China Criticizes U.S. Financial Management During Obama Visit

[TR1228]

It looks like the Chinese government sees the problems our government doesn't.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...t-obama-visit/

(I would post the actual WSJ link but they make you subscribe to see the whole thing)

[Swampmaster]

In response, Obama offered a new China Tarp Plan to bail out the chinese government, for a few hundred billion. They liked the idea.

[96Gatorcise]

The trip has already had some hiccups. Wrangling between the administration and Beijing over Obama's town hall meeting with university students in Shanghai on Monday was intense, with China wanting to screen the audience and its questions, and the U.S. wanting a freer exchange.

I find this odd and a little disturbing. He is there to meet heads of state not the students. Its as if he is trying to campaign in China, bypass those in charge and start a grass roots charge for change.

[ncgatr1]

Obama is still campaigning, regardless of where he is at. it's not about change stupid, it's all about image.

[AnnArborGator]

Can't really disagree with the Chinese remarks on this subject, but I also think that the Chinese are trying to divert attention from their own asset bubbles and the artificially cheap labor force they've created.

By holding the yuan to 6.83 to the dollar to boost exports, Beijing is dumping its unemployment abroad – "stealing American jobs", says Nobel laureate Paul Krugman. As long as China does it, other tigers must do it too.

Western capitalists are complicit, of course. They rent cheap workers and cheap plant in Guangdong, then lobby Capitol Hill to prevent Congress doing anything about it. This is labour arbitrage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...d-economy.html

This is a high stakes game of blame we're playing. On both sides. I could easily see this escalating over time into a proxy war fought on the ground in Iran.

[TR1228]

The Chinese should remove the currency peg and let the yuan appreciate; if they did, their people could shift more of their production to serving Chinese customers instead of making products that Americans consume but don't pay for.

[g8rman95]

Originally Posted by TR1228

It looks like the Chinese government sees the problems our government doesn't.

Problems our Gov't doesn't see or doesn't want to see? I think they see a lot of these problems but they don't have any desire to do what is necessary to fix them because it would mean no re-election.

[Zeus]

Obama's told our asian creditors that he'll get spending under control. In the Chinese press they're refering to Obama as a man of "sweet words," not deeds.

[TR1228]

Originally Posted by g8rman95

Problems our Gov't doesn't see or doesn't want to see? I think they see a lot of these problems but they don't have any desire to do what is necessary to fix them because it would mean no re-election.

Perhaps both. I agree that to do the right thing would mean a serious short-term recession and it would make re-election for those who did it very unlikely. That's why I have very little confidence we will do the right thing, and it's why I object to the reins of the economy being in the hands of politicians who are only concerned about short-term gains in their own electability.

[brainstorm]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Obama's told our asian creditors that he'll get spending under control. In the Chinese press they're refering to Obama as a man of "sweet words," not deeds.

Well put.

[mdgator01]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Obama's told our asian creditors that he'll get spending under control. In the Chinese press they're refering to Obama as a man of "sweet words," not deeds.

Which Chinese press outlet was this? Got a link?

And I also noticed you stopped the quote before adding not deeds. Is that because whichever source you are using was actually complimenting Obama, and you were trying to make that an insult?

[brainstorm]

Wrong regime, maybe?

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index...=2009060740176

[Swampmaster]

When will obama actually try to create at least 1 new job, instead of this continued presidential campaign and sightseeing trips around the world?????

[shelbygt350]

I hope he apologizes.

[Dreamliner]

This is what America has come to, our president flying to China to receive a scolding.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by mdgator01

Which Chinese press outlet was this? Got a link?

And I also noticed you stopped the quote before adding not deeds. Is that because whichever source you are using was actually complimenting Obama, and you were trying to make that an insult?

Typical example from the Chinese press. As you can see, they aren't complimenting Obama:

Obama needs deeds, not just pretty words
Source: Global Times [23:34 November 08 2009] Comments

[...]

With this trip to Asia, Obama will have visited 20 countries in his first year in oŠ ce, the most of any US president in history. This is certainly a great record by itself. But what is more important is not just his sincerity but also his credibility.

People naturally compare former US President George W. Bush and Obama. Even though the latter can be more eloquent in delivery, the former, once he said he was going to do something, no matter how diŠ cult it was, followed through.

For example, when former President George W. Bush said he was going to attend the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics, he did despite a great deal of pressure not to do so.

When Bush made clear in the White House when meeting with his Chinese counterpart President Hu Jintao that Washington was against the change of status quo from either side of the Taiwan Straits, he followed through by making this clear to Chen Shui-bian, then Taiwan leader.

http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/commen...11/483421.html


They're saying similar things in Iran:

"Let's not forget that under a different American president, Iranian leaders said that pronouncements like 'axis of evil' were a big part of the problem between the two countries," he says. "But now that we actually have a president using a different vocabulary, we hear the Iranians saying, 'Sweet words are not enough,' so I'm skeptical of the argument that tone is a determining factor."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0604/p02s10-usfp.html

[mdgator01]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Typical example from the Chinese press. As you can see, they aren't complimenting Obama:



http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/commen...11/483421.html


They're saying similar things in Iran:



http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0604/p02s10-usfp.html

Of course, you left out the complimentary sections of the Chinese government controlled media in your quote. The article really doesn't take a hard position on Obama, both complimenting him and pushing him to positions that would be more Pro-Chinese, which is not too suprising given the fact that it is state-media.

By the way, you should probably rethink your wording on them saying the second quote in Iran, considering the he being referred to is actually Patrick Clawson, and as can be told from the name, he isn't in Iran (unless they recently moved the Washington Center for Near East Studies to Iran).

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by mdgator01

Of course, you left out the complimentary sections of the Chinese government controlled media in your quote. The article really doesn't take a hard position on Obama, both complimenting him and pushing him to positions that would be more Pro-Chinese, which is not too suprising given the fact that it is state-media.

Why don't you cherry pick the most complimentary paragraph from the article I linked to so we can see what you're yammering about?

mdgator01: By the way, you should probably rethink your wording on them saying the second quote in Iran, considering the he being referred to is actually Patrick Clawson, and as can be told from the name, he isn't in Iran (unless they recently moved the Washington Center for Near East Studies to Iran).

From my link:

[Clawson]:"But now that we actually have a president using a different vocabulary, we hear the Iranians saying, 'Sweet words are not enough,' so I'm skeptical of the argument that tone is a determining factor."

What's your problem with that?


From the Iranian street to the Supreme Leader:

There was plenty of enthusiasm across the Muslim world for President Barack Obama's Cairo speech Thursday, although much of it was tempered by a withholding of judgment until talk of change is translated into action.

[...]

[Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei responding to Obama's Cairo speech:] "Muslim nations know that the sincerity of American officials will be proven when in practice they bring about change; sweet words and speeches won't bring about change."

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...902892,00.html



I'll leave you with analysis from Krauthammer:

WASHINGTON -- If hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, then the flip-flops on previously denounced anti-terror measures are the homage that Barack Obama pays to George Bush. Within 125 days, Obama has adopted with only minor modifications huge swaths of the entire, allegedly lawless Bush program.

The latest flip-flop is the restoration of military tribunals. During the 2008 campaign, Obama denounced them repeatedly, calling them an "enormous failure." Obama suspended them upon his swearing in. Now they're back.

Of course, Obama will never admit in word what he's doing in deed. As in his rhetorically brilliant national-security speech on Thursday claiming to have undone Bush's moral travesties, the military commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama three-step: (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Charl...&comments=true

[mdgator01]

Once again, no hard news just this guy said and I heard this guy say once. Oh and using the Supreme Leader of Iran to offer support for your position. Nice.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by mdgator01

Once again, no hard news just this guy said and I heard this guy say once. Oh and using the Supreme Leader of Iran to offer support for your position. Nice.

Let's see, you said that I:

left out the complimentary sections of the Chinese government controlled media in [my] quote

So I asked you to post what I missed and you couldn't find anything to post. "Nice."

Then you whined that my Clawson quote: "we hear the Iranians saying, 'Sweet words are not enough" was lacking because he (Clawson) wasn't Iranian:

mdgator01: By the way, you should probably rethink your wording on them saying the second quote in Iran, considering the he being referred to is actually Patrick Clawson, and as can be told from the name, he isn't in Iran (unless they recently moved the Washington Center for Near East Studies to Iran).

So I gave you this quote from Iran's Supreme Leader:

Ayatullah Ali Khamenei: "Muslim nations know that the sincerity of American officials will be proven when in practice they bring about change; sweet words and speeches won't bring about change."

...and you're still whining. "Nice."