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Bear1974

02-17-2013, 07:24 PM

Everybody has bad games.

I think I would characterize Scum's season as one of the moon perfectly aligning seasons or halleys comet type of seasons in which everything is going right so far.

We will see if they win this extremely ugly game because they have been dancing around this cliff this game and the last game against Felon U.

Listen UF had one of those seasons in 1994. You had the right group of players - playing at the right time - and happen to be playing well together right now.

Can this success carry over to the post season. We will see - I suspect the answer is no and something strange will happen to them in the end.

UFSECKINGS

02-17-2013, 07:30 PM

Canes' shooting 8% from three

gator1986

02-17-2013, 07:31 PM

Yes the canes suck we know. Hopefully they lose so I can call my stupid uncle and trash him again.

kalaniocc

02-17-2013, 07:38 PM

40-38 clemson 2:35 left

gatordavisl

02-17-2013, 07:39 PM

Can it be viewed anywhere other than ESPN U?

gogators73

02-17-2013, 07:41 PM

I wonder how far Miami's RPI would drop if they lose?

Duke loses to like #60 Maryland and stayed at #1.

gatorbogey

02-17-2013, 07:44 PM

1:40
42-38
tigers w/ the ball too

kalaniocc

02-17-2013, 07:45 PM

42-38 clemson 1:25 left

kalaniocc

02-17-2013, 07:50 PM

44-43 miami 34 secs

gatordavisl

02-17-2013, 07:51 PM

Thanks for updates

Jonas

02-17-2013, 07:52 PM

bah

gatorbogey

02-17-2013, 07:52 PM

cane was still moving, but they call an offensive charge instead.

kalaniocc

02-17-2013, 07:52 PM

Damn

gogators73

02-17-2013, 07:53 PM

Wow bad call there.

ArtVandelay

02-17-2013, 07:53 PM

That was a really bad call...

jareduf

02-17-2013, 07:53 PM

Clemson missed so many foul shots.

kalaniocc

02-17-2013, 07:55 PM

Blah, miami wins

gatorbogey

02-17-2013, 07:56 PM

layin and tip put-back chance miss at the buzzer for clemson
miami survives

gatorbogey

02-17-2013, 07:56 PM

45-43 miami

iam4uf

02-17-2013, 07:57 PM

I've watched several of their games, Miami might be a top ten team at best. When Miami was playing well, they would've given UF a good game but they're just not as good as the Gators.

ArtVandelay

02-17-2013, 08:03 PM

funniest thing I have heard in awhile:

Dari Nowkhah "If you are a Miami fan, and I know there are a lot out there watching..."

G8rNkoko

02-17-2013, 08:03 PM

That was one of the ugliest games I have seen this season, by any two teams.

gtr2x

02-17-2013, 08:05 PM

Kadji with the big shot for the Canes...a wide open 3.

keypox

02-17-2013, 08:17 PM

Haven't watched much of Miami, first full game. But based on that game they do not look very good.

DreadnaughtCane

02-17-2013, 08:20 PM

Haven't watched much of Miami, first full game. But based on that game they do not look very good.

Road games are pretty tough for anyone. Lucky to scratch out a win right there, but everyone else seems to have had "that game" without leaving with a W.

DreadnaughtCane

02-17-2013, 08:23 PM

When Miami was playing well......

We've won 13 straight and just had a 2-0 road trip. Not sure when we stopped playing well. A tough road game isn't that strange in college basketball.

CASontag

02-17-2013, 08:24 PM

Wow, it's sounds like it was almost Pittsburgh-esc in its ugliness :-p Well Miami won so I guess that means they move up to number 2 for the next poll. Still they are a good team on a very hot streak in the ACC conference, so survive a tough road game and move on. There will be always games when a team looks vulnerable especially with this years crop of teams, i.e. there is no one team that stands head and shoulders above all the rest.

gatorbogey

02-17-2013, 08:39 PM

yeah, you go on the road in conference play, you leave w/ a W, you've done well and should be really happy.

diamondted13

02-18-2013, 12:01 AM

benheb

02-18-2013, 12:18 AM

7-0 road record in ACC play. Nothing unimpressive about that. Miami was terrible for 59 minutes and pulled it out. This is a loss for almost any team. They somehow escaped despite a dreadful shooting night. Anyone that doesn't think they are legit and one of the best teams in the country hasn't watched them enough.

Yes - they are a good team. I think we are better and I would expect us to beat them. I don't think our guys would disrespect them - just beat them.

Angaza

02-18-2013, 12:48 AM

We've won 13 straight and just had a 2-0 road trip. Not sure when we stopped playing well. A tough road game isn't that strange in college basketball.Winning and playing well aren't the same. Miami has won, and played well in many games but this wasn't one of them, and neither was their game against NC State.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 07:29 AM

Winning and playing well aren't the same. Miami has won, and played well in many games but this wasn't one of them, and neither was their game against NC State.

Agreed, but the quote was "when they were playing well" as though we've been having these kinds of games for two weeks now. No one else is going on the road and winning every conference game.

The NC State game was a road conference win against a team that's going to win 20+ games. There is nothing bad or ugly about that. We just might have our Arkansas game at some point, but it hasn't happened yet.

gulfgator

02-18-2013, 08:13 AM

Miami won a close game on the road and survived some horrible shooting, I give them a lot of credit for that, but we know Clemson's not good and if UM played that game against the Gators, UF wins 10 out of 10 IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Um is one of the top 6 teams, balanced and experienced, but I still think they will have some tourney issues because none of their team has been there.

Working4theEnemy

02-18-2013, 08:15 AM

Miami has already lost to Indiana State and Florida Gulf Coast. They are benefiting from the worst ACC in decades. Them at #2 is just laughable.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 08:22 AM

.....I still think they will have some tourney issues because none of their team has been there.

Agreed 100%.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 08:25 AM

Miami has already lost to Indiana State and Florida Gulf Coast. They are benefiting from the worst ACC in decades. Them at #2 is just laughable.

Where would you have Miami ranked given these numbers:

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/nitty

ArtVandelay

02-18-2013, 09:44 AM

Where would you have Miami ranked given these numbers:

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/nitty

Miami is having a great season, but where are they getting those numbers from. Their SOS overall and non-conference? They played Mich St. and Arizona. The ACC is down this year. There are still some good teams, but only Duke and Miami are top teams.

North Carolina hasn't beaten anyone good and NC State only beat Duke. They don't belong in the Top 50.

Again, Miami is playing great and doing what they need to do to win. Let's see how it plays out in the ACC Tourney and the big dance.

born2beagator

02-18-2013, 10:00 AM

We've won 13 straight and just had a 2-0 road trip. Not sure when we stopped playing well. A tough road game isn't that strange in college basketball.

Hmmmmm....bandwagon cane alert. I don't think I have ever seen you post about miami basketball here before this year.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 10:04 AM

Miami is having a great season, but where are they getting those numbers from.

It's all data-based. It has no human influence, if that's what you're wondering.

As for the ACC being "down", it's still good enough to be one of the top four conferences. The ACC has two top teams and no one worse than #167. The SEC, by comparison, has one top team and three teams in the 200+ range. Those teams in the 200's are RPI killers, and you had four in conference play. Not your fault, but the RPI isn't going to ignore it.

While I believe that UF is playing phenomenal basketball right now, there isn't anyone else in the conference better than #38 to be able to make that big national statement. UNC and NC State would be #2 and #3 in the SEC right now, to put it in perspective.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 10:07 AM

Hmmmmm....bandwagon cane alert. I don't think I have ever seen you post about miami basketball here before this year.

This is what I get for coming here and trying to talk basketball like an adult. I used to come here to talk baseball. A lot. But you folks couldn't be mature about it. Like this.

I will point out that UF attendance in all sports seems to fluctuate with success, just like everyone else in the world, so let's not pretend that we're not all bandwagon fans.

gulfgator

02-18-2013, 10:17 AM

I applaud the Cane hoops fan, dang we all know they need a few.

UM is having a very special year. Enjoy the ride, except if you meet the Gators.

wci347

02-18-2013, 10:21 AM

They are a very good team that has the potential to go deep into the tournament. The biggest concern is that they have no one on the team with real tournament experience. That factor alone can either hurt them or help them, but for most programs it is a detriment.

They would not match up well against us because we could afford to have Wilberkin focus strictly on defense against him whereas Larkin has to be a major component on offense in order for them to have a chance of beating us. Just keeping Wilberkin in action in the half court and using Boynton at the point would wear Larkin down by half time.

ArtVandelay

02-18-2013, 10:24 AM

It's all data-based. It has no human influence, if that's what you're wondering.

As for the ACC being "down", it's still good enough to be one of the top four conferences. The ACC has two top teams and no one worse than #167. The SEC, by comparison, has one top team and three teams in the 200+ range. Those teams in the 200's are RPI killers, and you had four in conference play. Not your fault, but the RPI isn't going to ignore it.

While I believe that UF is playing phenomenal basketball right now, there isn't anyone else in the conference better than #38 to be able to make that big national statement. UNC and NC State would be #2 and #3 in the SEC right now, to put it in perspective.

I'm not trying to compare UF to UM.

I'm just talking about UM and those numbers are bogus. North Carolina, NC State and Maryland are all just okay. You can't just go by the rankings from this site and say they would be #2 or #3. They haven't beaten anyone. That is a fact. Look at their schedules. They have no business being ranked as high as they are.

Again, who did Miami play non-conference. Just Michigan State and Arizona. Both teams are excellent, but not a very strong schedule besides that if you ask me. So how is their overall non-conference ranking so high?

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 10:30 AM

I'm not trying to compare UF to UM.

I'm just talking about UM and those numbers are bogus. North Carolina, NC State and Maryland are all just okay. You can't just go by the rankings from this site and say they would be #2 or #3. They haven't beaten anyone. That is a fact. Look at their schedules. They have no business being ranked as high as they are.

Again, who did Miami play non-conference. Just Michigan State and Arizona. Both teams are excellent, but not a very strong schedule besides that if you ask me. So how is their overall non-conference ranking so high?

First point: "They haven't beaten anyone". Well, except for #1 Duke and #5 Michigan State and #22 NC State and #30 UNC twice. Work with me here.

If Miami doesn't deserve to be that high, who does? And what is your evidence that those teams have performed better against a tougher schedule?

HALLGATOR

02-18-2013, 10:41 AM

This is what I get for coming here and trying to talk basketball like an adult. I used to come here to talk baseball. A lot. But you folks couldn't be mature about it. Like this.

I will point out that UF attendance in all sports seems to fluctuate with success, just like everyone else in the world, so let's not pretend that we're not all bandwagon fans.

Let me point out that you are welcome here but judging the whole board by the statements of one or two posters doesn't reflect all that well on you either.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 10:42 AM

Let me point out that you are welcome here but judging the whole board by the statements of one or two posters doesn't reflect all that well on you either.

Point taken. Thank you.

diamondted13

02-18-2013, 11:05 AM

Miami has already lost to Indiana State and Florida Gulf Coast. They are benefiting from the worst ACC in decades. Them at #2 is just laughable.

Non-Conference wins against Michigan St, LaSalle, and Charlotte. Losses to Indiana St. (61 RPI and possible tourney team) and FGCU (102 RPI) are far from catastrophic.
12-0 conference record in 4th rated conference. I'm not sure what exactly you are looking for in a resume to warrant a #2 national ranking.

Look, it's easy to take shots at Miami because they have zero b-ball pedigree. They will very likely be back to mediocrity next season. But they have caught lightning in a bottle this year (5 seniors, size, great PG). They are serious contenders. All that doesn't guarantee they get out of the first weekend of the tourney. Just like there is no guarantee for us, IU, Duke, etc. to make a deep run. My point is simply that they are elite this year. Having watched them pretty closely this year, I for one hope they don't end up in the same region as we do. I'm not saying we lose to them, but there are several top 10 teams I think we match up better against.

ArtVandelay

02-18-2013, 11:19 AM

First point: "They haven't beaten anyone". Well, except for #1 Duke and #5 Michigan State and #22 NC State and #30 UNC twice. Work with me here.

If Miami doesn't deserve to be that high, who does? And what is your evidence that those teams have performed better against a tougher schedule?

Read my posts.

NC and NC State haven't beaten anyone. They don't deserve to be rated as high as they are which is why some of Miami's numbers are inflated.

I didn't say that Miami doesn't deserve to be rated high. I said they are having a great season. I said it multiple times.

Their non-conference and regular RPI ratings are inflated because of other teams getting the benefit of undeserved ratings.

I would put Miami in the top 4. I still think they are behind Indiana, Michigan and UF.

As I said before Miami is having a great season. Let's wait and see how they do in the tourneys.

DreadnaughtCane

02-18-2013, 11:25 AM

Read my posts.

NC and NC State haven't beaten anyone. They don't deserve to be rated as high as they are which is why some of Miami's numbers are inflated.

I didn't say that Miami doesn't deserve to be rated high. I said they are having a great season. I said it multiple times.

Their non-conference and regular RPI ratings are inflated because of other teams getting the benefit of undeserved ratings.

I would put Miami in the top 4. I still think they are behind Indiana, Michigan and UF.

As I said before Miami is having a great season. Let's wait and see how they do in the tourneys.

I read your posts and you wrote that Miami hasn't beaten anyone. So I had to point out wins against #1 and #5.

Dive into the math and tell me why UNC and NC State are rated higher than they should be. What part of the calculation is artificially raising their numbers?

You can think that we are behind UF, and that is fine. How, though, do you use the schedule criteria you listed above and put an SEC team above another major-conference team with similar numbers?

lean_gator

02-18-2013, 11:40 AM

Let the Canes have their time while it lasts. They have a good team this year.

orlandogator

02-18-2013, 11:53 AM

Both teams played like they all had the flu. Very slow.

ArtVandelay

02-18-2013, 11:59 AM

I read your posts and you wrote that Miami hasn't beaten anyone. So I had to point out wins against #1 and #5.

Dive into the math and tell me why UNC and NC State are rated higher than they should be. What part of the calculation is artificially raising their numbers?

You can think that we are behind UF, and that is fine. How, though, do you use the schedule criteria you listed above and put an SEC team above another major-conference team with similar numbers?

I said that NC and NC State (besides Duke) haven't beaten anyone.

I said that besides Michigan State and Arizona, that Miami's non-conference schedule is just okay.

Do you disagree? If so, please share...

WESGATORS

02-18-2013, 02:01 PM

This is what I get for coming here and trying to talk basketball like an adult. I used to come here to talk baseball. A lot. But you folks couldn't be mature about it. Like this.

We know the real reason you stopped talking baseball. :D I kid, I kid. Dreadnaught, I said it then, and I'll say it again now. You are a welcome rival on the baseball boards, and it's always nice to have a little perspective from the other side sprinkled in with the rest of the bunch. If I recall correctly, you and another poster were going back and forth. Coincidentally, that other poster rarely posts there any more. Give it another shot if you like.

By the way, Miami hoops is having a fantastic year. Hope to see you guys in Atlanta.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

born2beagator

02-18-2013, 03:19 PM

Point taken. Thank you.

I also didn't know your past posting history. I have had very few pleasant experiences with Miami fans, on message boards or otherwise, so naturally I assume that a Miami fan that suddenly shows up on our board posting about the Canes in a good year is either a troll or a bandwagon fan.

My apologies

GatorJeff

02-18-2013, 03:47 PM

diamondted13

02-18-2013, 05:19 PM

Miami has had to win bunch of close games to get to 12-0. They could easily be 8-4 with a handful of unlucky bounces. The Gators have blown every team out in conference other than Arkansas. The Gators didn't need to win a bunch of end-of-game coin flips.

Also, if the Gators played Clemson 10 times, what are the odds that they wouldn't score more than 50 points each time?

I think trying to diminish a 12-0 start because they have played exactly 3 games that came down to a final possession is silly and petty. They have won the other 9 by at least 6 pts and 5 by double digits. I think a lot of Gator fans fail to realize how awful the SEC is this year. I personally wish we had a few more competitive games. The 20-30 pt wins are not getting us ready for March. We are going to have to execute in close games, which didn't exactly go well for us earlier this season.