Citrus deputy threatens to shoot CC holder.

[GolphinGator]

Has this been posted on here already? If so sorry. I just wanted to hear what opinion people had about this traffic stop.

[exiledgator]

Obviously, that cop is way out of line.

Two questions for my own edification:

- Does a CCW have to declare the weapon when dealing with LE?
- What is Florida law on getting out of a vehicle on a traffic stop?

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Obviously, that cop is way out of line.

Two questions for my own edification:

- Does a CCW have to declare the weapon when dealing with LE?

No, but it is a good idea if the gun can or will be seen,

- What is Florida law on getting out of a vehicle on a traffic stop?

Not sure.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

No, but it is a good idea if the gun can or will be seen,




Not sure.

Thanks.

Seems like common sense to declare it. My father was a part-time cop and he always told me to stay in the vehicle. Turn off the vehicle. Put the keys on the dash. Leave my hands on the wheel. Basically, everything this guy didn't do.

I'm not defending this cop's actions. I agree he should be, at least, put on leave. I'm merely saying he may have been on edge due to the driver's actions. This in no way excuses his actions. If he can't deal with nerves, he needs a new line of work.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Seems like common sense to declare it. My father was a part-time cop and he always told me to stay in the vehicle. Turn off the vehicle. Put the keys on the dash. Leave my hands on the wheel. Basically, everything this guy didn't do.

Yep. Always, ALWAYS, do this, especially if there is a weapon in the car.

BTW, in Florida and in Georgia, one does not need a concealed weapons permit to have a loaded handgun in the car. I think Florida might have some restrictions where the weapon can be located without a CCP though.

[LittleBlueLW]

The officer did exactly as he should have. However he could have used some judgement once it was clear the intent to 'brandish the firearm' was unintentional and the dude had a permit. Could have used it as a teaching moment.

As a CC permit holder, it is your responsibility to keep the firearm concealed. The officer made a great point that if the gun was concealed, how was he able to see it?

[gatordee]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Thanks.

Seems like common sense to declare it. My father was a part-time cop and he always told me to stay in the vehicle. Turn off the vehicle. Put the keys on the dash. Leave my hands on the wheel. Basically, everything this guy didn't do.

I'm not defending this cop's actions. I agree he should be, at least, put on leave. I'm merely saying he may have been on edge due to the driver's actions. This in no way excuses his actions. If he can't deal with nerves, he needs a new line of work.

I see your point but he first thing a cop is going to think is that have had my share of run ins with the law or I have something to hide if i turned my car off and place the keys on my dash board while keeping my hands on the wheel. Plus by the way the cop was acting prior to seeing the gun, showed no signs of being on the edge. He seemed very relaxed and when the guy said he had the sticker he said "it happens..it happens.." in a very calm manner. This officer needs some counselling before he starts to take things way over the edge. If he acted like that on camera, what might he do off?

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by gatordee

I see your point but he first thing a cop is going to think is that have had my share of run ins with the law or I have something to hide if i turned my car off and place the keys on my dash board while keeping my hands on the wheel. Plus by the way the cop was acting prior to seeing the gun, showed no signs of being on the edge. He seemed very relaxed and when the guy said he had the sticker he said "it happens..it happens.." in a very calm manner. This officer needs some counselling before he starts to take things way over the edge. If he acted like that on camera, what might he do off?

It's certainly possible those actions could be perceived by the officer as those performed by the guilty or previously guilty, however it is my understanding that the approach to a vehicle on a routine traffic stop is fraught with tension for an officer. I prefer to reduce that tension as much as possible, be I guilty or innocent.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

No, but it is a good idea if the gun can or will be seen,

It's probably the first thing you should say. When I was younger and in the car with my dad, he got pulled over once and the conversation started with "Officer, I want to let you know that I have a concealed permit and am carrying a firearm." Seemed like the cop appreciated that. Ended up without a ticket.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Obviously, that cop is way out of line.

Two questions for my own edification:

- Does a CCW have to declare the weapon when dealing with LE?
- What is Florida law on getting out of a vehicle on a traffic stop?

No, but they tell you to always declare your weapon in CC training

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Obviously, that cop is way out of line.

Two questions for my own edification:

- Does a CCW have to declare the weapon when dealing with LE?
- What is Florida law on getting out of a vehicle on a traffic stop?

You must not exit the car on a traffic stop unless told to do so

[gatorman_07732]

This cop needs to be removed from duty

[g8trdoc]

Typical cop and that's an unfortunate thing to say

[gatorman_07732]

Can't even count how many things that cop did wrong, but it started with his abusive language and total abuse of power.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Can't even count how many things that cop did wrong, but it started with his abusive language and total abuse of power.

Roid rage.

[LittleBlueLW]

I got stopped for speeding last year and when the Sheriff walked up, I had the window down and both hands on the wheel.

Told him I had a permit and a 45 in the console.

He told me to please retrieve it and hand it to him using my left hand and two fingers, barrel down.

I did but cannot tell you how nervous I was that if I had dropped it or made some wrong move, this dude would have killed me. FWIW, he did not have his hand on his pistol while I was doing this.

[MichiGator2002]

Declaring a weapon to a cop is just basic human survival instinct as far as I am concerned. Will this knowledge automatically make the cop more tense, yes. Is that preferable to him being SURPISED by it and going to the next level? HUR DUR yes.

I mean, damn, even if you aren't armed you have to proceed with the utmost deference to what the officer is going to be perceiving. You gotta move your hands out of sight for any reason, say so, say why, and do it slow.

Just reacting on principle, haven't watched video. It just would never occur to me in a million years not to declare a lawfully possessed weapon. On a traffic stop I would probably declare it even if not on my person but in a place where I may have to reach near.

I grew up when the big thing was kids getting shot at night playing laser tag by cops. There is just no sense in assuming anything, like that the cop will give you the slightest benefit of the doubt.

[HALLGATOR]

The citizen handled himself much better than the cop. Threatening to shoot someone in the back is about as chickenchit as you can get. This cop is too scared to be out making traffic stops and will probably wind up shooting someone one day.

[ChartsandGrafs]

About a year ago I talked to a retired cop and asked him why cops in recent years seem to have itchier trigger fingers than cops in previous years. This was a few days after an incident that received national attention where a cop gunned down a family dog while it was fenced inside its own backyard, which was still fresh in my mind. Anyway, his answer was pretty disturbing.

He basically said that there are two types of cops on most modern police forces. There are those who've drawn their gun and fired it in the line of duty, and there are those who haven't. He said that many, if not most, of the cops in the latter category are eager to join the cops in former category. It's like a rite of passage on the way to becoming a hardened, veteran cop, and they are all aware of it, even if it goes unspoken.

Most everything else he said was either vague or decidedly pro-cop, but I thought that was very interesting. The thought that there are thousands of cops out there on patrol looking for any excuse at all to fire their weapon at someone is pretty scary.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

About a year ago I talked to a retired cop and asked him why cops in recent years seem to have itchier trigger fingers than cops in previous years. This was a few days after an incident that received national attention where a cop gunned down a family dog while it was fenced inside its own backyard, which was still fresh in my mind. Anyway, his answer was pretty disturbing.

He basically said that there are two types of cops on most modern police forces. There are those who've drawn their gun and fired it in the line of duty, and there are those who haven't. He said that many, if not most, of the cops in the latter category are eager to join the cops in former category. It's like a rite of passage on the way to becoming a hardened, veteran cop, and they are all aware of it, even if it goes unspoken.

Most everything else he said was either vague or decidedly pro-cop, but I thought that was very interesting. The thought that there are thousands of cops out there on patrol looking for any excuse at all to fire their weapon at someone is pretty scary.

A rite of passage?!? Charts. I'm so disappointed in you.

They don't want to gun down citizens or dogs as a rite of passage, they want to gun down citizens and dogs because that's what their Illuminati-generated marching orders tell them to do.

C'mon, man. Get your head back in the game!