Cash for Appliances

[thedyc09]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34169891...shington_post/

Have an old fridge? Government's about to cut you a check to buy a new "energy efficient" model, on the taxpayer's dime ($300 million of stimulus money).

This is made all the more stupid since I just saw a report a week or so ago about how many appliances were given the EnergyStar label incorrectly.

I'm running out of walls to bang my head against.

[TR1228]

How about "Dough for Dumps"? Borrow money from China to give to people to destroy their current run-down houses so they have to buy new ones! It'll fix the housing market! If Cash for Clunkers was a good idea, this must be even better.

[sierragator]

Makes about as much sense as subsidizing tobacco farmers then shelling out $$$ for patients on medicaid/medicare who get cancer/emphysema/etc.....

[Lawdog88]

Any hope for dishwashers and stoves?

Stainless maybe?

[thedyc09]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Any hope for dishwashers and stoves?

Stainless maybe?

Fridges, Dishwashers, Washer/dryers, AC units. I suppose if you wanted a new kitchen set, there would be some leeway allowed as long as you reported it as saving or creating at least 2-3 jobs.

[philnotfil]

That's really annoying, over the past couple of years we have replaced all of our ancient appliances with new stuff. Am I going to be able to get some cash back on those? (although we are already getting some cash back, our utilities bill has dropped by about a third from when we started the project to when we finished it)

[AnnArborGator]

I say we do "cash for banks and government buildings" and let the citizenry expend some of their pent up rage by destroying something. LOL.

Is it just me or does it feel more and more each day like we're living in a Kafka novel?

[Swampmaster]

Why should I be forced to pay taxes so someone can buy new appliances? Will taxpayers pay me to buy things like TVs, new furniture, etc.???

[gators21]

I have received rebates years ago from Florida Gas when I upgraded to a tankless water heater and FPL when upgraded my A/C system. The difference is both are private entities and not the government.

[Dreamliner]

Does this cash for clunkers theme extend to dollars ? I'd like to get cash for my worthless dollars.

[TR1228]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Does this cash for clunkers theme extend to dollars ? I'd like to get cash for my worthless dollars.

lol buy precious metals or currencies issued by governments that aren't running the printing presses at breakneck speed with 0% interest rates

[rpmGator]

It is part of reducing energy demand. If you think that sounds funny add in that California is mandating smaller energy use from tv's.

That may sound weird also until you do the math that California only creates about 80% of its own electric with the rest coming from out of state at a higher cost. The building of new plants to catch up to their own use is huge...

So cutting at the user end is cheaper, much cheaper.

LED tv's are here but they are holding them back and keeping price up. LED's are cheap to make and the entire tv cost should drop, but won't, but laws like the one Cali has may move them into the picture sooner. They use very little electric compared with other types.

If you buy an energy star appliance, you are going to get help to buy something that keeps another bill lower also. The problem is getting people to understand that this is the cheap way of doing this.

It moves the people away from higher use items so it saves electric and fuel use. The savings from not having to build new plants is why private companies like Florida Power and Progress Energy are doing energy saving things on their own. Progress hit one billion spent on energy reducing acts, like more insulation. They would not spend that much, if the cost of building new plants were cheaper.

[NothingRemains10]

Sweet, I need a new dryer, dish washer, and fridge..When does it start?!

[AnnArborGator]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

It is part of reducing energy demand. If you think that sounds funny add in that California is mandating smaller energy use from tv's.

That may sound weird also until you do the math that California only creates about 80% of its own electric with the rest coming from out of state at a higher cost. The building of new plants to catch up to their own use is huge...

So cutting at the user end is cheaper, much cheaper.

LED tv's are here but they are holding them back and keeping price up. LED's are cheap to make and the entire tv cost should drop, but won't, but laws like the one Cali has may move them into the picture sooner. They use very little electric compared with other types.

If you buy an energy star appliance, you are going to get help to buy something that keeps another bill lower also. The problem is getting people to understand that this is the cheap way of doing this.

It moves the people away from higher use items so it saves electric and fuel use. The savings from not having to build new plants is why private companies like Florida Power and Progress Energy are doing energy saving things on their own. Progress hit one billion spent on energy reducing acts, like more insulation. They would not spend that much, if the cost of building new plants were cheaper.

The bigger question is why is the federal government involved in the energy industry at all? Makes no sense. You can rationalize it all you want to with saving energy and this and that, but when it comes down to it there's no reason for the federal government to be involved.

[rpmGator]

We have had a department of energy for a very long time and one of its jobs is to set regulation of increased efficiency to appliance makers for one.

Only the fed can set standarized levels of use. California is already having to make a law to reduce the energy use of tv sets.

Government has worked hand in hand with energy and on energy for decades with the oil depreciation allowance going back about a century. So you have lived every day of your life with government working hand and hand with energy.

The present grid is at its limits and additions and improvements were coming no matter what type of energy sends the juice.

No way do you do grids without emminent domain to force landowners to get the path needed to move juice from points A to points B, C, and D.

This is the only way it can be done. A company cannot get one of the major project's financed without the gov. co-signing the note.

So it is impossible to get anything built without using the system as banks are not going to finance anything big enough to make a big whoop without gov being part of the backing.

We invented the solar panal and China makes most of the panals. We invented the cell phone battery and the Japanese made the money. Yet you think this group of opportunity knockers, will wire America for us.

Without gov, it doesn't get done. I have grown used to indoor lighting and too old now to change to an idealist in the dark.