Another big game in the SEC today is Kentucky @ Arkansas 4:00 PM

[HALLGATOR]

Big implications for the SEC title. With a win Kentucky moves closer to challenging the Gators for a share of the league title. A loss and they would need a big upset by Vandy over Florida to hold out any hopes.

[BengermanV]

Will it be on TV? If so, I'll be watching.

[GatorSean]

Will it be on TV? If so, I'll be watching.

CBS.

pig sooie.

[GatorRade]

Looks like Tennessee is going to fall at Georgia. Crazy season.

[MadduxFanII]

An Arkansas win clinches a share of the SEC for us, right?

[co_gator89]

An Arkansas win clinches a share of the SEC for us, right?

Yes.

Go piggies.

[BengermanV]

CBS.

pig sooie.

Awesome, thanks.

[TampaGatorFan]

Big implications for the SEC title. With a win Kentucky moves closer to challenging the Gators for a share of the league title. A loss and they would need a big upset by Vandy over Florida to hold out any hopes.

Well, SOOOIE, then!

[GatorPlanet]

Gawd, I want the pigs to win this game but I really hate what passes for basketball in the Nolan Richardson style, and I hate the way their fans lap it up. That dude just absolutely hammered Goodwin on the way to the hoop and the fans loved it. Now they're booing that he gets free throws.

[HALLGATOR]

Kentucky out to an early lead

[born2beagator]

Not looking like Arky is feeling in the helpful mood today early.

[born2beagator]

Arky takes the lead

[GatorPlanet]

Haydar is a role player. That role seems to be hold, grab, hack, foul, hold, slap. I don't see any skills beyond that.

[REM08]

Dont blame ark for defensive tactics. Its the refs allowing it. Polson didnt charge.

[lean_gator]

Kentucky has zero bench. We gotta press them on defense and play uptempo on offense.

[LabraGator]

Lot of wild shots going up

[GatorSean]

UK is already gassed... Arky should blow this open in the 2nd half...

[REM08]

UK is already gassed... Arky should blow this open in the 2nd half...

Ark allowed to reach and grab and no doubt youre right. They do this against UF? Missed that game.

[iam4uf]

Arkansas, a poor-shooting 3pt team, has hit 2-12...

[born2beagator]

Arkansas, a poor-shooting 3pt team, has hit 2-12...

They aren't playing Florida

[co_gator89]

32-29 piggies at the half.

[gator85jd]

UK is already gassed... Arky should blow this open in the 2nd half...

Calamari has already thrown in the towel on this year's UK team.

[BengermanV]

Ark allowed to reach and grab and no doubt youre right. They do this against UF? Missed that game.

Arkansas was incredibly physical when we played them at home, yes.

In case you haven't noticed, this is the drawback of playing on the road in the SEC this year.

EDIT: Worth pointing out that the amount of foul calls were fairly even. I'll say that charge call was pretty terrible though.

[GatorPlanet]

Ark allowed to reach and grab and no doubt youre right. They do this against UF? Missed that game.

They did, but that wasn't the reason we lost. We just didn't put in the effort until we were down by 23.

[REM08]

Arkansas was incredibly physical when we played them at home, yes.

In case you haven't noticed, this is the drawback of playing on the road in the SEC this year.

EDIT: Worth pointing out that the amount of foul calls were fairly even. I'll say that charge call was pretty terrible though.

Yeah, by the end of the half I was slightly more content with the calls. Don't think its decided anything.

Did any of you see the stat of Arkansas' home record vs their away record over the last 2 years? I can't imagine how that is possible.

I know I've been harping on the refs and know this sounds like I'm piling on, but Doug Shows is calling today's game. UK is 1 and 10 in close games (decided by 5 or less) with him as a ref. I'm not crying foul about today's game, just a little worried.

[born2beagator]

9 point piggy lead :)

[MadduxFanII]

Thinking about it, the most surprising thing about us and Arkansas over the last couple years is that we went in there last year and absolutely blew the doors off the joint.

[HALLGATOR]

If the Piggies can do their part then we can clinch the SEC title on Wednesday.

[GothamGator]

Let's be clear. If Arkansas wins, we clinch a share of the SEC Championship. And, we can clinch sole possession of the title on Wednesday.

This game is as big as it gets.

[TampaGatorFan]

If the Piggies can do their part then we can clinch the SEC title on Wednesday.

Easier said than done. Kentucky will not go away. This game will go down to the wire.

[GothamGator]

If the Piggies win, I get to change my signature!!!!

[TampaGatorFan]

If the Piggies win, I get to change my signature!!!!

DON'T! Not until after we beat Vandy.

[warhorsegator]

A share of championship = championship, because you do not finish behind any team.:joecool:

[GatorSean]

DON'T! Not until after we beat Vandy.

Why not? An SEC championship is an SEC championship, shared or otherwise.

[REM08]

Arkansas has taken 20 more shots than UK. We have played soft. Cant match them athlete for athlete. Imagine that.

[co_gator89]

Pigs up 14

[born2beagator]

Arkansas has taken 20 more shots than UK. We have played soft. Cant match them athlete for athlete. Imagine that.

Beautiful isn't it?

[lean_gator]

Haydar is such a pesky twerp

[born2beagator]

Blow them out of the water.

[HALLGATOR]

Up 15 at the 8 minute mark

[co_gator89]

Kentucky getting manhandled now down 15.

[jcp]

I didn't want to get into this thread... I suffer enough watching our own games to have to suffer through others, hehehe.


Looks like it's good news though. :D

[born2beagator]

Loving the mess Cal has there. Can't wait to see what happens to team chemistry next season when the next band of mercenaries comes in and Cal benches this one.

[rounds]

Arky trying to run clock too soon.

[iam4uf]

Arkansas has gone passive, and obviously has suffered from it.

[xenythx]

We get an opportunity to be the team to burst Kentucky's bubble.

[co_gator89]

Poythress fouls out.

[born2beagator]

We get an opportunity to be the team to burst Kentucky's bubble.

Why? If they lose tonight and we win at vandy, Rupp is just a resume builder

[Noahtogo24]

Loving the mess Cal has there. Can't wait to see what happens to team chemistry next season when the next band of mercenaries comes in and Cal benches this one.

Kentucky's recruiting class is going to be much better next season including the Harrison brothers. I just hope they don't get Randle and Wiggins. If they do, odds are about 7 out of their top 9 next season are going to be freshmen.

[REM08]

He means keep us out of the tournament.

[HALLGATOR]

Poythress has a lot of potential but he shows why it is hard to rely on freshman at times.

[born2beagator]

Kentucky's recruiting class is going to be much better next season including the Harrison brothers. I just hope they don't get Randle and Wiggins. If they do, odds are about 7 out of their top 9 next season are going to be freshmen.

What happens to this group? They going to bench them for the new players? Don't think these scrubs are one and dones.

[Noahtogo24]

What happens to this group? They going to bench them for the new players? Don't think these scrubs are one and dones.


Noel is projected top 5, WCS is projected top 15. If Goodwin and Poythress also leaves, that's it.

[born2beagator]

Noel is projected top 5, WCS is projected top 15. If Goodwin and Poythress also leaves, that's it.

Wow. None of these kids except Noel are ready for the NBA.

[REM08]

What happens to this group? They going to bench them for the new players? Don't think these scrubs are one and dones.

NBA draft often has more to do with potential than college effectiveness or contribution. UK has 3 projected first rounders (not including Noel) on this team and each of the 3 would be drafted on potential, not on what they showed in college. In past years, UK freshmen played beyond their years in college and were able to be drafted on more than just their potential. Other than Noel, not this year.

[HALLGATOR]

Seems to me the key would be how much they could possible improve their draft stock if they stayed another year. With Noel I don't see that as much since he is already slated to go really high.

[Noahtogo24]

Wow. None of these kids except Noel are ready for the NBA.


Oh I definitely agree. Also some people think Harrow may also leave after this season since he going to be losing his spot in the starting lineup. But who knows....

[dailydoublecat]

We are what we are and nothing more. The outcome and how we played on the road should shock no one. I will be a real happy person when this season is over.

Congrats on your SEC championship--you deserve it and Im very happy for my NBN posters.

Jeff

[MadduxFanII]

Lord, Calipari is going to make this last two minutes last an hour and a half.

Which is the right thing to do. But it's still annoying.

[born2beagator]

We are what we are and nothing more. The outcome and how we played on the road should shock no one. I will be a real happy person when this season is over.

Congrats on your SEC championship--you deserve it and Im very happy for my NBN posters.

Jeff

Yup the entire program. nothing more than a revolving door NBA minor league. Represents what I dislike about college ball

[REM08]

What makes their decision tougher is how weak the draft is this year compared to next. In the end, I think what should matter more than draft stock is how set up they are for their second contract. Easy for me to say though as there isn't that money on the line or risk of injury.

[dailydoublecat]

Loving the mess Cal has there. Can't wait to see what happens to team chemistry next season when the next band of mercenaries comes in and Cal benches this one.

Why would you consider it a mess? This team just didnt work out. Most of these players will be gone in fact I think we lose 7 or 8---so we will just start over. I think its going to be addition by subtraction.

Jeff

[HALLGATOR]

Wondered where you have been Jeff.

[HALLGATOR]

If, by chance, most of these guys come back then Kentucky should be very good next year with who they have coming in.

[dailydoublecat]

Wondered where you have been Jeff.

Hall buddy Im here dont you worry---just a frustrating year, but overall I am very happy and looking at the future makes me excited.

Jeff

[flwgator2]

Now we have unfinished business to take care of on Wednesday.

[born2beagator]

Why would you consider it a mess? This team just didnt work out. Most of these players will be gone in fact I think we lose 7 or 8---so we will just start over. I think its going to be addition by subtraction.

Jeff

Because it represents the danger of Cal's recruiting philosophy. He got the wrong band of NBA minor leaguers this year. But yeah, guess you are right. All he has to do is push the chaff that didn't work out this year to the NBA before they are ready and start over.

[HALLGATOR]

Arkie wins and the Gator's path to an outright championship just got easier

[born2beagator]

Hall buddy Im here dont you worry---just a frustrating year, but overall I am very happy and looking at the future makes me excited.

Jeff

Yup, its kind of like free agency.

[HALLGATOR]

Hall buddy Im here dont you worry---just a frustrating year, but overall I am very happy and looking at the future makes me excited.

Jeff

I knew you were sick and was hoping it hadn't gotten worse. I was sick with some of that junk for a whole month.

[co_gator89]

Thanks piggies! Let's finish the job Wednesday.

[dailydoublecat]

If, by chance, most of these guys come back then Kentucky should be very good next year with who they have coming in.

From people that I trust we are going to lose Noel, Poythress, Cauley-Stein, Goodwin, Wiltjer, Harrow, Mays, Polson or Hood. Of course all of these are not to the NBA. I look for UK to add two more to this class IMHO. I think we have one hell of a chance to get Wiggins and Randle, I really do--of course that helps little this year--and of course they may not play well together.

Jeff

[born2beagator]

From people that I trust we are going to lose Noel, Poythress, Cauley-Stein, Goodwin, Wiltjer, Harrow, Mays, Polson or Hood. Of course all of these are not to the NBA. I look for UK to add two more to this class IMHO. I think we have one hell of a chance to get Wiggins and Randle, I really do--of course that helps little this year--and of course they may not play well together.

Jeff

and its going to be hilarious if the next group has the same issues as this one.

[HALLGATOR]

From people that I trust we are going to lose Noel, Poythress, Cauley-Stein, Goodwin, Wiltjer, Harrow, Mays, Polson or Hood. Of course all of these are not to the NBA. I look for UK to add two more to this class IMHO. I think we have one hell of a chance to get Wiggins and Randle, I really do--of course that helps little this year--and of course they may not play well together.

Jeff

That would be one heck of a turnover.

[born2beagator]

That would be one heck of a turnover.

I'm glad its not something we have to deal with.

[dailydoublecat]

and its going to be hilarious if the next group has the same issues as this one.

I think you know me well enough---trust me they won't have the same difficulty because we will have an elite point guard with shooters--which always helps.

Jeff

[gatordavisl]

Why would you consider it a mess? This team just didnt work out. Most of these players will be gone in fact I think we lose 7 or 8---so we will just start over. I think its going to be addition by subtraction.Because uni-brow (sorry, I don't remember his name) et al. set the bar so high last year. UK is in danger of not making the tourney and by UK standards, that is a white hot mess. You made the point yourself by mentioning "addition by subtraction."

[born2beagator]

I think you know me well enough---trust me they won't have the same difficulty because we will have an elite point guard with shooters--which always helps.

Jeff

They are freshmen. You can never be sure.

[born2beagator]

Because uni-brow (sorry, I don't remember his name) et al. set the bar so high last year. UK is in danger of not making the tourney and by UK standards, that is a white hot mess. You made the point yourself by mentioning "addition by subtraction."

and classes with players like him don't grow on trees.

[dailydoublecat]

Because uni-brow (sorry, I don't remember his name) et al. set the bar so high last year. UK is in danger of not making the tourney and by UK standards, that is a white hot mess. You made the point yourself by mentioning "addition by subtraction."

We dont deserve to make the tournament---Im not even sure it is debatable honestly. It didnt work out this year--you regroup and try again next year.

Jeff

[born2beagator]

We dont deserve to make the tournament---Im not even sure it is debatable honestly. It didnt work out this year--you push all the players to the NBA no matter how ready they are try again next year with a new batch of one and dones.

Jeff

FIFY

[dailydoublecat]

and classes with players like him don't grow on trees.

The 2013 class is absolutely loaded with talent. The great thing is, we will all find out next year. I'm a very patient person, and I think that comes with age.

Jeff

[gatordavisl]

and classes with players like him don't grow on trees.True, but when your program relies strictly on classes, it runs the risk of creating this kind of mess.

Edit: thought I was replying to Jeff. My bad

[dailydoublecat]

FIFY

See this is where you and I disagree. If you are a guaranteed top 15 pick--YOU GO! There are too many things that can happen and if it were my son they would have to go. They could always take their college courses for a degree at a later time, or go during summer school.

They are not pushed out, but again if you are a top 15 pick you need to go IMHO.

Jeff

[dailydoublecat]

True, but when your program relies strictly on classes, it runs the risk of creating this kind of mess.

That is 100% correct and we missed on a few targets as well that could have helped us. Oh well its just a game, its not life or death.

Jeff

[born2beagator]

Maturity wise, these guys are not ready, and I think you know that Jeff. You just want them gone so the next batch of mercs can get in here.

[warhorsegator]

Kentucky has always been a farce academically; now it has made a farce of college basketball by hiring a guy who brings nothing but corruption to the college game. The championships can hardly be worth the farce that poses as a college team.

[REM08]

True, but when your program relies strictly on classes, it runs the risk of creating this kind of mess.

Edit: thought I was replying to Jeff. My bad

I agree with this also. It also runs the risk of years like last year. I'll take the good with the bad.

[dailydoublecat]

Maturity wise, these guys are not ready, and I think you know that Jeff. You just want them gone so the next batch of mercs can get in here.

Born--the only two personally I want gone are Goodwin (selfish--not a team player and Noel---he NEEDS to go) I would be thrilled if Poythress and Cauley Stein stayed, but it wouldnt be fair to them if they did--if they are as high on the draft board as I think they are.

Jeff

[born2beagator]

I agree with this also. It also runs the risk of years like last year. I'll take the good with the bad.

We'll just have to see if that bad includes what has happened at every other one of his jobs.....