“The Government was the Primary Source of Misinformation During the Pandemic and the Government…

Sure I will. I'm reading the first study now. Trying to figure out their methodology before I accept their results. Which is what I asked for. Instead I got a google search.

 

If you want a good laugh go read the Covid thread from the beginning. THFSG covid thread. Clearly the primary source of misinformation during the pandemic on the planet was Gator95.

Trump called it a hoax in February of 2020 and was trying to spin it as Democratic propaganda from the beginning and it degenerated from there into partisanship of the right.

There were ZERO posts from the OP Q in two years on that thread. Suddenly after years of private study apparently he wants to pretend he is an under respected genius in viral behavior.

But no one takes the prize from gator95.

Here is gator95 claiming there are no excess deaths No excess deaths while spending the next year of his life trying to convince everyone no one was dying of covid with links and everything. So funny. Its a hoax!!

Same poster starts the vaccine nonsense as early as Jan 2021 with virtually no data: Bogus Vaccine Post by 95



Credit for the March 3rd 2020 post by BigCypressGator1981 that nailed the next 3 years of life in the US totally spot on: Juliana Grant Posting

 

Or look at this chart. The dotted lines are unvaccinated. The solid lines are vaccinated. The only vaccinated group that died at higher rates were 80+, who died at rates higher than unvaccinated 49 and older. But by age group, the vaccinated died at much lower rates for all age groups.

 

Well my assumption was you knew how to click on a link. So I gave you a google search with many links to the research you asked for.

 

Number of people who died from not being vaccinated: 0

 

From your graph, it looks like the vast majority of lives saved were 65 and over. Cool. You might have an argument about 50+. There is absolutely no reason to vaccinate those under 50, since it didn't prevent you from catching or spreading Covid. The vaccine was about managing the deaths related to Covid, so we have been told.

According to the 2020 census data, 27% of people were over 50. So if we extrapolate that data, 92 Million people were over 50.
Unvaxxed 50+ looks like an average of around 40 deaths per 100,000. Vaxxed looks like an average of maybe 5 deaths per 100,000.

There are 920 groups of 100,000 in 92 Million people. The difference in deaths between 40 unvaxxed and 5 vaxxed is 35 lives saved per 100,000. If we multiply 35 lives saved times 920, we get 32,200 lives saved. So you are correct on thousands of lives saved. Those claiming millions of lives saved are wrong.

My methodology is right here for everyone to see. If I made an arithmetic or logic error, vaccine champions let me know so I can correct them and revise my analysis.

 

The model that AZ posted shows it was basically no threat to people under 50. Vaccine made no sense for people under 50.

 

The chart is just a small snapshot in time, when the vaccine was beginning to be distributed. And the vaccine also prevents transmission, which means even the unvaccinated has some protections. And overall, 50 and older, over 1 million people died from COVID. And 75,000 50 and under, with the overwhelming majority of them being unvaccinated.

Also, I never said just in the US. And even in the US, the vaccine, even by your math, saved tens of thousands. World wide, hundreds of thousands, if not more.

 

Death is the worst outcome, but not the only bad outcome with a COVID infection. The vaccine also protected thousands from a hospital stay.

 

Since excess mortality was higher in 2021 than in 2020, one could easily surmise that vaccines were killing people.

 

This study looked at pre-vaccination death rates, and then estimated the number of potential saved lives May 30, 2021 through Sep 3, 2022. Their estimate was 232,000 lives could have been saved with full vaccination rates.

 

You made an error in logic. You are taking the covid death rate at a point in time and applying it to a whole year. The covid death rate in 2021 for the age 50+ group was a lot higher than 40 per 100,000. 415,000 people in the US died of covid in 2021 -- the vast majority of those deaths were among the age 50+ group. If there were 92 million people in that group and, say, 350,000 of them died of covid in 2021, then the mortality rate for the age 50+ group is about 380 per 100,000 for the whole year.

 

Now lets take your estimate that the unvaccinated were 8 times more likely to die than the vaccinated, and apply some assumptions to it. Let's say that half the population is vaccinated and half the population is unvaccinated. Using your estimate that the age 50+ population is 92,000,000 people that means there are 46,000,000 in each group (vaccinated vs. unvaccinated). Now for sake of mathematical simplicity, let's say that 450,000 of them die. At 8 to 1, that means that 400,000 unvaccinated died and 50,000 vaccinated died. That means the mortality rate for the vaccinated group is 50,000 out of 46 million, or 109 out of 100,000. The mortality rate for the unvaccinated group is 400,000 out of 46 million, or 869 out of 100,000. So applying the unvaccinated mortality rate to the entire group of 92 million means that about 800,000 would have died if the entire group were unvaccinated. So, without vaccinations, there would have been about 350,000 more deaths in this semi-hypothetical example. And that is for one year. Now do it for 2022 and 2023 and you are getting in the range of 1 million lives saved. And that is just for the US. My claim that the vaccines saved millions of lives is for the entire world.

 

This was the only reference I could find to Stanford's president in that piece:

As far as I know the university president refused to censor Bhattacarya for his testimony to DeSantis.

Do you have anything about how Bhattacarya took the president on and the president was put in their place?

 

Excess deaths can readily be explained, without reference to a pathogen. Multitudes died from the *effects* of panic and despair.

Also, Trump restricted travel from China and Democrats cried “”Xenophobe!”

 

Sadly, people really are this hopeless …