Where in the Kübler-Ross model are you with respect to our society and way of life?

[gator10010]

Originally Posted by Burke

21, I agree with you, but I'm not sure you appreciate how bad the people in charge are and that we can't wait for things to "happen."

You have to be "proactive," to use a neologism.

I don't think anything will truly "happen" until the dollar is worthless. Once this happens I think you could very well see a real revolution against the US govt. I think most people are in stage 1 and will continue to look to the govt to save them.

In the meantime I try and write/email my congressmen but all I get in return is an automated response which leaves me questioning whether my email really got through.

[swampcabbage]

Originally Posted by Burke

Most people don't fight back because they don't know how.

They don't understand that the real war is a war of ideas and that nearly eveything they have been taught in this area is mystical, destructive nonsense.

If anyone is an expert on mystical destructive nonsense, that would be you.

[CitRain12]

Originally Posted by cjgator76

I'm at my own personal #6 - I refuse to let the condition of society determine my emontional state.

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I like this answer. Eventhough I'm at 5, in so far as accepting what this country is and will possibly become, that doesn't mean I'll quit holding fast to the belief that all individuals regardless of social, economic, or political standing deserve the choice to whether or not be free, and working to see that hopefully future generations will have respect and somewhat an understanding of our differences.

The questions I have are why are minorities given advantages that should be provided to all or done away with entirely based on past mistakes not made by the present populace of this country?

Why is it more beneficial to have people dependant on the governmet rather than self sufficiency?

How did the ideologies of freedom become unacceptable to the vast majority of Americans, when it is the most beneficial, while socialist(way before BO) ideologies are seen as fantastic, but only a select few(people at the top)benefits?

[AnnArborGator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

I too have tried to cheer AA up in the past. But he's a very serious young man with a great deal on his mind. As for where I'm at on the scale, I don't think I'm on the scale. I think AA thinks that means I'm at number 1 (denial).

I wouldn't presume to know such things, but I do understand why you would get the impression that I would assume you were in denial. Perhaps, from your perspective, you don't see our way of life as lost yet. That's entirely possible, depending upon your worldview and your personal situation. In that case, since the loss has yet to occur for you, then I think it'd be unfair to say you're in denial.

And don't worry, I'm terribly happy with this college football season. It actually has brought me great joy...many other things bring me joy as well. But when it comes to really looking with a discerning eye at the world around me, I'm one of those whose automatic mindset is not optimism. I withhold judgment and try to see things for what they are. And the way things look right now, to me, isn't very good at all. (But I do appreciate the attempts at cheering me up.)

Of course, that's not to say that nothing can be done or that society is incapable of moving forward and creating a better system. But I'm a young'un who is coming to grips with reality, as opposed to the stories we were told growing up (by our families, our communities, our leaders, the media, the elite, everyone). I could see how the Kubler-Ross model may not apply to someone older whose worldview has already been largely shaped in a more permanent way.

I'm looking forward to finishing the progression and then finding productive ways to create a new system to fill the void that will exist when the current system no longer exists.

[CDG8tor]

Originally Posted by gatorknights

Got out of debt, own my home free and clear, saving as much as possible in anticipation of the next crash which will make this last one seem like a picnic. WASF. Thanks for nothing, subprimers. And no thanks to you either, Wall $treet and Wa$hington.

No one owns their home free and clear in this country.

Don't pay your property taxes for three years and see what happens.

CD

[CDG8tor]

Originally Posted by Burke

Hope you aren't keeping your savings in cash or other money holdings, because the next one will probably take the dollar with it. In fact, the dollar falling will quite likely be leading the way.

For the really hard times, gold, silver, rice, beans, water, and plenty of ammo to protect it.

Gold and silver will be useless also.

Food, clean water, and force will rule.

The weak will pass on.

CD

[endabcs]

Originally Posted by CDG8tor

Gold and silver will be useless also.

Food, clean water, and force will rule.

The weak will pass on.

CD

I actually thought about this, and was going to start a thread about it.


What barter able trade do you have? Anyone presuming a mineral is going to save them is fooling themselves (other than lead... if you know what I mean.)

If some of these people get their way, that is exactly what is going to go on... globally.

Fortunately I live in a community with a well armed tribe, which has many agricultural, mechanical and carpentry skills. (yep, we even have people with looms)

I would most definitely hate to live in the cities if it goes down the way some would want it.

I'm not saying my tribe would win, but it would be self-sufficient.

[CDG8tor]

Originally Posted by endabcs

At the risk of sounding like an alarmist chicken little nut job...


I've been well into the preparation stages for a decade. I have a pretty decent connection to those who are way further in to it than I am.

I'm there also. Headed up to our place in Georiga on Nov 7th to stock and fix up a couple of things. Will also do a little hunting.

My family in Lincolnton NC has also been prepared for some time now.

It's nice to have two choices, just in case.

CD

[texigator]

I'm torn between denial and anger. On one hand, it is hard for me to believe that a group of "leaders" or a political party would actually want to destroy our way of life (other than radical Islamists), so to that extent, I'm in denial.

On the other hand, I find it highly improbable that "leaders" could be this insanely inept and don't realize that they are literally DESTROYING our system, one that has allowed us to prosper for 200 years, so I'm largely angry that our country is sealing its own fate and decline. Far too many people with the right to vote are either too ignorant or too stupid to realize what is happening.

[Zeus]

What's happening to our nation now was predictable decades ago and driven by demographics and giving women and people who don't own property the right to vote.

If you have cancer I can see going through the stages of Kubler-Ross. A tanking nation isn't as big a deal and it's not a shock. The pendulum will swing in the other direction soon...for a while.

Here's a more difficult prediction I made back in September with 95% confidence: Jennifer Carroll to win Top Chef Season 6. Down to the final 4.