View Full Version : Lindsey Graham Gets Owned By Milwaukee Police Chief
gator996
02-28-2013, 06:49 AM
Graham gets rolled by the police chief...
"We make 2,000 gun cases a year, Senator.
That our priority...
We're not in a paper chase.
We're trying to prevent the wrong people buying guns.
That's why we do background checks.
If you think I'm going to do a paper chase then you think I'm going to misuse my rescources."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cxzANsFwI&feature=player_embedded
HudsonGator
02-28-2013, 07:02 AM
Graham is just worried about a primary challenge. He used to be considered a moderate, now he is running to the right in order to fend off any tea party type candidate.
g8orbill
02-28-2013, 07:03 AM
Graham is not a conservative- I hope the Tea Party brings forth a strong conservative to challenge this guy
gator996
02-28-2013, 07:11 AM
Its getting hard to keep track of who's still in the party the speed with which they get thrown out...
"And another republican bites the dust..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
jmoliver
02-28-2013, 07:51 AM
I dont think anyone got "owned". Both screamed at each other and neither got a point across. I am 100% for background checks before any exchange of guns but the federal government is not prosecuting the existing cases.
Graham gets rolled by the police chief...
"We make 2,000 gun cases a year, Senator.
That our priority...
We're not in a paper chase.
We're trying to prevent the wrong people buying guns.
That's why we do background checks.
If you think I'm going to do a paper chase then you think I'm going to misuse my rescources."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32cxzANsFwI&feature=player_embedded
Graham is a fool carrying water for La Pierre and other fools. This argument is like saying we should judge the effectiveness of speed limit signs by how many tickets are written. The point isn't the tickets, it's the vast majority of people who at least stay close to the posted speed limit because of them, and in this case, the number of felons who don't try, at least the places where the check is required. Extend that check to now exempted legal purchases and you don't eliminate, but limit opportunities for them to purchase.
I know someone who prosecutes gangs and violent crimes at the federal level and like this sheriff, he isn't going to waste his time and valuable resources on "paper chases". Graham forgets any case has to be brought to a judge and jury, who are not automatically going to send someone to jail - where space is a limited resource - for trying to buy a gun they were ultimately denied. Everyone in the system has more important fish to fry with more effective results According to my contact, give them a minimum federal sentence guideline for felons caught in possession of a gun - there is none now - so they don't have to also catch them with drugs, or some other crime that does carry minimum sentencing guidelines. F..king no brainer.
jmoliver
02-28-2013, 08:37 AM
Yea that "paper chase" as he calls it is convicted felons trying to buy weapons. Do you think just maybe those guns are going to other felons and gangs?
Yea that "paper chase" as he calls it is convicted felons trying to buy weapons. Do you think just maybe those guns are going to other felons and gangs?
Of course, and in a perfect world you would arrest them and prosecute, but police and prosecutors:
1 Have to spend time and other resources bringing a prosecution.
2 Judges and juries have to agree it's crime and then set punishment. How likely are they to give serious time to someone who walked out of a store without a gun?
3 Police and prosecutors usually have bigger fish to fry with the possibility of more rewarding results for them and society.
My contact told me the same thing the Milwaukee Police Chief told Graham.
Tim85
02-28-2013, 08:46 AM
I dont think anyone got "owned". Both screamed at each other and neither got a point across. I am 100% for background checks before any exchange of guns but the federal government is not prosecuting the existing cases.
The problem is you have so many people today that pull for their political party like it's a football team. They view it black and white. My side is right, other side is wrong, period. Oh if only things could really be so simple. Someone rushes to start this thread about how someone from the other side got "owned," like his team scored a touchdown. In reality, this type of thought only hurts us all.
The problem is you have so many people today that pull for their political party like it's a football team. They view it black and white. My side is right, other side is wrong, period. Oh if only things could really be so simple. Someone rushes to start this thread about how someone from the other side got "owned," like his team scored a touchdown. In reality, this type of thought only hurts us all.
How about looking at the facts by the people who do this for a living - fight criminals like police and prosecutors that is, not bloviators like Graham.
Why don't we agree on closing the loopholes on background checks and creating a federal minimum sentencing guideline for felons caught with a gun. Neither of those are partisan, right? Common sense solutions, right? The first having wide support among all Americans, the latter not known by many, but a no brainer, right?
gator996
02-28-2013, 10:00 AM
The problem is you have so many people today that pull for their political party like it's a football team. They view it black and white. My side is right, other side is wrong, period. Oh if only things could really be so simple. Someone rushes to start this thread about how someone from the other side got "owned," like his team scored a touchdown. In reality, this type of thought only hurts us all.
Graham got "owned" because as a senior congressional leader he let a city public employee get under his skin...
...while presenting a more logical argument...
If that was Obama being spoken to by a NRA member 3/4 th of Too Hot would get a stiff woody...
Tim...suffice it to say that you assume some things about "rooting" that are completely wrong....
...may say something about your own personal biases than what you think you see in others....
PSGator66
02-28-2013, 10:46 AM
This was covered on C-span so approximately 1 person was actually watching? If that is the best you can do to trash the Republicans you may as well quit while your behind.
CharlestonGator
02-28-2013, 11:02 AM
Yep. Its amazing the amount of energy/time people put forth to argue for/against something they know is incorrect/wrong---but they do it b/c they have projected so much of their self-worth into how well their team (side) does.
The problem is you have so many people today that pull for their political party like it's a football team. They view it black and white. My side is right, other side is wrong, period. In reality, this type of thought only hurts us all.
gator996
02-28-2013, 11:18 AM
Yep. Its amazing the amount of energy/time people put forth to argue for/against something they know is incorrect/wrong---but they do it b/c they have projected so much of their self-worth into how well their team (side) does.
Where would that sentiment be in terms of background checks which is what the video clip is about?
Is it the police chief who knows he's incorrect or is it Sen. Graham?
:huh:
HudsonGator
02-28-2013, 11:36 AM
The problem is you have so many people today that pull for their political party like it's a football team. They view it black and white. My side is right, other side is wrong, period. Oh if only things could really be so simple. Someone rushes to start this thread about how someone from the other side got "owned," like his team scored a touchdown. In reality, this type of thought only hurts us all.
Well said.
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