Uh oh. Another trans thread

Why do you have no way of knowing that? What does the data show? I can't speak to what happened when Ms. Powell was considering transitioning. Outside of her, her family, and the doctors, nobody can. But the simple truth is that there's no such thing as perfect healthcare. All medical procedures have regret rates. Yet, the data on detransition and regret for gender-affirming care, particularly the most significant interventions, show that both rates are very low. We can continue to make the process better. But it's never going to make the process foolproof.

I will point this out with Ms. Powell:
One detransitioner, Grace Powell, a 23-year-old woman, said she started to feel awkward in her body when she was 12 or 13 and came to believe that her discomfort was the result of having been “born in the wrong body.” She began to transition physically in high school, Paul wrote, because “the narrative she had heard and absorbed was that if you don’t transition, you’ll kill yourself.” By the time she graduated high school, she was on testosterone and had undergone a double mastectomy.

It sounds like all of this happened over a period of five or six years. Her treatment gradually ramped up over that time. Clearly, she spoke to ways we could make it better. And it's worth considering her points. But at the end of the day, when a person tells you that they're transgender over that sort of sustained period and continues to want medical interventions, I'm not sure how a system can perfectly account for them potentially changing their mind later. As I said, it's just not possible to create a foolproof system. We can't predict the future. All we can do is endeavor to create the best possible standards that will do the least amount of harm.

For some folks, it might be a lot to process. I can't speak to that. I never questioned my gender identity.

 

While I’ll commend your for the honest answer it isn’t a satisfying one. If we don’t even know what it is and has no definition or identifiable characteristics, as a matter of medical science how do you treat it, much less incorporate it into society to the extent it is relevant.

It seems to me at this point gender is irrelevant. It doesn’t mean anything. We should almost do away with the concept. There is biological sex, which is applicable to a few things where it is relevant, and otherwise you can dress, talk, act and love who you want.

 

For those saying that leaving the Trans issue up to governing bodies this is what happens. If my daughter had to compete against biological males in sports I'd be livid. Just crazy people think this is "ok". This shouldn't be a left or right issue. Science shows males are better athletes than females. It's why we have both men's and women's sports in High School. This is next level stupid letting this BS happen.

Male Runner Finishes 2nd In Two Girls' Races, Would've Been Near Last Among Boys

That thing that supposedly never happens …happened again. A trans-identifying male high school student made the podium in two girls' track and field events over the weekend — and he would have finished almost last in the boys' events.

Aayden Gallagher took second place in both the girls' 200-meter and 400-meter at the Sherwood High School Need for Speed Classic in Oregon on April 13. Gallagher finished the 200m in 25.49 seconds and the 400m in 55.61 seconds. He would have finished 61st (out of 65) and 46th (out of 58), respectively, in the boy's events.

A video circulating on social media shows Gallagher several meters ahead of the other runners as he easily beats his female competition. Running in a separate heat, only one female finished with a faster time in the 200m (24.43). The winner of the 400m barely edged Gallagher with a time of 55.47 seconds.

 

Opinion | The Courage to Follow the Evidence on Transgender Care



Hilary Cass is the kind of hero the world needs today. She has entered one of the most toxic debates in our culture: how the medical community should respond to the growing numbers of young people who seek gender transition through medical treatments, including puberty blockers and hormone therapies. This month, after more than three years of research, Cass, a pediatrician, produced a report, commissioned by the National Health Service in England, that is remarkable for its empathy for people on all sides of this issue, for its humility in the face of complex social trends we don’t understand and for its intellectual integrity as we try to figure out which treatments actually work to serve those patients who are in distress. With incredible courage, she shows that careful scholarship can cut through debates that have been marked by vituperation and intimidation and possibly reset them on more rational grounds.

Cass, a past president of Britain’s Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, is clear about the mission of her report: “This review is not about defining what it means to be trans, nor is it about undermining the validity of trans identities, challenging the right of people to express themselves or rolling back on people’s rights to health care. It is about what the health care approach should be, and how best to help the growing number of children and young people who are looking for support from the N.H.S. in relation to their gender identity.”

This issue begins with a mystery. For reasons that are not clear, the number of adolescents who have sought to medically change their sex has been skyrocketing in recent years, though the overall number remains very small. For reasons that are also not clear, adolescents who were assigned female at birth are driving this trend, whereas before the late 2000s, it was mostly adolescents who were assigned male at birth who sought these treatments.

Doctors and researchers have proposed various theories to try to explain these trends. One is that greater social acceptance of trans people has enabled people to seek these therapies. Another is that teenagers are being influenced by the popularity of searching and experimenting around identity. A third is that the rise of teen mental health issues may be contributing to gender dysphoria. In her report, Cass is skeptical of broad generalizations in the absence of clear evidence; these are individual children and adolescents who take their own routes to who they are.

 

IF this is true this is sick.

Children's gender clinic whistleblower tells Dr Phil patients were begging 'to have breasts put back on' and bosses told medics to 'keep silent' on de-transitioners | Daily Mail Online


An internal investigation into the center in April last year found that 531 of the 1,165 children who sought help after 2018 received 'cross-sex hormones' and puberty blockers.

But Reed pointed out that hormone prescriptions can have irreversible and life-altering consequences, such as sterility.

'You're telling me that a 12- or 13-year-old, who can't decide which pajamas to wear, can come in and say, 'I've decided that I want to transition?' demanded Dr Phil.

'And with no more than two visits, not even a couple of hours, they say 'Okay, start taking this, start doing this,' which alters their biochemistry in a way that you can't come back from?'

 

Saddest part is that libbies don’t have the common sense to know this is wrong and still won’t admit that they are supporting this.
Libbies are a big part of the problem.

 

Story is a year old. And already disputed and debunked.

And that's a problem with many conservatives. You believe anything you read that supports your beliefs, regardless of what the truth actually is. And when you believe almost anything, you fall for every lie.

 

See what happens? "debunked"? because someone else disputes it? Can't fix stupid.

 

Yes, debunked by the people who actually went to the clinic and said Reed's story is full of crap, and she has an obvious agenda! Whom should we believe. The "whistleblower" who can only get her story published in the Daily Mail, which is a right-wing circle-jerk publication that wouldn't know the truth if it hit them straight in the eyes? Or the trans kids and parents of the trans kid who say Reed's story is full of it?

Shouldn't be a difficult decision. Except for those with zero intellectual curiosity!

 

Ah, when you can’t discredit the person, move to the media source! This charlatan is still trying to convince people that lockdowns and school closures were the right move. Why anyone doesn’t just laugh at this poster is beyond me LOL.

 

Let's see. A person who can only get her story published in the Daily Mail because no credible source is touching it, because the people the story is actually about is saying she is full of crap should be trusted because.....? Only a moron with zero intellectual curiosity would think this woman has any credibility....which is why you want to believe her!

 

Agree and for those unfamiliar with the Daily Mail it's a British tabloid with a conservative political agenda slightly more credible the National Enquirer and not quite as credible as the New York Post.

I know it's somewhat off-topic but for illustrative purposes these are some stories from the Daily Mail.
Taylor Swift reignites bitter feud with Kim Kardashian as she drops TWO brutal 'diss tracks' aimed at reality star on surprise 'double album' version of The Tortured Poets Department: Fans brand songs 'the ULTIMATE f**k you' | Daily Mail Online

Donald Trump trial LIVE: Prospective juror starts CRYING in the jury box as ex-president looks up when candidate says he volunteered for CLINTON | Daily Mail Online

 

This is Becky Pepper-Jackson the transgender girl who is the subject of the article. She's 15 years old and has been on puberty blockers since the age of 12. She hasn't had the advantage of a male puberty and her strength and endurance are almost certainly not superior to genetic girls.


This is Lia Thomas the college swimmer. Thomas has benefitted from male puberty and should have never been allowed to compete against female swimmers.


In case it's not obvious there two are not similar when it comes their ability to compete.

 

They've only managed to hurt themselves by being hateful. They are depriving themselves of an opportunity to compete and have fun. It's their choice. But I'm not going to celebrate it. Stupid decision. Never understand why some folks choose to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

 

By the way this is one clearly foreseeable consequence of the obsession with transgender athletes.
Utah official falsely suggests teen student is transgender, now faces calls to resign
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/15/opin...-danger-womens-sports-de-la-cretaz/index.html

A teenage girl in Utah has had to seek police protection after a member of the Utah State Board of Education suggested that she could be transgender (she is not). In a now-deleted Facebook post, board member Natalie Cline made false implications about the teenager’s gender identity. Following the incident, the girl’s parents described their daughter as a tomboy with a muscular build and short hair who favors baggy clothing, who is now being subjected to severe cyberbullying and harassment.​

 

Do have anything more to add to the discussion than this vapid drivel?

 

Please explain this. My recollection from sports is that boys and men almost always outperform girls regardless of age. Are you saying that is not the case?

 

Let's assume that's true. (I'm not so sure it's an established fact.) You're not accounting for the other girls going through puberty while she is on puberty blockers. I believe this girl is 13 and has been on puberty blockers since she was 9. The other girls are around the same age, which means they are going through puberty.