The final insult for Tim, as if it hadn't already happened.

[Spurffelbow833]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/brady-quinn-could-join-the-jets/

The Jets plan to take 5 QB's into training camp, none of them named Tim Tebow and one of them named Quinn. Yet they still haven't traded or released him. Why does he put up with this crap?

[ACCecil]

I think Tim should have gone to the Jags a few years ago even if it was less money and less publicity compared to NY. Publicity? Really? I hope that didn't figure in to why he went to NY.

I know the new Jags GM said they don't have plans for Tim but I believe the owner would welcoem him and if I was Tim, or Tim's agent, I'd lobby the Jags hard 24/7 for basically a no guarantee contract just as long as he got a fair shot.

If he can't hook on with the Jags, who apparently don't want him, his option are ..............................?

Not sure.

[GATORAZ]

Spurffelbow833 you cant trade people yet league year doesn't start until March 12.

[gator996]

Personally, I would like to see him win the NYJ job...

[tegator80]

Worse case scenario: The Jets keep 4-5 QBs all the way through the preseason and he's out in the final cuts. He won't have a team to practice with and will have to fight to be on somewhere as a practice player. Would the Jets deliberately hold onto that many with deliberate intentions of making sure they don't look like doofus's in mismanaging him?

Seeing last year I have to believe yes. The NFL is a cutthroat business and the New York market is the worse.

[Minister_of_Information]

Worse case scenario: The Jets keep 4-5 QBs all the way through the preseason and he's out in the final cuts. He won't have a team to practice with and will have to fight to be on somewhere as a practice player. Would the Jets deliberately hold onto that many with deliberate intentions of making sure they don't look like doofus's in mismanaging him?

Seeing last year I have to believe yes. The NFL is a cutthroat business and the New York market is the worse.

Sounds like they're trying to kill his career to cover their ass. If he isn't worth anything as a QB why not just let him go?

[gatorman_07732]

Personally, I would like to see him win the NYJ job...

996, you don't think he would even be given the chance do you? I mean I was real excited when he got here but he was not treated well at all.

[GatorLaw]

I don't think he has a choice at this point. He's presumably still under contract with the Jets and they'll have to fail to renew his contract when it terminates or release him or trade him in order for him to leave. I can't imagine they won't at least try to trade him once trades are allowed and if they can't trade him surely they'll release him. Why would they keep a guy with his cap hit on the team when Rex Ryan clearly isn't going to use him?

[TheRaid]

Sux.

[fubar1]

I think Tim should have gone to the Jags a few years ago even if it was less money and less publicity compared to NY. Publicity? Really? I hope that didn't figure in to why he went to NY.

I know the new Jags GM said they don't have plans for Tim but I believe the owner would welcoem him and if I was Tim, or Tim's agent, I'd lobby the Jags hard 24/7 for basically a no guarantee contract just as long as he got a fair shot.

If he can't hook on with the Jags, who apparently don't want him, his option are ..............................?

Not sure.

The NFL just needs to fold up the shop on the Jags and let the rest of the teams pick over the players. The franchise is dead, the owner and GM are dolts and the city doesn't adequately support the team.

Time to do what already should have been done.

[gatorman_07732]

I think Tim should have gone to the Jags a few years ago even if it was less money and less publicity compared to NY. Publicity? Really? I hope that didn't figure in to why he went to NY.

I know the new Jags GM said they don't have plans for Tim but I believe the owner would welcoem him and if I was Tim, or Tim's agent, I'd lobby the Jags hard 24/7 for basically a no guarantee contract just as long as he got a fair shot.

If he can't hook on with the Jags, who apparently don't want him, his option are ..............................?

Not sure.

That was not an option

[channingcrowderhungry]

Shocking that another Tebow thread instantly turned into a Jags bashing thread. Don't worry about the 31 other teams that don't want Tebow, carry on like clockwork.

[ArtVandelay]

The Jets will do whatever is best for them with no regard to Tebow. I think deep down, they know he has a chance to do well elsewhere, so that is why they haven't cut him.

[Jaggator]

Shocking that another Tebow thread instantly turned into a Jags bashing thread. Don't worry about the 31 other teams that don't want Tebow, carry on like clockwork.

+ 1

Amen to that!

I can't believe some of the ignorant posters that don't have a clue what is going on in Jacksonville. Some of them don't even know that there's a new GM and new owner.

The mods had to close at least one other thread because it was both a city of Jacksonville & NFL Jacksonville Jaguars bashing thread all in one.

[manigordo]

Tim Tebow is not the first elite college QB who was not a pro QB. Just because Florida fans love him does not mean that he can make it as a pro. get over it. Somehow, if it comes to that, I think Tim will.

There is no insult here.

[Distant Gator]

I think Tim should have gone to the Jags a few years ago even if it was less money and less publicity compared to NY. Publicity? Really? I hope that didn't figure in to why he went to NY.

I know the new Jags GM said they don't have plans for Tim but I believe the owner would welcoem him and if I was Tim, or Tim's agent, I'd lobby the Jags hard 24/7 for basically a no guarantee contract just as long as he got a fair shot.

If he can't hook on with the Jags, who apparently don't want him, his option are ..............................?

Not sure.

Cecil you are a great poster but you are assuming things that are not factual in regards to Tebow and Jax. As far as I know, no one knows whether Tebow had a choice regarding Jax vs NY. The stories contradict. I've heard different things.

And if he did have a choice- it's clear that NY had a sales pitch "Come be our Wildcat QB" while Jax's was "Our coaches don't want you but the owner might because he could sell a few tickets." Which would you have taken?

(Not at Cecil.) As far as Tebow not being an NFL QB- that's another assumption that is not a fact. Didn't Tebow throw for 316 yards vs the #1 rated defense? Didn't he score 30 pts against that same D and win a playoff game? And didn't he take a team that was 1-4 and go 8-5- with 2 of those losses being to Super Bowl bound New England? Taking a last place team to the 2nd round of the playoffs SOUNDS like an NFL QB to me.

But I guess if Merrill Hoge says he isn't an NFL QB then he's not.

[tegator80]

Tim Tebow is not the first elite college QB who was not a pro QB. Just because Florida fans love him does not mean that he can make it as a pro. get over it. Somehow, if it comes to that, I think Tim will.

There is no insult here.

First, Tim is 10x more of a leader than Vince Young and the teammates who have played with him in the NFL can attest to that. If Tim gets the Young treatment then that is all anyone can expect. But right now there seems to be a series of unfortunate events that is short circuiting his audition, even with the dramatics of 2011. If Tim falls short (see Weurffel, Danny; Spurrier, Stephen) then so be it. No one is saying he is destined for NFL greatness but we are frustrated with the goings-on in the business of the NFL.

[atlantagator86]

Shocking that another Tebow thread instantly turned into a Jags bashing thread. Don't worry about the 31 other teams that don't want Tebow, carry on like clockwork.

I agree. I think people are incredibly quick to assume there is a league-wide conspiracy against Tebow.

First of all, the Jet's pretty much own Tebow right now. He doesn't decide his options, they do.

The one thing I don't understand is why the Jets aren't trying to increase Tebow's trade value. If I were them, I'd be saying he's coming into camp and competing for the job. Sounds like they will probably just release him.

[Bradass]

Spurffelbow833 you cant trade people yet league year doesn't start until March 12.

So the Alex Smith trade was just my imagination?

[atlantagator86]

So the Alex Smith trade was just my imagination?

The deal has been made but the actual trade can't be made yet.

[GATORAZ]

So the Alex Smith trade was just my imagination?

is this a serious question?

[Tebowism0823]

Cecil you are a great poster but you are assuming things that are not factual in regards to Tebow and Jax. As far as I know, no one knows whether Tebow had a choice regarding Jax vs NY. The stories contradict. I've heard different things.

And if he did have a choice- it's clear that NY had a sales pitch "Come be our Wildcat QB" while Jax's was "Our coaches don't want you but the owner might because he could sell a few tickets." Which would you have taken?

(Not at Cecil.) As far as Tebow not being an NFL QB- that's another assumption that is not a fact. Didn't Tebow throw for 316 yards vs the #1 rated defense? Didn't he score 30 pts against that same D and win a playoff game? And didn't he take a team that was 1-4 and go 8-5- with 2 of those losses being to Super Bowl bound New England? Taking a last place team to the 2nd round of the playoffs SOUNDS like an NFL QB to me.

But I guess if Merrill Hoge says he isn't an NFL QB then he's not.

+1

[elrongator]

Make that +2

Tebow is a winner. It's not his fault he had to deal with a jealous horse faced GM who wanted to remain Denver's one and only favored son.
Equally not his fault he was traded with little to no apparent input to the stinking pit known as the New York Jet.
Rex Ryan is a blow hard fetish loving weirdo with little proof to support that he has even a decent football coaching acumen.

[Spleezy]

First, Tim is 10x more of a leader than Vince Young and the teammates who have played with him in the NFL can attest to that. If Tim gets the Young treatment then that is all anyone can expect. But right now there seems to be a series of unfortunate events that is short circuiting his audition, even with the dramatics of 2011. If Tim falls short (see Weurffel, Danny; Spurrier, Stephen) then so be it. No one is saying he is destined for NFL greatness but we are frustrated with the goings-on in the business of the NFL.

I don't think many fans would be happy with Tim getting the 'Vince Young Treatment' do you know what happened to him during his career? Outside of his rookie year and 2007 the guy hardly played (started). Lots of injuries and personal issues but was replaced by Kerry Collins.....could you imagine if Tim Tebow got injured and was replaced by Kerry Collins?! This site would burn down. Not to mention Jeff Fisher never really wanted Young.

[haddon]

Tim Tebow is not the first elite college QB who was not a pro QB. Just because Florida fans love him does not mean that he can make it as a pro. get over it. Somehow, if it comes to that, I think Tim will.

There is no insult here.

i'd be completely fine with this if it was crystal clear that he "was not a pro QB". the only thing stopping me from believing this is that the last time he played as a pro QB, he lead a losing team to the playoffs. did he look unorthodox and, at times, flat out ugly doing it? yes. but you are what your record says you are, so i can't just unquestioningly accept the "he can't play QB in the nfl" line. he's already shown that it's at least plausible.

[manigordo]

i'd be completely fine with this if it was crystal clear that he "was not a pro QB". the only thing stopping me from believing this is that the last time he played as a pro QB, he lead a losing team to the playoffs. did he look unorthodox and, at times, flat out ugly doing it? yes. but you are what your record says you are, so i can't just unquestioningly accept the "he can't play QB in the nfl" line. he's already shown that it's at least plausible.

It isn't crystal clear to me either. What I know is that just because Gator fans cite him as the reason for the Denver wins doesn't make it true. As you suggest, he doesn't really look like a pro QB and there are plenty of good football people of who believe he does not have the right skill set for a pro QB.

My opinion is more about Gator fans, because we love Tim, believing that he is being "dissed" and "insulted" by know nothing NFL execs and coaches who are out to hurt him.

There are a lot of teams out there and none seem to be falling over themselves to put Tim at the helm; a conspiracy and an outrage to many Gator fans.

Occam's Razor applies.

[tegator80]

I don't think many fans would be happy with Tim getting the 'Vince Young Treatment' do you know what happened to him during his career? Outside of his rookie year and 2007 the guy hardly played (started). Lots of injuries and personal issues but was replaced by Kerry Collins.....could you imagine if Tim Tebow got injured and was replaced by Kerry Collins?! This site would burn down. Not to mention Jeff Fisher never really wanted Young.

What I said is that is all to expect. Anything more accommodating than that is looking through O&B glasses. I think that Vince got a chance to show whether he is starting caliber and even was signed to be a backup just in case Plan A didn't work (see Philly) so if that is what Tim gets and he is still put on the sidelines or out of the league then that is that. I do not send angry emails to NFL teams admonishing their lack of support for "my guy." It is a cold-hearted business that must be held to a high standard of accountability (too much money to be made or lost).

And it is plausible that the Jets will attempt to minimize the perception that they are incompetent by releasing him only after the final cuts. I just hope that the people who are no longer associated with the Jets are talked to, if any team is interested in Tim, either now or when he finally gets cut.

[tilly]

They haven't cut him, because he probably holds some small trade value. You cant make trades right now in the NFL. Once you can, my guess is someone will offer a low pick for him.

[demosthenes]

They haven't cut him, because he probably holds some small trade value. You cant make trades right now in the NFL. Once you can, my guess is someone will offer a low pick for him.

A team already went out and acquired Alex Smith (tentatively). What does that say about the league's perception of Tebow when a team gives up that much for a player like Smith and nothing so much as rumor of interest in Tebow?

[IH8REFS]

The fact is that the only coaches that have the balls to run an offense in which Tebow might be productive (Harbaugh and Shanahan) already have QBs. Perhaps Reid is looking to do something similar, but he chose Smith over Tebow. There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. This is a very limited market, and it's even more limited when you are not a traditional QB.

[geauxgator1]

The Jets have really trashed him by treating him the way they have. What a fiasco in NY, really a bunch of clowns, from the owner, GM, head coach an OC, trying to run an NFL franchise. Tim got stabbed,and looks like he will suffer professionally from here on out. I don't see another franchise giving him a chance. It burns me up to see what Denver and the NY did to the guy. I hate to say it, but he may have to go the CFL for a few years like Flutie and Warren Moon did. I guess I will start following Canadian Football.

[JohnC1908]

Shocking that another Tebow thread instantly turned into a Jags bashing thread. Don't worry about the 31 other teams that don't want Tebow, carry on like clockwork.

Every time.

[CAGator93]

Hope he gets out of there. The Jets are a disaster.

[haddon]

It isn't crystal clear to me either. What I know is that just because Gator fans cite him as the reason for the Denver wins doesn't make it true. As you suggest, he doesn't really look like a pro QB and there are plenty of good football people of who believe he does not have the right skill set for a pro QB.

My opinion is more about Gator fans, because we love Tim, believing that he is being "dissed" and "insulted" by know nothing NFL execs and coaches who are out to hurt him.

There are a lot of teams out there and none seem to be falling over themselves to put Tim at the helm; a conspiracy and an outrage to many Gator fans.

Occam's Razor applies.

i agree all around. hope some team gives him another shot.

[SkyChimp]

The NFL just needs to fold up the shop on the Jags and let the rest of the teams pick over the players. The franchise is dead, the owner and GM are dolts and the city doesn't adequately support the team.

Time to do what already should have been done.

Couldn't disagree more with you. The same statement has been said in the past about the Chiefs, Chargers, Saints, and Panthers. They are still here and their city & states support them.

[mikehev]

2 myths I have seen on this post so far...

1. "Tim Tebow cannot become a successful pro QB": evidence suggests the opposite, he was given a shot with a last place team, lead them to reverse momentum, and then win a playoff game against what was then the number 1 defense in the NFL. If he was given an adequate shot since that time and failed, this may be an argument to consider. The fact is, he has not been given any shot, thus speculation by a group of so-called "experts" who were wrong about him the first time somehow rules in this case? illogical.

2. "Jacksonville does not support its team": This is another farse. .500 teams in the NFL would have been happy to have had the fan support % per capita that Jacksonville, the 2nd worst team in the NFL this year, gave the Jags.


In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

[luciaboy]

tim needs to head to the cfl for a chance to play qb

[your_perfect_enemy]

and now comes word the jets worked out david garrad who wasnt any good when healthy in addition to quinn who Tebow already beat out once. good thing they hired a new gm to make even worse decisions.

[G8RNTN]

So the Alex Smith trade was just my imagination?

Will be official on march 12th.

[ETGator1]

Do we have to continue to keep up with the Jets moves? It's trade or release for Tim Tebow. There isn't anything involving the Jets that I'd care to know about other than the trade or release of Tim Tebow. The Jets aren't worth the time or the animosity. I'm sure Tim wouldn't want us dwelling on his Jets situation. Whatever happens, it's a win for Tim getting out of New York.

[pnotine]

Maybe Tim wil be included in a deal that sends Revis to SF for a bunch of Draft picks.
Tim would be a great back up in SF

[gator34654]

Can't wait for TT to get out of NY, hated the jets before and even more so now. It will be great once again to cheer agains them.

If NFL doesn't work out for TT so be it. Like DW, TT will make a significant difference in impacting people for good and that has eternal significance. TT is a great great role model for consistency and no comprimise of character. We all are learning from him.

[elrongator]

I agree that "football gurus" are a dime a dozen, wrong more often than right, love to take credit for players they didn't predict would succeed once they do, and generally perform at a barely above brain dead/head stuck firmly up ass level most of the time.
These are the same breed of jackholes who used to jeer and say the forward pass wouldn't work. The same idiots now saying spread offenses can't work in the NFL after Cam Newton and RGIII win consecutive rookie of the year awards running essentially spread formation stuff, and continue their stubborn commitment to ignorance despite Colin Kaepernick nearly winning a Super Bowl as a run/throw QB rookie.
So relying on these geniuses to support an argument that Tebow can't make it at Qb in the NFL is like relying on Baskin Robbins to determine your ideal weight.
Tebow's record his entire football career at any level provides solid evidence that he can win as a QB and there is literally no actual evidence from his career to support the opposite.

As for the ridiculous statement that someone made that giving Tim credit for Denver's shocking 180 degree turn around once he was named their starter is unsupported by fact...I literally have to laugh in your face!!! Seriously, what other changes can anybody give to support anything other than the entrance of Tebow to account for that team's remarkable change in fortune???!!?? Did they add any new coaches or players? Did key players suddenly come off injury reports to active duty?? Answer...NO. The only difference was that once Tebow was added to the mix that sad sack piss poor team was infused with Winner Juice compliments of Tebow. Period. End of story.
You can argue with your heads in the sand all day long about Tebow being a distraction, the unwanted media circus that surrounds him, the requirement that a team might have to change personnel and/or play design to help him help a team win, but don't come around with BS garbage about any proof that Tebow can't be an NFL Qb because that evidence doesn't exist and he hasn't been given the opportunity to create that evidence since being sent to the Jets.

Tebow is a winner. Period. End of story. He can win anywhere and has.
That's all the evidence that exists.

As an added note, I agree that Jaguar apologists who claim that team lacks support from the surrounding community are smoking crack. Just because fans choose to bitch that the team sucks (news flash...it does), does not make them unsupportive.
Also their new GM should spend more time figuring out how to put a winning team together and less time committing to never wanting Tebow. He'd look like less of an ass hat to Tebow fans, and accomplish alot more.

[gatorr4life]

^^^ great post

[GATORAZ]

Tim is probably going to get cut since I doubt someone will trade for him but I dont know why people think that is the best thing for him

[elrongator]

I think what most people believe is that his situation can't do anything but improve after he is removed from the dumpster fire coached by a fetish loving weirdo with not much to back his NFL acumen.
Not sure if its great for Tebow, but only a fresh start will help him at this point. A fresh start and a coach and management willing to support him long enough for him to mesh and develop with team mates.

[adgator]

Wouldn't mind seeing him take his talents to the Tampa Bay Bucs. They have a great recieving corps and I believe TT would get a lot of respect in Tampa and give him a chance to show his real skills and leadership. His worst decision was going to the Jets for many reasons including many of their lack of fan support.

[GATORAZ]

I think what most people believe is that his situation can't do anything but improve after he is removed from the dumpster fire coached by a fetish loving weirdo with not much to back his NFL acumen.
Not sure if its great for Tebow, but only a fresh start will help him at this point. A fresh start and a coach and management willing to support him long enough for him to mesh and develop with team mates.

But do you really think their is a team out there with a head coach and management that believe in Tebow?

People on here are so mad about the situation they want Tebow to get fired and lose income. Which just proves people dont think logical when it comes to Tim.

[gatorboy]

The jags never wanted him.

[ACCecil]

I believe the Jets acquired Tebow to steal publicity from the Giant who were coming off another thrilling SB victory over the Pats. I do not believe he got a "fair shot" to play as evidenced by starting McElroy over Tebow at the end of the year when Sanchez was hurt and even before that not letting Tebow start when Sanchez sucked al year.

The Jets apparently don't believe in Karma.

You don't screw with people like that and not have it come back against you. This will be a Chicago Cubs Goat type curse for the next 200 years on the Jets.

What I don't understand, though, is people saying there is no evidence that Tebow can't play in the NFL. I think there is some evidence but I won't bother trying to convince anyone because some of you have made up your minds and there isn't any way any light is getting in there anytime soon so far be it from me to worry about it one way or the other. Believe what you want. The untruth will not set you free.

I also fail to get why no one is working Tebow out or why Tebow isn't working out for someone since he might be a FA in about two weeks. I do not watch much NFL football, it bores hell out of me, but a year ago when Tebow was leading the Broncos that was the best story in sports at the time. I want him to get his shot. I do NOT, repeat, do NOT want Tebow to go somewhere, like San Fran, and be a backup. What is the point in that? No. I want to Tebow to have a shot to win the job somewhere.

That is why I posted earlier on this thread and said if I was Tebow or Tebow's agent I'd be lobbying the Jags hard. The Jags, the Bucs or the Miami Fishsticks would all work perfectly for Tebow. Canada is an option worth looking at but only if every NFL team passes on him first. He is a great human being. He will be fine after football so no worries there although life ain't free so it would be nice if he can make some coin before he gets out of the NFL rat race.

One other thing I don't get ......

The notion that Tebow will improve an NFL locker room by setting a good example and by working hard. I don't get that. In fact, I think it is a little insulting to other NFL players to hear that. ALL NFL players work hard. Repeat ALL of them work hard except a few knuckleheads but 98% have personal trainers and train 360 days a year. None of them really need any rah-rah crap either. It isn't college. They are paid professional gladiators and I think one reason why Tebow may be having trouble is that some of his teammates resent some of the rah-rah stuff that may happen with Tebow that they simply do not need or value.

[gator1986]

Personally, I would like to see him win the NYJ job...

Id hate to see him win the jets job, I hate the jets

[GATORAZ]

ACCecil Tebow you cant work out a guy that is on another team


This "fair shot" stuff needs to stop he is in the NFL. Nobody was saying "fair shot" for Quinn when Tebow jumped him in Denver.

The Florida teams dont want Tebow and agent is not going to act like that for one client it makes him look bad

You last point is dead on its the NFL

[Gatuar]

Tim made all the right choices with his football career ....then when it was on a silver platter for hi to return home he chose the Jets

I assume he just got bad advice

[GatorLaw]

The fact is that the only coaches that have the balls to run an offense in which Tebow might be productive (Harbaugh and Shanahan) already have QBs. Perhaps Reid is looking to do something similar, but he chose Smith over Tebow. There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. This is a very limited market, and it's even more limited when you are not a traditional QB.

Agreed. But there are also 2 other QBs on most of those 32 teams. It's hard to believe that no team will sign Tim as even a 3rd string QB. He has to be better than some of those guys. Just as one example, Minnesota had to play their backup QB near the end of the season and that guy put on an absolutely horrendous performance. I can't even imagine what Minnesota's third string QB must look like if that guy (can't remember his name, he was eminently forgettable) was the backup.

[GATORAZ]

Agreed. But there are also 2 other QBs on most of those 32 teams. It's hard to believe that no team will sign Tim as even a 3rd string QB. He has to be better than some of those guys. Just as one example, Minnesota had to play their backup QB near the end of the season and that guy put on an absolutely horrendous performance. I can't even imagine what Minnesota's third string QB must look like if that guy (can't remember his name, he was eminently forgettable) was the backup.

While Tim is probably better than Joe Webb if you were the Gm of Minnesota would you really bring in Tim as the back up knowing how much media attention he gets? It is much easier on your franchise to sign Matt Cassell or Rex Grossman

[atlantagator86]

One other thing I don't get ......

The notion that Tebow will improve an NFL locker room by setting a good example and by working hard. I don't get that. In fact, I think it is a little insulting to other NFL players to hear that. ALL NFL players work hard. Repeat ALL of them work hard except a few knuckleheads but 98% have personal trainers and train 360 days a year. None of them really need any rah-rah crap either. It isn't college. They are paid professional gladiators and I think one reason why Tebow may be having trouble is that some of his teammates resent some of the rah-rah stuff that may happen with Tebow that they simply do not need or value.

I have a different opinion of this. First of all, I think many NFL players are lazier than you, but I completely agree that Tebow's presence in the locker room probably isn't going to make other players train harder. I think in the locker room, Tebow becomes more of a distraction. There are quite a few players that just don't like him and never will. I think his presence was a distraction in the locker room in both Denver and Ney York.

But I do think there are times in a game when players may alter their effort based on another player. They may try to hold blocks longer for a QB who buys time or continue their routes where they would stop with another QB. And I think there are times when seeing a guy give extra effort on the field will inspire a player to try a little harder. I think that's a big part of what we saw from Tebow at UF and we saw at times in Denver, but he was never given an opportunity to do in NY.

To your previous point, Tebow can't work out for anybody as he's currently "property" of the Jets.

[gatordowneast]

The NFL just needs to fold up the shop on the Jags and let the rest of the teams pick over the players. The franchise is dead, the owner and GM are dolts and the city doesn't adequately support the team.

Time to do what already should have been done.

Uhh..I am not particularly a Jags fan though we did have club seats the first 5 years, but do you realize the Jags were 22nd of 32 in attendance? Even in their worst years, they were never at the bottom in attendance, though why, I do not know?

Plenty of franchises (Buffalo, Oakland, Tampa, Miami,are in far worse shape (fan base) and Jag's new owner is probably in the top 2-3 owners in net worth. They also have a new GM and they have cleaned house bringing in bright, sharp, tech savy back office types replacing the holdovers who were clearly over matched, beaten down and burned out.

Jags suffered when they cut ties with Coughlin, brought in Shack Harris as GM and replaced him with someone worse...Gene Smith. Weak leaders attract other weak people and that is essentially what happened. New Owner is bringing in a new regime so we shall see.

[geauxgator1]

I agree that "football gurus" are a dime a dozen, wrong more often than right, love to take credit for players they didn't predict would succeed once they do, and generally perform at a barely above brain dead/head stuck firmly up ass level most of the time.
These are the same breed of jackholes who used to jeer and say the forward pass wouldn't work. The same idiots now saying spread offenses can't work in the NFL after Cam Newton and RGIII win consecutive rookie of the year awards running essentially spread formation stuff, and continue their stubborn commitment to ignorance despite Colin Kaepernick nearly winning a Super Bowl as a run/throw QB rookie.
So relying on these geniuses to support an argument that Tebow can't make it at Qb in the NFL is like relying on Baskin Robbins to determine your ideal weight.
Tebow's record his entire football career at any level provides solid evidence that he can win as a QB and there is literally no actual evidence from his career to support the opposite.

As for the ridiculous statement that someone made that giving Tim credit for Denver's shocking 180 degree turn around once he was named their starter is unsupported by fact...I literally have to laugh in your face!!! Seriously, what other changes can anybody give to support anything other than the entrance of Tebow to account for that team's remarkable change in fortune???!!?? Did they add any new coaches or players? Did key players suddenly come off injury reports to active duty?? Answer...NO. The only difference was that once Tebow was added to the mix that sad sack piss poor team was infused with Winner Juice compliments of Tebow. Period. End of story.
You can argue with your heads in the sand all day long about Tebow being a distraction, the unwanted media circus that surrounds him, the requirement that a team might have to change personnel and/or play design to help him help a team win, but don't come around with BS garbage about any proof that Tebow can't be an NFL Qb because that evidence doesn't exist and he hasn't been given the opportunity to create that evidence since being sent to the Jets.

Tebow is a winner. Period. End of story. He can win anywhere and has.
That's all the evidence that exists.

As an added note, I agree that Jaguar apologists who claim that team lacks support from the surrounding community are smoking crack. Just because fans choose to bitch that the team sucks (news flash...it does), does not make them unsupportive.
Also their new GM should spend more time figuring out how to put a winning team together and less time committing to never wanting Tebow. He'd look like less of an ass hat to Tebow fans, and accomplish alot more.

Good post Elron. You hit it all the points. Put this thread to bed.

[Swampgenie]

Why all the talk?

When given the opportunity, Tim took a NFL team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Better put, he led an NFL team to victories and a playoff win. What I saw was a group of men believe in themselves. In the NFL, QB's are the most important commodity. Just ask The Baltimore Ravens. Joe Flacco led that team to the Super Bowl. I saw Tim do the same in Denver. His game isn't the traditional approach, but with the Pistol, why wouldn't a team wouldn't want a Big Strong QB running it. RGIII like Vick aren't physical enough to survive a full season. Also, in our current times of NFL players beating and raping women, killing team mates as drunks and never ending Drugs and PEDS and bountygate..etc...etc.. I could care a crap if some women beater is jealous that Tim Tebow is getting a lot of GOOD media attention. Owners and GM's are losing the battle. They need a Tim Tebow. Distraction...no way. Put him in, give him the key's and if he then fails...then you nay sayers can talk your crow, and I'll slap on the damn mustard, but until he's proven not to be a winning QB in the NFL, you guy's have no platform to state your crow.

Why do you think Ryan and the Jet's didn't play Tim?? They played a sic terrible 3rd string guy. He like Sanchez stunk it up. The organization couldn't chance Tim leading them to victory. They had all ready committed blasphemy. When trading day comes, Tim will get traded. He has value. Big value. We could all be surprised. maybe someone like The Raiders or The Titans. I'm just saying.

[geauxgator1]

Why all the talk?

When given the opportunity, Tim took a NFL team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Better put, he led an NFL team to victories and a playoff win. What I saw was a group of men believe in themselves. In the NFL, QB's are the most important commodity. Just ask The Baltimore Ravens. Joe Flacco led that team to the Super Bowl. I saw Tim do the same in Denver. His game isn't the traditional approach, but with the Pistol, why wouldn't a team wouldn't want a Big Strong QB running it. RGIII like Vick aren't physical enough to survive a full season. Also, in our current times of NFL players beating and raping women, killing team mates as drunks and never ending Drugs and PEDS and bountygate..etc...etc.. I could care a crap if some women beater is jealous that Tim Tebow is getting a lot of GOOD media attention. Owners and GM's are losing the battle. They need a Tim Tebow. Distraction...no way. Put him in, give him the key's and if he then fails...then you nay sayers can talk your crow, and I'll slap on the damn mustard, but until he's proven not to be a winning QB in the NFL, you guy's have no platform to state your crow.

Why do you think Ryan and the Jet's didn't play Tim?? They played a sic terrible 3rd string guy. He like Sanchez stunk it up. The organization couldn't chance Tim leading them to victory. They had all ready committed blasphemy. When trading day comes, Tim will get traded. He has value. Big value. We could all be surprised. maybe someone like The Raiders or The Titans. I'm just saying.

I like your optimism, but I just don't see the rest of the NFL GM's thinking like we think. Unfortunaltely I don't think he has much if any trade value. Maybe he gets a chance to make a team as a free agent, but I don't see anybody picking him up on a trade.

[GatorLaw]

While Tim is probably better than Joe Webb if you were the Gm of Minnesota would you really bring in Tim as the back up knowing how much media attention he gets? It is much easier on your franchise to sign Matt Cassell or Rex Grossman

I agree the circus that surrounds Tim is a problem. I've mentioned that myself in several other threads.

I'm not sure what I'd do as the Minnesota GM or any other GM. I'd have to balance the apparent fact that as a practical matter they have no backup to Ponder with the distractions Tim creates. Maybe sign him as the 3rd string QB and make it clear that he wasn't contending for a starting job, then use him occasionally in a wildcat type formation. That might tend to reduce the interest and publicity/distractions. Tim himself could help with that by not giving interviews as freely as he seems to. But there's no question that the potential distractions he creates is one reason why he's going to have a problem IMHO in getting picked up by another team when the Jets release him.