01-12-2013, 07:36 PM
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Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide at 26
While it might not have been the only cause, the catalyst seems to be the pending case of his theft of and plan to publish the Jstor database openly on the internet.
It's just sad since we the public are the ones who have paid for those articles to be written, but we don't have access to them. Hopefully a thousand more advocates step up to take his place.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ide_at_26.html
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01-12-2013, 10:06 PM
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Why would you post this without a link to the conspiracy theories?
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01-17-2013, 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelang
Why would you post this without a link to the conspiracy theories?
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Probably because there aren't any....in turn, probably because no one's moved to outlaw rope...
(yet).
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01-13-2013, 12:29 AM
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Can someone hack for us the 1,100 JFK assassination-related documents still being withheld by the CIA on grounds (50 years later) of "national security"?
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01-13-2013, 01:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cocodrilo
Can someone hack for us the 1,100 JFK assassination-related documents still being withheld by the CIA on grounds (50 years later) of "national security"?
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Good luck with that. The U.S. government still classifies a mountain of documents going all the way back to WW2 and further.
What could they possibly be hiding?
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01-13-2013, 01:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs
What could they possibly be hiding?
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Who knows? As far as JFK is concerned, we all know that Oswald did it.
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01-13-2013, 09:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs
Good luck with that. The U.S. government still classifies a mountain of documents going all the way back to WW2 and further.
What could they possibly be hiding?
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Our Alien forefathers.
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01-17-2013, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ncbullgator
Our Alien forefathers.
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Been watching "Ancient Aliens" lately? 
....great entertainment value.
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01-13-2013, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs
Good luck with that. The U.S. government still classifies a mountain of documents going all the way back to WW2 and further.
What could they possibly be hiding?
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The government hides nothing. They are transparent a reveal all to its people..... Baaaah baaaaahhh.
What I really meant to say is....
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01-16-2013, 05:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cocodrilo
Can someone hack for us the 1,100 JFK assassination-related documents still being withheld by the CIA on grounds (50 years later) of "national security"?
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They all show that there was another shooter on the grassy knoll!
I wonder how many times the words "John Kennedy" and "conspiracy" have been used in the same sentence since 1965 [plus or minus one year]. If Deep Throat has been identified, what are the chances that a plot to successfully kill the President could and would be held secret for the past 48 years [plus or minus one year]?
I've heard that there is a conspiracy to cover up the capture of little green men at Area 51.
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01-13-2013, 03:25 AM
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rip
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01-13-2013, 08:17 AM
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Relevant.
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we didn't read half of the papers we cite because they are behind a paywall #overlyhonestmethods
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01-13-2013, 10:28 AM
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Curious, JSTOR was actually opposed to the federal prosecution of Swartz. They settled their grievances with him in 2011. We probably won't ever know the full story behind the government's continued persecution of Swartz, but it would be interesting to know.
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01-14-2013, 11:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philnotfil
Curious, JSTOR was actually opposed to the federal prosecution of Swartz. They settled their grievances with him in 2011. We probably won't ever know the full story behind the government's continued persecution of Swartz, but it would be interesting to know.
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Could it have been because he committed crimes ?
Or is it always persecution when we have a cuddly-looking (to some people) defendant ?
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01-16-2013, 03:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawdog88
Could it have been because he committed crimes ?
Or is it always persecution when we have a cuddly-looking (to some people) defendant ?
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Yeah, downloading academic journals is a serious "crime"!
He should have been beheaded before he was allowed to off himself!
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01-16-2013, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs
Yeah, downloading academic journals is a serious "crime"!
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They might well be a very stupid laws. And the prosecutors might have been much too overzealous. But he intentionally broke those laws. And not just misdemeanors either. He was accused of committing 13 different felonies.
We live in a society that has way too many laws and we still yet make more. Look at the new laws on gun control.
Yet once a law is on the books, prosecutors and police have a duty to prosecute people after they are arrested. If the police and prosecutors cheery pick which laws they will enforce and which ones they will not, then we have tyranny.
The answer is to eliminate stupid laws and regulations which will reduce governmental intrusions on our lives.
Yet many of the people that decry this incident are all for increase regulation on a constitutional protected right. You can't have it both ways, folks.
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01-16-2013, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson
They might well be a very stupid laws. And the prosecutors might have been much too overzealous. But he intentionally broke those laws. And not just misdemeanors either. He was accused of committing 13 different felonies.
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So what? It's not a real crime to break stupid laws.
if the government made it a crime to eat cantaloupe, it wouldn't truly be a crime.
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Yet once a law is on the books, prosecutors and police have a duty to prosecute people after they are arrested. If the police and prosecutors cheery pick which laws they will enforce and which ones they will not, then we have tyranny.
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It's interesting that you would say this, because it's basically the same defense the Nazis used at Nuremberg. "We were just following orders, it was the law".
It's not cherry picking the enforcement of laws that makes tyranny, it's the laws themselves.
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The answer is to eliminate stupid laws and regulations which will reduce governmental intrusions on our lives.
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There you go. Now you're on the right track.
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01-16-2013, 06:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs
Yeah, downloading academic journals is a serious "crime"!
He should have been beheaded before he was allowed to off himself!
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Theft is a crime, and everything is relative. People who own creative works, whether scholars, photographers, artists, movie directors, entertainers, etc., try to protect their product. To steal it (download it without paying for it) is prosecuted these days, just like any other form of theft.
I always have clients who rationalize the (non)gravity of their offenses, by saying things like, (drug traffickers): "hey, I know murderers who didn't get this much time;" or, (murderers): "hey, I know child rapers who didn't get this much time;" or (white-collar guys), "hey, I got more time than murderers, traffickers, and baby rapers, what gives ?"; etc., etc., etc.
Don't like laws, try another country where a man can be truly free. And be sure to write when you find work.
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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01-16-2013, 07:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawdog88
Theft is a crime, and everything is relative. People who own creative works, whether scholars, photographers, artists, movie directors, entertainers, etc., try to protect their product. To steal it (download it without paying for it) is prosecuted these days, just like any other form of theft.
I always have clients who rationalize the (non)gravity of their offenses, by saying things like, (drug traffickers): "hey, I know murderers who didn't get this much time;" or, (murderers): "hey, I know child rapers who didn't get this much time;" or (white-collar guys), "hey, I got more time than murderers, traffickers, and baby rapers, what gives ?"; etc., etc., etc.
Don't like laws, try another country where a man can be truly free. And be sure to write when you find work.
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Downloading information from the internet, or the copying of intellectual property, isn't theft, since intellectual property isn't truly property. And just because it's prosecuted doesn't mean it's theft.
If you don't like me expressing my views, try a country where people can't speak freely. I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year.
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01-13-2013, 02:00 PM
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They were using the Jstor charges to go after him for the PACER theft.
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