Dr. Ben Carson speaks truth to Obama at prayer breakfast.

[wygator]

His boldness and intelligence is remarkable...

[Row6]

Originally Posted by wygator

His boldness and intelligence is remarkable...

He lost me on the first sentence of his invocation when he blasted the "godless". That would be me.

[lacuna]

Originally Posted by Row6

He lost me on the first sentence of his invocation when he blasted the "godless". That would be me.

Row, it was not an invocation but if you are offended by the Bible verses he read, fast forward a bit. A little past the 2 minute mark Dr. Carson says, "Now it's not my intention to offend anyone ..." then goes on to say he has discovered it is difficult to speak to a large group of people and not offend anyone. He is not a fan of political correctness.

By taking offense to his comments in the first few seconds of the video, then refusing to listen to the rest you confirm what he is said about Political Correctness.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by lacuna

Row, it was not an invocation but if you are offended by the Bible verses he read, fast forward a bit. A little past the 2 minute mark Dr. Carson says, "Now it's not my intention to offend anyone ..." then goes on to say he has discovered it is difficult to speak to a large group of people and not offend anyone. He is not a fan of political correctness.

By taking offense to his comments in the first few seconds of the video, then refusing to listen to the rest you confirm what he is said about Political Correctness.

That would be like me saying "believers are all creepy idiots, but hey, no offense intended." That's not ignoring political correctness (something that religious conservatives practice their own version of) but being an unselfaware jerk.

I don't agree with your assessment.

[malligator]

Originally Posted by Row6

That would be like me saying "believers are all creepy idiots, but hey, no offense intended." That's not ignoring political correctness (something that religious conservatives practice their own version of) but being an unselfaware jerk.

I don't agree with your assessment.

His point was that as soon as you say something offensive most people close up like a clam and want to hear nothing else the person has to say. I can see he was talking about you.

Heck, I recommend you not watch it, because it wasn't a particulary moving speech. It was okay, but nothing worth spending 26 minutes on. However, to stop within seconds because you heard a Bible verse at the National Prayer Breakfast certainly does show he had a point about political correctness.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by malligator

His point was that as soon as you say something offensive most people close up like a clam and want to hear nothing else the person has to say. I can see he was talking about you.

Heck, I recommend you not watch it, because it wasn't a particulary moving speech. It was okay, but nothing worth spending 26 minutes on. However, to stop within seconds because you heard a Bible verse at the National Prayer Breakfast certainly does show he had a point about political correctness.

I have no obligation to watch any video posted on TH but gave this a shot. From you and Lacuna's description he seems to think he can say whatever he wants and somehow defend himself as being a straight shooter for doing so. A non-PC straight shooter is someone who can accept himself and his own beliefs in criticism, not one who wallops his perceived enemies because he happens to have the stage. Since I roundly denounce the idea that the "godless" - like me - are somehow befouling the earth, I can't accept that as valuable criticism but the ignorant rant of a fool.

[FearNoSpear]

Originally Posted by Row6

That would be like me saying "believers are all creepy idiots, but hey, no offense intended." That's not ignoring political correctness (something that religious conservatives practice their own version of) but being an unselfaware jerk.

I don't agree with your assessment.

And I would still be open enough to hear what you had to say after the fact. Being a believer who you may deem a creepy idiot. Your opposite stance doesn't offend me. To be offended would make one overly sensitive. Sometimes you can learn the most from those that think nothing like you.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by FearNoSpear

And I would still be open enough to hear what you had to say after the fact. Being a believer who you may deem a creepy idiot. Your opposite stance doesn't offend me. To be offended would make one overly sensitive. Sometimes you can learn the most from those that think nothing like you.

Yep

[squigator]

Originally Posted by Row6

He lost me on the first sentence of his invocation when he blasted the "godless". That would be me.

And he lost Obama long before he stated his flat/fair/non-progressive tax opinion. I'm surprised they let this guy speak in Obama's presence. Loved it!

[Row6]

Originally Posted by squigator

And he lost Obama long before he stated his flat/fair/non-progressive tax opinion. I'm surprised they let this guy speak in Obama's presence. Loved it!

Quite a "non-partisan prayer breakfast", apparently featuring a speaker rude enough to promote his entirely partisan political beliefs before a captive audience.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Row6

Quite a "non-partisan prayer breakfast", apparently featuring a speaker rude enough to promote his entirely partisan political beliefs before a captive audience.

Now, if he can just manage to legislate, ram through by brute force his entirely partisan political beliefs, Obama will have an honest competitor.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Now, if he can just manage to legislate, ram through by brute force his entirely partisan political beliefs, Obama will have an honest competitor.

I feel your pain.

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by Row6

Quite a "non-partisan prayer breakfast", apparently featuring a speaker rude enough to promote his entirely partisan political beliefs before a captive audience.

Why do you think he's partisan? He merely presented facts about politics, education, health care, and other topics, and proposed intelligent solutions. Yes, he seems to be a fiscal conservative, but that doesn't make him partisan--it makes him responsible. Are you saying that one of the political parties (i.e., the democrats) has fiscal irresponsibility as a main political platform? That's an interesting concept.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by chemgator

Why do you think he's partisan? He merely presented facts about politics, education, health care, and other topics, and proposed intelligent solutions. Yes, he seems to be a fiscal conservative, but that doesn't make him partisan--it makes him responsible. Are you saying that one of the political parties (i.e., the democrats) has fiscal irresponsibility as a main political platform? That's an interesting concept.

He used a non-partisan event which was meant to promote brotherhood through faith to promote his political ideas. If he limited his discussion to his admirable work with school kids or as a surgeon he would be in bounds. Promoting a political agenda which is not a matter of fact and not shared by some in the audience who might otherwise applaud him and good works was poor judgement and bad manners. As I noted already, the president made no similar appeal for his political ideas, and if he had, could be rightly criticized for it.

[g8orbill]

your loss

[Row6]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

your loss

you wish

[g8orbill]

Originally Posted by Row6

you wish

actually row-I don't wish and I will pray for you

[FearNoSpear]

Originally Posted by Row6

you wish

I don't think anyone wishes that upon you.

[PSGator66]

This guy was spot on! Row6 - you are part of the very small minority and I feel sorry for your so - called Godless life but it explains a lot about your posts.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by PSGator66

This guy was spot on! Row6 - you are part of the very small minority and I feel sorry for your so - called Godless life but it explains a lot about your posts.

Don't waste your sympathy - I require none.