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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. GatorJMDZ

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    I'm sure you'll command a good price, hopefully to a nice home.:D

    EDIT: I'VE BEEN BLUKED!!!!!
     
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  2. uftaipan

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    For what it’s worth, should it come to direct action, I believe we could defeat Russia without ground troops. The ground troops, Ukrainians, are already there. What they need is air and, perhaps, maritime power.

    But before it came to that, a whole range of nonkinetic measures could be tried. For instance, imagine what a show of force it would be for us to declare that we would be salvaging Moskva, which would be our right under the law of the sea as Russia has abandoned the wreck. Our Navy and Air Force would necessarily have to provide security for the operation, since it’s so close to a war zone. Odesa (with Ukraine’s permission) makes the most sense as a base of operations, and of course we would have to secure that as well (air defenses, etc). When Russia whines, simply ask them, “Are you going to (try to) attack U.S. forces conducting a legal salvage operation in international waters or not?”

    President Biden called FDR to mind in his SOTU last January. What I just described is something FDR would have done (completely under the scope of his authority) to put a finger in Hitler’s chest and say, “What are you going to do about it?”
     
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  3. tampagtr

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    Very informative. But still worrisome. Nukes are nukes, but beyond that is cyber vulnerability and whether we also might lose some valuable assets to drones. I know we're better than them, but I still worry.

    I think it would be at a price
     
  4. slayerxing

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    Ohhh that's a really cool idea. Too bad we don't have anyone in the administration with the balls to attempt that. I doubt Russia would have the stones to really intervene.
     
  5. uftaipan

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    Your instinct is correct in my opinion. I would say in the beginning we did not have a good idea about how far Russia was willing to go, but now we have a solid idea of how scared they are of us. If they really believed we would push the matter, they would seek as graceful of an exit as they could. Second and related, I would encourage you to read a book called Putin’s Kleptocracy by Karen Dawisha. It’s intrinsically interesting to learn how Putin came to power and how he keeps it, but my main point is that Putin and his key holders live particularly large. People who live as large as they do don’t go starting nuclear wars. It’s all a bluff.
     
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  6. chemgator

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    Some bad news for the Russophiles and Moscow Marge. Russia has discovered corruption in its lily-white ranks. Will they continue to support a corrupt regime in Moscow? A deputy defense minister has been found taking bribes.

    Russian deputy defence minister arrested on suspicion of taking bribes

     
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  7. slayerxing

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    thanks for the recommendation. I’ve thought the same thing for a long while now and it saddens me that the west has been so slow to lean on him more. It’s still shocking to me that macron was the first one.
     
  8. sierragator

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    coming soon to balcony near him....
     
  9. GatorJMDZ

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    Senate voting live now:

     
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  10. GatorJMDZ

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    Sarah Palin, that maverick who could have been a heartbeat away from the presidency, referred to the war in Ukraine war as the "fake Ukrainian 'conflict.'"

    "Palin wrote: “These people are despicable, & this is heartbreaking. Your US Congressmen waving Ukrainian flag – not our flag – whilst celebrating $100billion foreign aid package, most for the fake Ukrainian ‘conflict’ that diverts your US tax dollars from our own security & sovereignty. Your representatives are taunting us. Both sides of the aisle. Do they really think this will end well?”

    MSN
     
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  11. sierragator

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    She's more of an idiot that we thought she was.
     
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  12. BLING

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    That level of stupid was shocking at the time. Now it’s basically representative.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    The best reason to keep our troops out of Ukraine, our ships away from its waters and our planes out of its skies: when Ukraine is defeated we can beat our breasts about the way we would have shown Russia had they let us.
     
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    Catching up. Is Trump still a Russian agent after giving Johnson political cover to pursue $61 billion in additional military aid for Ukraine? What is James Clapper saying?
     
  15. slayerxing

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  16. okeechobee

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    I am disappointed in Trump’s decision on this matter. But I’ve never been a carte Blanche Trumper. There are elements of the swamp that hate him and I do believe he cares more about regular folk than Joe Biden, but you don’t become POTUS without cutting some deals on the side with the various industrial complexes that exist in this country.

    At best, this decision is a gamble. I surely hope it doesn’t backfire. It’s not a small detail that it appears Britain and the EU are going to double down on aid as well. Hope it works out, but Zelenskyy is highly corrupt.
     
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  17. vegasfox

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    Putin should teach the US and NATO a lesson. One they won't soon forget.

     
  18. PITBOSS

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    “At a press conference, the Kentucky Republican pinpointed two men responsible for that delay: former Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson and former President Donald Trump.

    The demonization of Ukraine began by Tucker Carlson,…..
    And then our nominee for president didn’t seem to want us to do anything at all,” McConnell said. “That took months to work our way through it.”


    Mitch McConnell says Tucker Carlson and Trump's waffling delayed crucial Ukraine aid
     
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  19. Gatorhead

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    Stunning how many elected GOP representatives, particularily since the time of Trump, apparantly have no clue of US strategic foreign policy,
    why NATO was created, how many AMERICANS died in two major conflicts - Korea and Vietnam - fighting against SOVIET / Russian ideological
    and political expansion (where does the GOP think N Korea and N Vietnam got their weapons from?), the CUBAN missle crises, and innumerable
    small scale geo/political wars in all parts of the world. (Including S America).

    Just goes to show how IGNORANT the GOP voting public is and how, instead of educating themselves, follow lock step behind a crook, traitor and idiot,
    that thinks Russia, N Korea, and totalitarian regimes are "our friends" and the best form of Gov't.

    My best friends father had his head blown off in Nam, Oct. 67, courtesy of a Russian made machine gun and ammo. Yeah, the Russians are our friends.

    Makes me want to VOMIT!
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    It’s going to be damned difficult to get libbies to let go of Trump as a locus of animus.