ufl.edu/itworkers/pgp...eencrypt.shtml

[orangeblueorangeblue]

It's not hardware dependent. I'm staring at the option right now on my phone and tablet (have activated it on neither).

First introduced in 2.3.7 and 3.1 for tablets.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

And prior to 2.3.7 for phones there was a free app that handled it. I can't vouch for that having worked with old Android phones.