Grades vs Marq.

[tupacbiff]

Just another dominant performance. Hopefully Murphy (back?) and Wilbekin (knee?) are ok. Onto the grades...

Rosario, 4: Typical Mike game. Some good and some bad. 6-6 from the foul line

KB, 3: 5 asst were the positive but couldn't get much going offensively. Defensively he was sub par as he was beat off the dribble a few times which is unlike him. No reb and didnt really try in the 1st half.

Murhpy, 5: Was looking to have a very nice game but then left w/ an injury

Yeguete, 7: A pure beast defensively. Nice reb effort and looked good offensively

Wilbekin, 3: Nice def effort but was not great on offense. Made some nice plays and took care of the ball. Typical ball hawking defense. Seemed to rush some shots.

Prather, 7: Extremely efficient and could not be stopped off the bounce. Its clear the game has really slowed down for him. Did not miss but seemed lost on the def glass.

Frazier II, 8: Outstanding shooting from deep all game. He was our spark in the 1st half. What I really like about this kid is his ability to read the def and know where to spot up. He has a veteran savy on where to slide offensively to give him the catch and shoot ability. He really reminds of Lee Humphrey in that respect. However, his game is starting to remind me of Ronnie Henderson of LSU fame.

Young, 6: Great overall effort. I thought at times running he looked like he was dealing with a knee or hip bruise. Incredible post D along w/ murphy. Just denied the marq big good pos and ability to catch all night. Classic run back to block them on a break.

Coaching: First off Pelphrey's shirt/tie combination was beyond vile. Did he look in the mirror? As for Billy, I want to hear the story behind Patric's benching. I am not sure I believe Franchilla's version. I loved that our FT shooting was great and that despite being up 30 our def was still really competing. I also liked that he stuck w/ Frazier on the hot streak.

Refs, 9: They were simply put outstanding. Why? Well they allowed Murphy and Young to play legal but tough post D. Most refs would have blown the whistle a few times on their D incorrectly. Both Young and Murph battled hard with their lower body and it was clean. Sure they missed some calls and got some wrong but it is so rare to see refs call actual fouls and not anticipate what they think is usually a foul and blow the whistle early.

Announcers, 1: I dont think 30 sec went by without Franchilla mentioning Young's benching and his lack of motor/fatigue issues. It was beyond beating a dead horse it was OCD like. For a guy with such knowledge about players you would think he would have something interesting to say but never did.

Team Off: Despite the blow out I dont think we executed very well especially in the 1st 10 min.

Team D: Outstanding. The post D was just pure domination and our zone was very active and eliminated the passing lanes.

[Go2gtr]

Young sitting at the start was Billy's message to him that he isn't giving full effort. Young responded, big time. Billy used the bench to get his attention and he responded. It was intentional and it worked. I never saw Young play as hard and as passionate as he did tonight.

[MiracleMax]

It's an indictment of Young that he might require this kind of discipline in order to be fully motivated. He needs to grow up.

[fox]

Originally Posted by MiracleMax

It's an indictment of Young that he might require this kind of discipline in order to be fully motivated. He needs to grow up.

Young has been extremely mature and level headed from the day he stepped on campus. His work ethic and sincerity has been awesome, with a humility rarely seen for such a strong big man. DO we all need a nudge now and again - yes!

He's a beast, BD knows he can be beastier. The ploy says a lot more about BD than it does about Young.

[akaGatorhoops]

Originally Posted by fox

Young has been extremely mature and level headed from the day he stepped on campus. His work ethic and sincerity has been awesome, with a humility rarely seen for such a strong big man. DO we all need a nudge now and again - yes!

He's a beast, BD knows he can be beastier. The ploy says a lot more about BD than it does about Young.

I agree with all of the above, with exception to the highlighted area. As recently as last week, Billy has made comment beginning with the preface . . . "when he plays hard". Last year, clashes over his intensity and practice efforts boiled over and culminated in Tony Dungy calling PY. He is a nice kid, a talented player and a physical beast.... but if we are being truthful, he has not shown a strong, sustained work ethic. That is not a component of his game or makeup that I can honestly call "awesome".

[rserina]

Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

I agree with all of the above, with exception to the highlighted area. As recently as last week, Billy has made comment beginning with the preface . . . "when he plays hard". Last year, clashes over his intensity and practice efforts boiled over and culminated in Tony Dungy calling PY. He is a nice kid, a talented player and a physical beat.... but if we are being truthful, he has not shown a strong, sustained work ethic. That is not a component of his game or makeup that I can honestly call "awesome".

Nitpicking here, but I would probably distinguish work ethic from Young's problem, which has more to do with intensity. He works incredibly hard. Just recall some of those training videos from the offseason. His ability to sustain intensity, in part because of his fairly sanguine personality and in part because at his size he has never needed to play with consistent intensity to dominate a game, has been the real issue. That is what inhibits him from fighting through fatigue, not his ability to work hard. Odds are that you don't look like a defensive end in a basketball uniform without a willingness to work.

We've had a mix of bigs over the years who because of their natural competitiveness were able to play consistently hard (Haslem, Bonner, Noah, Horford) and we've had others for whom it was a struggle (Lee, Richard, Speights, Macklin his first year). Young is definitely in the latter group to date, but I see no reason he can't climb out of it the way Lee did the second half of his senior year, when he averaged over ten boards in league play and earned himself a spot in the first round, or Richard did when he shot 85% (!) in league play his senior year or Macklin did when he shot 77% the second half of his senior season. It comes as nor surprise that those three teams all improved (immensely so in the case of the Lee and Macklin years) right along with they more consistent effort of those bigs on the court. I am optimistic we see the same thing this year.

[akaGatorhoops]

Originally Posted by rserina

Nitpicking here, but I would probably distinguish work ethic from Young's problem, which has more to do with intensity. He works incredibly hard. Just recall some of those training videos from the offseason. His ability to sustain intensity, in part because of his fairly sanguine personality and in part because at his size he has never needed to play with consistent intensity to dominate a game, has been the real issue. That is what inhibits him from fighting through fatigue, not his ability to work hard. Odds are that you don't look like a defensive end in a basketball uniform without a willingness to work.

I would agree, other than Billy's criticisms of practice habits would point to a "work ethic" component. Still . . . it is semantics.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by MiracleMax

It's an indictment of Young that he might require this kind of discipline in order to be fully motivated. He needs to grow up.

Donovan essentially did the same thing to Lee as a senior against FSU. It happens.

[akaGatorhoops]

"First off Pelphrey's shirt/tie combination was beyond vile."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GreenGatorGuy6218]

Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

"First off Pelphrey's shirt/tie combination was beyond vile."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was my favorite part of the report too. LOL

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Originally Posted by tupacbiff

Just another dominant performance. Hopefully Murphy (back?) and Wilbekin (knee?) are ok. Onto the grades...

Rosario, 4: Typical Mike game. Some good and some bad. 6-6 from the foul line

KB, 3: 5 asst were the positive but couldn't get much going offensively. Defensively he was sub par as he was beat off the dribble a few times which is unlike him. No reb and didnt really try in the 1st half.

Murhpy, 5: Was looking to have a very nice game but then left w/ an injury

Yeguete, 7: A pure beast defensively. Nice reb effort and looked good offensively

Wilbekin, 3: Nice def effort but was not great on offense. Made some nice plays and took care of the ball. Typical ball hawking defense. Seemed to rush some shots.

Prather, 7: Extremely efficient and could not be stopped off the bounce. Its clear the game has really slowed down for him. Did not miss but seemed lost on the def glass.

Frazier II, 8: Outstanding shooting from deep all game. He was our spark in the 1st half. What I really like about this kid is his ability to read the def and know where to spot up. He has a veteran savy on where to slide offensively to give him the catch and shoot ability. He really reminds of Lee Humphrey in that respect. However, his game is starting to remind me of Ronnie Henderson of LSU fame.

Young, 6: Great overall effort. I thought at times running he looked like he was dealing with a knee or hip bruise. Incredible post D along w/ murphy. Just denied the marq big good pos and ability to catch all night. Classic run back to block them on a break.

Coaching: First off Pelphrey's shirt/tie combination was beyond vile. Did he look in the mirror? As for Billy, I want to hear the story behind Patric's benching. I am not sure I believe Franchilla's version. I loved that our FT shooting was great and that despite being up 30 our def was still really competing. I also liked that he stuck w/ Frazier on the hot streak.

Refs, 9: They were simply put outstanding. Why? Well they allowed Murphy and Young to play legal but tough post D. Most refs would have blown the whistle a few times on their D incorrectly. Both Young and Murph battled hard with their lower body and it was clean. Sure they missed some calls and got some wrong but it is so rare to see refs call actual fouls and not anticipate what they think is usually a foul and blow the whistle early.

Announcers, 1: I dont think 30 sec went by without Franchilla mentioning Young's benching and his lack of motor/fatigue issues. It was beyond beating a dead horse it was OCD like. For a guy with such knowledge about players you would think he would have something interesting to say but never did.

Team Off: Despite the blow out I dont think we executed very well especially in the 1st 10 min.

Team D: Outstanding. The post D was just pure domination and our zone was very active and eliminated the passing lanes.

amazing that we can win by 30 and only one starter WY, scored above his Tupac average

[tupacbiff]

Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator

amazing that we can win by 30 and only one starter WY, scored above his Tupac average

So point out where u disagree.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Originally Posted by tupacbiff

So point out where u disagree.

Interestingly, I don't necessarily disagree, maybe Rosario I'd give a 6 or so, I am loving his energy and effort, he still forces too many and maybe deserves only a five for not giving the ball up on a couple of fast break efforts, maybe Kenny Boynton a 5 but when he scores so far below his average it is hard to argue with you. What we have is a team where guys like Prather, Frazier and last night Young, can come off the bench and really contribute, score above their Tupac average and we roll a pretty good team.

[GatorRade]

Originally Posted by tupacbiff

So point out where u disagree.

Personally, I'd say Young deserves better than a 6. He was an enforcer, flashed some nice moves, forced steals, passed well, and denied the post with authority. If that is his 6, his 10 must be a sight to behold.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by GatorRade

Personally, I'd say Young deserves better than a 6. He was an enforcer, flashed some nice moves, forced steals, passed well, and denied the post with authority. If that is his 6, his 10 must be a sight to behold.

I believe a "10" is Tupac raining threes at the local YMCA (not implying anything with the YMCA part, of course).

[GatorRade]

Originally Posted by rserina

I believe a "10" is Tupac raining threes at the local YMCA (not implying anything with the YMCA part, of course).

Indeed it would be a sight to behold.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by GatorRade

Personally, I'd say Young deserves better than a 6. He was an enforcer, flashed some nice moves, forced steals, passed well, and denied the post with authority. If that is his 6, his 10 must be a sight to behold.

One of his best all around games. At both ends of the floor, he was a difference maker. He made hustle plays, including that steal at half court. Every one of his blocks were well timed.

Last night was an indication of what Patric can be every night.

[akaGatorhoops]

I gotta ask... what did you find unbelievable about Fran's story relating to Young? We know he was benched for reasons other than injury or illness. We also know that he has had issues with energy and effort in the past.... issues that Coach has openly questioned, and issues that nearly boiled over last season. We know that Donovan referenced it again this season when he said:
"When he plays really hard with great passion and great energy, there's no way that he should not score 15 to 20 points and he should not grab between 11 and 15 rebounds every game."

So why would you doubt a story in which he was benched for similar reasons?

[dailydoublecat]

You guys have to be thrilled here it is November and you guys are way ahead of schedule!! I'm very happy for the Gator basketball fans on this site. I absolutely love Donovans style of play, the unselfishness, and the shooting ability of nearly the whole team. Kudos on a great start. Hold on to your hats your going onto big things with this group.
Jeff

[akaGatorhoops]

Originally Posted by dailydoublecat

You guys have to be thrilled here it is November and you guys are way ahead of schedule!! I'm very happy for the Gator basketball fans on this site. I absolutely love Donovans style of play, the unselfishness, and the shooting ability of nearly the whole team. Kudos on a great start. Hold on to your hats your going onto big things with this group.
Jeff

thanks, jeff.
more than just the results... i love the way the team plays the game. i really like seeing a team committ to defense.
i am becoming a bigger will yeguete fan by the day.