Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Thanks Joe. Joel is very appreciative

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ATLGATORFAN, Apr 23, 2024.

  1. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    9,881
    773
    348
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    How is that even possible?
    Did he never pay on the loan?
    A dollar a month on the principal?
    I borrowed like 40k and had it paid off in like 10 years without even trying to pay it off fast.
     
  2. NavyGator93

    NavyGator93 GC Hall of Fame

    1,202
    476
    2,663
    Dec 4, 2015
    Georgia
    Not going to delve into the numbers but I generally disagree with student loan forgiveness.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2024
    • Like Like x 1
  3. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    7,485
    1,634
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    Until they fix the root of the problem theyre wasting their time and our money.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. NavyGator93

    NavyGator93 GC Hall of Fame

    1,202
    476
    2,663
    Dec 4, 2015
    Georgia
    You may have said it elsewhere, what do you think the root problem is?
    I have two boys in school now so I am curious.
     
  5. okeechobee

    okeechobee GC Hall of Fame

    5,682
    688
    278
    Sep 11, 2022
    Oh, it’s possible. People work the system all the time. Especially when the administration telegraphs mass loan forgiveness. Honestly, if I was in the same situation, I would accept the money too. Who wouldn’t? Doesn’t make it right. But take the money, because eventually government is going to get it from you some other way. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
     
  6. g8trdoc

    g8trdoc Premium Member

    3,334
    418
    353
    Apr 3, 2007
    Mind numbing stupidity from crooks.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  7. okeechobee

    okeechobee GC Hall of Fame

    5,682
    688
    278
    Sep 11, 2022
    Root problem is guaranteeing loans with shitty collateral. How many banks would do a mortgage on a home they know will lose almost all of its value within 15 years? Not a one. So why is the government guaranteeing loans for degrees in performing arts and music? Not only is it a bad loan to write from the get go, it also drives up the cost of tuition as money is too easily accessible to pay the ridiculous fees being charged to acquire such an “education.”

    But the student loan quagmire is what it is because the government is blessing very shitty loans with almost no hope of repayment. Much like the banks were doing in 2005-2007 in the run up to the Great Recession. At least then, banks had a reliable performance of collateral to fall back on. Such performance doesn’t exist with many of these student loans. Why in the world would you guarantee such a raw deal with taxpayer money? Malfeasance.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  8. WC53

    WC53 GC Hall of Fame

    4,002
    865
    2,088
    Oct 17, 2015
    Old City
    Paying loan sharks and not blowing up the system.
     
  9. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    9,881
    773
    348
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    I’d say it’s multi factorial, but a big part is the cost that schools charge, they know the Gov will loan the money so they know they will get paid. If people weren’t “able “ to planck down 80k a year tuition do you think the schools would charge that?

    The other big part is some use the ability to get loans easy as a license to borrow any and live large while in school. Not saying everyone does that but many kids think it beneath them to work while at college. It will ruin their “college” experience.

    A big part of the reason I had a small amount of student debt was that I worked the entire time I was in college(save PA school I even did some shift work here and there even though it was frowned upon).
    Got to UF with 160+ credit hours and SL free.
    Wasn’t easy but isn’t that the way things usually work?
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

    3,232
    736
    2,463
    Jul 4, 2020
    I guess I have to post this on every student loan thread, but no one else is picking up the tab for these forgiveness cases.

    Wiping interest off a financial ledger where the principal was long since paid off doesn't cost any person anything.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1
  11. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

    27,569
    1,530
    1,968
    Apr 19, 2007
    These threads are always about certain people's sensibilities about debt, not reason
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  12. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

    3,232
    736
    2,463
    Jul 4, 2020
    Forgive criminal PPP loans, no problem. Write the big banks bailout checks in 2008, no problem.

    Help people being screwed with usurious interest over decades, BIG problem!
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  13. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

    27,569
    1,530
    1,968
    Apr 19, 2007
    "How do we pay for it" only applies to things that help ordinary people, this guy should have bought arms from the government to fight in a proxy war or something, not gone to school.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    7,485
    1,634
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    So we just wipe these debts off every 10 years or so for the next generation? I don't oppose the forgiveness, but what's the point of we get to do it again and again and again. I support amnesty for illegals here, but not until we actually control the influx at the border. Fix the problems.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  15. okeechobee

    okeechobee GC Hall of Fame

    5,682
    688
    278
    Sep 11, 2022
    Am I the only one who thought this was going to be another trans thread before opening?
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  16. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

    27,569
    1,530
    1,968
    Apr 19, 2007
    Ah one thing America is really good at, fixing fundamental root-cause problems
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  17. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

    27,569
    1,530
    1,968
    Apr 19, 2007
    Yes, and this really demonstrates how your brain operates
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  18. NavyGator93

    NavyGator93 GC Hall of Fame

    1,202
    476
    2,663
    Dec 4, 2015
    Georgia
    I have a problem with each one you mentioned. And most subsidies. And repetitive loss National Flood insurance properties. Maybe NFIP in general.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. ATLGATORFAN

    ATLGATORFAN Premium Member

    2,750
    735
    2,153
    Aug 10, 2015
    No able bodied person should have that debt forgiven/ paid by others. Period. It was taken voluntarily. If there are true exceptions such as grave medical issue, car accident etc that prevented that person from working then sure. But this is not that. He clearly had opportunity to work in another career and chose not to…. for decades. 249,000 is a shi ton.

    Anecdotal alert. My kids God parent has a PhD ( went to UGa) in child psychology and got her first real job at north Atlanta school system. Her fiancé. pharm D. Great guy just got his first real job also in north Atlanta. Both hard working Great people…both got letters about portion(s) of their debt forgiven. They don’t need it. Of course will take it.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    7,485
    1,634
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    Just gotta label college debt as "woke" and MTG will be all over fixing it.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1