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GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 04:26 PM

Duke dawson is only listed as 3* there? Smh

They have him listed as a corner I dont really disagree. If he plays corner he is a pretty average player high 3 star low 4 star. If you think of him as a Safety/ nickle corner he is a solid 4 star player. Pretty much everybody has him ranked as a 3 */4*r 247 has him at a 90 and 89 is a 3 star player.

I think he is a lot like Elam could play emergency corner but best position is at safety and nickle. He fits our system very well which is all that really matters

Matt Elam 5'10 208
Brian Poole 5' 10" 206
Duke Dawson 5'10 188 will add prob 7 lbs in college

that would be a great succession at the nickle spot Duke is a good player not sure he is the athlete Elam and Poole were.

g0ggles

03-08-2013, 05:17 PM

Ok. I don't see him as a corner either. But a 3* just seemed low to me based on what I saw from film. wasn't expecting a 5* rating either. I can see him @ safety tho, bcuz it looks like he loves contact. Thanks for the insight AZ

HudsonGator

03-08-2013, 06:16 PM

the A & M love fest is getting ridiculous

What are you talking about?

GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 06:39 PM

What are you talking about?

limey has them winning a NC soon

gator1986

03-08-2013, 06:42 PM

the A & M love fest is getting ridiculous

He's a good, young, energetic coach followed up with the most exciting player in the college football... Why wouldn't someone want to go there? Especially the kids around that general area now they get to compete in the SEC

GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 07:21 PM

He's a good, young, energetic coach followed up with the most exciting player in the college football... Why wouldn't someone want to go there? Especially the kids around that general area now they get to compete in the SEC

They will have a good class this year. It will be interesting to see where they get their Defensive line from down year in Texas at that position.

gator1986

03-08-2013, 07:28 PM

They will have a good class this year. It will be interesting to see where they get their Defensive line from down year in Texas at that position.

A&M seems to be able to pick a little out of Florida, but I imagine Florida, but mainly Oklahoma, Nebraska, possibly Arizona? Might even be able to get something out of Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama. Now that A&M has taken that step up, it should be generally easy for them to recruit other areas, because they're the "hot" thing.

GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 07:56 PM

A&M seems to be able to pick a little out of Florida, but I imagine Florida, but mainly Oklahoma, Nebraska, possibly Arizona? Might even be able to get something out of Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama. Now that A&M has taken that step up, it should be generally easy for them to recruit other areas, because they're the "hot" thing.

They are not getting an elite Dlinemen out of Florida. They are not going to beat out Bama or Auburn in Alabama (unless the kid was from Texas) so that leaves Louisiana.

gator1986

03-08-2013, 08:00 PM

They are not getting an elite Dlinemen out of Florida. They are not going to beat out Bama or Auburn in Alabama so that leaves Louisiana.

Even picking away from LSU is difficult out of their home state. Maybe they won't get "elite" linemen out of Florida, but IMO a Florida 3 star linemen is a 4 star in most other places at times by the quality of competition each team plays weekly here in Florida. A&M can definitely extend to Arizona, and who knows we really haven't seen the full Sumlin effect yet, they just started to make a name for themselves with that team, maybe another season or two they can start picking out more in the Carolina's, or Northeast who knows. Either way a lot of kids from the Northeast want to play down south and that's a big growing name to play for.

GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 08:12 PM

Even picking away from LSU is difficult out of their home state. Maybe they won't get "elite" linemen out of Florida, but IMO a Florida 3 star linemen is a 4 star in most other places at times by the quality of competition each team plays weekly here in Florida. A&M can definitely extend to Arizona, and who knows we really haven't seen the full Sumlin effect yet, they just started to make a name for themselves with that team, maybe another season or two they can start picking out more in the Carolina's, or Northeast who knows. Either way a lot of kids from the Northeast want to play down south and that's a big growing name to play for.

They are not coming to Florida they will lose that battle. Just like we will lose the battle in Texas. It will continue to be Texas and JUCO's which is fine. I highly doubt they go to the north east too it makes no sense for them to. Texas and Texas A & M should and will continue to recruit in Texas and use JUCO to supplement talent. its just this year the DLine position is slim pickings in the state.

It will also be very interesting to see how A & M plays this year Sumlin walked into a very good situation from a talent stand point. They wont be as talented this year as they were last year.

gator1986

03-08-2013, 08:23 PM

They are not coming to Florida they will lose that battle. Just like we will lose the battle in Texas. It will continue to be Texas and JUCO's which is fine. I highly doubt they go to the north east too it makes no sense for them to. Texas and Texas A & M should and will continue to recruit in Texas and use JUCO to supplement talent. its just this year the DLine position is slim pickings in the state.

It will also be very interesting to see how A & M plays this year Sumlin walked into a very good situation from a talent stand point. They wont be as talented this year as they were last year.

Very true, the thing is Sumlin has enough talent on O to supplement their losses. It's going to be defense that will be hard on them and anyone who knows the SEC knows that defense is the best foundation to winning within this conference. As to the northeast, yes it doesn't make sense, and yes they should continue to recruit Texas and they will along with JUCO players, but it also makes no sense for a player out of the west to come to Florida or a player from the northeast to do the same other than tradition, NFL, and SEC. Now A&M can say the same thing, and they got a hot name coach like Florida and Muschamp. Granted they won't be able to come in and cherry pick through Florida, but going other places I think won't be unheard of.

GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 08:29 PM

Very true, the thing is Sumlin has enough talent on O to supplement their losses. It's going to be defense that will be hard on them and anyone who knows the SEC knows that defense is the best foundation to winning within this conference. As to the northeast, yes it doesn't make sense, and yes they should continue to recruit Texas and they will along with JUCO players, but it also makes no sense for a player out of the west to come to Florida or a player from the northeast to do the same other than tradition, NFL, and SEC. Now A&M can say the same thing, and they got a hot name coach like Florida and Muschamp. Granted they won't be able to come in and cherry pick through Florida, but going other places I think won't be unheard of.

They might get a kid if he has connections to the program but it just a lot of effort for little results. We have put some offers out in Cali this year because a few people on staff have connections out there.

I just looked Texas A & M has 69 offers out 30 in Texas 14 in Louisiana 2 n Calii 2 in AZ and 1 in Pennsylvania (JUCO0.

A & M lost a nice chunk of the WR core and a All American LT.

gator1986

03-08-2013, 08:35 PM

They might get a kid if he has connections to the program but it just a lot of effort for little results. We have put some offers out in Cali this year because a few people on staff have connections out there.

I just looked Texas A & M has 69 offers out 30 in Texas 14 in Louisiana 2 n Calii 2 in AZ and 1 in Pennsylvania (JUCO0.

A & M lost a nice chunk of the WR core and a All American LT.

You can build around Manziel, it's sort of going to be a Cam Netwon or Tim Tebow, run around till someone's open, or take off lol. And your correct, all I was saying is that they could definitely extend out this way, I would say getting a 3-4 star player out of Florida is a great result, but typically they will stick to Texas, Arizona, and I know last year they got a few out of Louisiana, Cali, and Kansas. One out of Arizona , so it seems those are the teams hot beds. Muschamp has ties to Texas and doesn't Derek Lewis?

GATORAZ

03-08-2013, 08:52 PM

You can build around Manziel, it's sort of going to be a Cam Netwon or Tim Tebow, run around till someone's open, or take off lol. And your correct, all I was saying is that they could definitely extend out this way, I would say getting a 3-4 star player out of Florida is a great result, but typically they will stick to Texas, Arizona, and I know last year they got a few out of Louisiana, Cali, and Kansas. One out of Arizona , so it seems those are the teams hot beds. Muschamp has ties to Texas and doesn't Derek Lewis?

You need players around you. The only person that has really done it on their own was Cam but JF is no Cam. Even Cam had the best DT in the country on his team that year.

On offense they will need Tre Williams and Jaquay Williams to step up. On D its all hands on deck. Thier biggest issue is what happens when Bama catches up. They were able to beat Bama because it was after the LSU game and Bama doesn't really have the personnel to match up with A & M well especially at the safety position. Saban will address that soon. They are not going to out recruit Bama or LSU over the next few years so I have a hard time seeing them go to a NC as others suggest. That being said the window of opportunity is open in 2014 when Bama and LSU are breaking in new QB's.

gator1986

03-08-2013, 09:17 PM

I could see them going to North Carolina for a player or two. 2014 I can really see it coming down to A&M and Ole Miss, and if they can step it up with the classes that they are recruiting. Alabama's back secondary was definitely weaker this season and it showed in the A&M game, and of course Saban won't miss a beat and he will have that spot filled, and Alabama should be able to get their redemption this year. They'll have to watch out because on offense alone they obviously have Manziel, but with RB- Malone, and WR's Evans and Kennedy they can still be as lethal. Not to mention a possible early draftee in Jake Matthews (OT) and their defensive front seven is young maybe inexperienced but their secondary should hold up pretty well.

619_Gator

03-08-2013, 11:57 PM

Isn't Manziel eligible to enter the draft after next year? Red shirt Soph. He seems like he would go. But then again.. He's living an almost NFL lifestyle now. Parents have money.

GATORAZ

03-09-2013, 12:30 AM

Isn't Manziel eligible to enter the draft after next year? Red shirt Soph. He seems like he would go. But then again.. He's living an almost NFL lifestyle now. Parents have money.

People thought Tebow would go early too. Maziel is 6 feet tall I dont think the NFL will be begging for him to enter the league but you never know. Next years QB class is weak again but I will take A.J. McCarron Aaron Murray Teddy Bridgewater over Johnny football.

LimeyGator

03-09-2013, 04:14 AM

the A & M love fest is getting ridiculous

limey has them winning a NC soon

Sorry, AZ. I forgot you were the only one allowed an opinion on these boards...

If we disagree, so be it.

For me, the leap to assume they could be a NC contender soon isn't that hard to comprehend. Texas is obviously a recruiting hotbed and they will draw a lot of talent nationally thanks to Johnny Manziel's prominence last year, A&M joining the SEC and the fact that they'll possibly have 2 of the Top 8-10 picks in the NFL draft this April to showcase how their staff is helping their kids. Their arrow is trending up.

They were the only team to beat Bama last year - it's not impossible to think they can become competitive in the SEC West and challenge to win it. Remember, all being well, a 1-loss SEC team is going to the NC game as things stand, all else equal.

Bama at Home, LSU in Baton Rouge and an SEC Championship game is all that stands in their way from doing it next year, even. I've gone on record on this board too as saying I think they will be media favourites to beat Bama at home in Week 3 in 2013. I fully expect them to be ranked top 5 by the time they face LSU (if not No.1) in November.

Why that's a "love fest" I don't know - it's based on logic and rational assessment. Your attitude makes you look bitter/jealous and I expected a little better of you, even if you disagree with the viewpoint.

killercroc_UF

03-09-2013, 09:15 AM

People thought Tebow would go early too. Maziel is 6 feet tall I dont think the NFL will be begging for him to enter the league but you never know. Next years QB class is weak again but I will take A.J. McCarron Aaron Murray Teddy Bridgewater over Johnny football.

Yeah. I have a feeling Teddy Bridgewater and A.J. will be hot commodities when they come out.

tugboat0278

03-09-2013, 10:16 AM

They have him listed as a corner I dont really disagree. If he plays corner he is a pretty average player high 3 star low 4 star. If you think of him as a Safety/ nickle corner he is a solid 4 star player. Pretty much everybody has him ranked as a 3 */4*r 247 has him at a 90 and 89 is a 3 star player.

I think he is a lot like Elam could play emergency corner but best position is at safety and nickle. He fits our system very well which is all that really matters

Matt Elam 5'10 208
Brian Poole 5' 10" 206
Duke Dawson 5'10 188 will add prob 7 lbs in college

that would be a great succession at the nickle spot Duke is a good player not sure he is the athlete Elam and Poole were.
He's from my hometown and trust me he's every bit of a 4 star he will knock your head off big time header

tugboat0278

03-09-2013, 10:23 AM

They have him listed as a corner I dont really disagree. If he plays corner he is a pretty average player high 3 star low 4 star. If you think of him as a Safety/ nickle corner he is a solid 4 star player. Pretty much everybody has him ranked as a 3 */4*r 247 has him at a 90 and 89 is a 3 star player.

I think he is a lot like Elam could play emergency corner but best position is at safety and nickle. He fits our system very well which is all that really matters

Matt Elam 5'10 208
Brian Poole 5' 10" 206
Duke Dawson 5'10 188 will add prob 7 lbs in college

that would be a great succession at the nickle spot Duke is a good player not sure he is the athlete Elam and Poole were.

He is from my hometown Cross City Florida I've seen him play he's a big hitter and he's definitely a 4 star he'll make it just like Nick Collins did watch out Dukes a big player

tugboat0278

03-09-2013, 10:34 AM

They have him listed as a corner I dont really disagree. If he plays corner he is a pretty average player high 3 star low 4 star. If you think of him as a Safety/ nickle corner he is a solid 4 star player. Pretty much everybody has him ranked as a 3 */4*r 247 has him at a 90 and 89 is a 3 star player.

I think he is a lot like Elam could play emergency corner but best position is at safety and nickle. He fits our system very well which is all that really matters

Matt Elam 5'10 208
Brian Poole 5' 10" 206
Duke Dawson 5'10 188 will add prob 7 lbs in college

that would be a great succession at the nickle spot Duke is a good player not sure he is the athlete Elam and Poole were.

Yeah. I have a feeling Teddy Bridgewater and A.J. will be hot commodities when they come out.

I guess everybody is just totally forgetting about a man named Doug Flutie did he go to the NFL yeah I think you did was he small yeah I think it was never count out the small guys I think about that

tugboat0278

03-09-2013, 10:35 AM

Yeah. I have a feeling Teddy Bridgewater and A.J. will be hot commodities when they come out.

Doug Flutie

GATORAZ

03-09-2013, 10:38 AM

I guess everybody is just totally forgetting about a man named Doug Flutie did he go to the NFL yeah I think you did was he small yeah I think it was never count out the small guys I think about that

I am confused how is talking about Doug Flutie helping the case for Johnny football leaving early to go to the NFL?