CNN is a complete joke!

[PSGator66]

With the economy going through the Sh#ter, Unemployment at 8 plus %, the US currently in numerous wars and this is what they focus on.......

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/02/13/CNN-asks-Rubio-water-sipping-career-ender

[orangeblueorangeblue]

We've been in numerous wars for more than a decade. The economy has been in the s**ter since early 2008.

It's a somewhat valid question - anyone remember the dropoff Jindal had after his lackluster SOTU rebuttal?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I actually didn't think Rubio should have accepted for this very reason. This isn't a really a winner of a position to get.

Rubio should be building visibility on his own, not through these very monotonous, scripted events.

[PSGator66]

Hillary's failure at Benghazi is not a career ender but Rubio taking a swig of water possibly is? If that is the case this nation is more effed up than I thought as the mental midgets have taken over.

[rivergator]

it was a stupid thing for CNN to put on the screen.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Hillary's failure at Benghazi is not a career ender but Rubio taking a swig of water possibly is? If that is the case this nation is more effed up than I thought as the mental midgets have taken over.

Well they addressed that, too:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/politics/benghazi-report-clinton-legacy

[MichiGator2002]

Honestly, whichever commentator said it is right -- if this is the big talking point on the left, that broseph was parched, he must have done very well.

And, really, Obama is one of the worst extemporaneous speakers I have ever seen in public office, with the constant barrage, the onslaught of umm and uh the second he is off prepared or rehearsed remarks. It hasn't held him back. Nor do I remember seeing the major press speculate if it might be a career ended when he was in the Senate.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

it was a stupid thing for CNN to put on the screen.

I don't think so.

The Republican Party is on the ropes a bit, and they've been very peckish about their "next big thing" for the last 5 years or so, tossing aside hot name after hot name. Jindal, Palin, Perry, Cain, West, etc.

Now Rubio is a pretty stellar candidate and I think he'd be best served not doing these very formalized and traditional things. But the way the party has been casting aside hot items lately, it's a totally relevant question. Is the party with Rubio for the long run, or just as long as he's out of the spotlight, without controversy or flub and popular?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Honestly, whichever commentator said it is right -- if this is the big talking point on the left, that broseph was parched, he must have done very well.

And, really, Obama is one of the worst extemporaneous speakers I have ever seen in public office, with the constant barrage, the onslaught of umm and uh the second he is off prepared or rehearsed remarks. It hasn't held him back. Nor do I remember seeing the major press speculate if it might be a career ended when he was in the Senate.

This was just one of those "moments." It was totally irrelevant, totally ignorable, but had an instant social media response. Unfortunately that's what people latch onto these days. It was awkward and funny, and that's about as far as people's attention spans are willing to permit these days.

[PSGator66]

Orangeblueorange - I think your crediblity just took a hit with your responses.

[Tim85]

I don't think so.

The Republican Party is on the ropes a bit, and they've been very peckish about their "next big thing" for the last 5 years or so, tossing aside hot name after hot name. Jindal, Palin, Perry, Cain, West, etc.

Now Rubio is a pretty stellar candidate and I think he'd be best served not doing these very formalized and traditional things. But the way the party has been casting aside hot items lately, it's a totally relevant question. Is the party with Rubio for the long run, or just as long as he's out of the spotlight, without controversy or flub and popular?

I think you say some of this stuff like there should be an answer readily available, but to me, it's just not that simpe. The Republican party hasn't been collectively together for 5-6 years now and no one has any idea whether the party is with him or against him at this point, and I think that's pretty standard. I think a lot of the party thinks he has potential, and as you said, that potential is pretty obvious.

You mentioned in your latter post that people latch onto these irrelevant moments, and you're right. However, that part of our media and society that latch - their attention span is so short, and they're so fickel, the good thing is they'll be onto something else in a matter of days.

[Tim85]

Honestly, whichever commentator said it is right -- if this is the big talking point on the left, that broseph was parched, he must have done very well.

And, really, Obama is one of the worst extemporaneous speakers I have ever seen in public office, with the constant barrage, the onslaught of umm and uh the second he is off prepared or rehearsed remarks. It hasn't held him back. Nor do I remember seeing the major press speculate if it might be a career ended when he was in the Senate.

I agree, but the issue with that is that this President in particular has benefits others won't have, maybe ever again. Being the first [half-]black President, and being a true celebrity -- I think it will be hard for anyone with any true sense of humility to satisfy our current culture's desire for those celebrity-qualities.

[mocgator]

Honestly, whichever commentator said it is right -- if this is the big talking point on the left, that broseph was parched, he must have done very well.

And, really, Obama is one of the worst extemporaneous speakers I have ever seen in public office, with the constant barrage, the onslaught of umm and uh the second he is off prepared or rehearsed remarks. It hasn't held him back. Nor do I remember seeing the major press speculate if it might be a career ended when he was in the Senate.

When was obama in the Senate?? Prove it. What did he do if he was really there?

[Swampmaster]

cnn--mouthpiece of the democrat party. cnn has been in their pocket a long time.

[ThePlayer]

Why should any of this surprise you from a country that elected Barack Obama...twice?

[wgbgator]

Does Rubio have the makings of a formidable politician? Yes.

Is the GOP rolling him out a little early? Yes, but they really don't have anyone else in the stable.

Will this speech have any impact on his career? Doubtful.

[108]

Is Rubio a for real conservative or is he just an establishment pick to attract the Latin vote?

[cocodrilo]

Why should any of this surprise you from a country that elected Barack Obama...twice?

Not to mention George W. Bush... twice.

Not to mention Bill ("We must end the politics of personal destruction") Clinton... twice.

Not to mention Ronald ("We did not trade arms for hostages") Reagan... twice.

In the old days of smoke-filled rooms, it at least wasn't the people's fault who got nominated. Nowadays it's the people's fault who gets nominated and it's the people's fault who gets elected. The only thing the people can't control are the jerks and sociopaths who decide to run.

So lay off of Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and whoever is next.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Orangeblueorange - I think your crediblity just took a hit with your responses.

Are you really going to pretend that the Pubs haven't been tossing aside the "up and coming" leaders on a whim? It's probably one of the big reasons the party is stagnating - they get somebody to be excited about and then dump them for the most trivial of reasons. You're left with either no leadership or leadership that consists almost exclusively of people aged 65 or older.

If the Pubs do what they have done of late, Rubio will take a step back. If they do what they should, they'll consider this a complete non-story and continue grooming him, front and center. I think which action they choose is a totally legitimate question.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Is Rubio a for real conservative or is he just an establishment pick to attract the Latin vote?

He's more conservative than most of the party. He's also articulate and (usually) very good at speaking. He has a bright future. It doesn't hurt that he's Hispanic, no.

[cocodrilo]

Rubio is a neocon. That means if he becomes president and there's a war to be found, preferably in the Middle East, he will make sure that it's found. (All you have to do, as we all know, is cook some intelligence.)

[MastaG8r]

it was a stupid thing for CNN to put on the screen....but - let me guess - not any indication of liberal media bias at all, right? Just...stupid?

[rivergator]

...but - let me guess - not any indication of liberal media bias at all, right? Just...stupid?

certainly a liberal lean to that incident.

[MastaG8r]

certainly a liberal lean to that incident.Goodness gracious - rivergator acknowledging an incident of liberal media bias? There's a first time for everything.

[mocgator]

Rubio is a neocon. That means if he becomes president and there's a war to be found, preferably in the Middle East, he will make sure that it's found. (All you have to do, as we all know, is cook some intelligence.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS2KSRUVHo

[rivergator]

Goodness gracious - rivergator acknowledging an incident of liberal media bias? There's a first time for everything.

not true, of course. but if it makes you feel better ....

[JerseyGator01]

CNN: the most rusted name in news.

[DaveFla]

Orangeblueorange - I think your crediblity just took a hit with your responses.


No, no, no... OBOB is an "independent"...

[Tim85]

Rubio is a neocon. That means if he becomes president and there's a war to be found, preferably in the Middle East, he will make sure that it's found. (All you have to do, as we all know, is cook some intelligence.)

Yes, let's perpetuate and live by stereotypes. Unless you're being facetious in which case I apologize, but that doesn't seem the case. Let's take half of our country and assume just because they consider themselves as Republicans, they're all the same and want the exact same thing. If we were talking about stereotyping blacks as thugs, Mexicans as illegals, and Asians as bad drivers -- would you still be okay with it? It's the same thing -- taking an entire group of people and assuming they all fit a certain mold.

[cocodrilo]

Yes, let's perpetuate and live by stereotypes. Unless you're being facetious in which case I apologize, but that doesn't seem the case. Let's take half of our country and assume just because they consider themselves as Republicans, they're all the same and want the exact same thing. If we were talking about stereotyping blacks as thugs, Mexicans as illegals, and Asians as bad drivers -- would you still be okay with it? It's the same thing -- taking an entire group of people and assuming they all fit a certain mold.

Okay, let me put it another way. Rubio attracts neocons like Flies.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/neocons-jamie-ultra.html

[JerseyGator01]

Can the liberal media possibly become anymore superficial? Come on, people! October is over! Will investigative journalism ever exist again with a Dem as Prez? Highly doubtful.

People are just so superficial these days. And some are stupid enough to think that people actually vote on the issues.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

No, no, no... OBOB is an "independent"...

Well, I am a pretty big Rubio fan and supporter. But you'll get to the bottom of it eventually. :laugh:

[Tim85]

Okay, let me put it another way. Rubio attracts neocons like Flies.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/neocons-jamie-ultra.html

Cocodrilo, what makes you think posting to an obviously liberal and biased blog post is going to convince anyone of anything? I don't understand this line of thinking. If you're going to debate with someone, posting a link to an editorial on a blog isn't going to help your position, it hurts it. It shows that you're more interested in reading information that is catered to your specific ideas and beliefs rather than what the actual truth is.

You can tell which of you really eat up personal blogs and liberally-biased sites because the term "neocon" is really only used on those. Does anyone in real life say, "neocon" or "neo-conservative" when talking politics? They basically seem like internet buzz-words found on blogs, editorials, and message boards.

[LittleBlueLW]

Let's quit dancing around the real issue. Rubio is not black enough, not hispanic enough (Cuban barely qualifies) and not old, fat and white enough.

He could be the smartest MFer on the planet and still not stand a chance to win the GOP nomination.

But his mere presence seems to bother Dems for some reason.

[wargunfan]

Is Rubio a for real conservative or is he just an establishment pick to attract the Latin vote?

I have met him and spoken with him. I believe he is conservative on most issues. The man is a grass roots Republican who can put Florida back in the Republican column. He scares the Democrats because he is thoughtful, articulate and young. It is up to the Republican Party to articulate an immigration policy that is fair to all concerned.

[pecks]

Yes Cococrilo the smoke filled rooms don't pick anyone now. It's the media with their bias and the idiots that think they know better than the rest of the country. They still pick their favorites, they just do it another way. Anything to keep the sheeple fooled and on the plantation!

[cocodrilo]

Cocodrilo, what makes you think posting to an obviously liberal and biased blog post is going to convince anyone of anything? I don't understand this line of thinking. If you're going to debate with someone, posting a link to an editorial on a blog isn't going to help your position, it hurts it. It shows that you're more interested in reading information that is catered to your specific ideas and beliefs rather than what the actual truth is.

What are you talking about? I don't know if the "blog post" you refer to is left or right and I don't care. I linked it because it reports Rubio's hiring of Jamie Fly and something of his background. Are you trying to say this report is false? Are you trying to deny that Fly founded the Foreign Policy Initiative, on whose board sit neocons Kagan and Kristol and which is basically the successor to the now defunct neocon Project for the New American Century (founded by Kristol)? Are you trying to say that Fly is not a neocon? What exactly are you trying to say? What you wrote is nonsense.

[MastaG8r]

Let's quit dancing around the real issue. Rubio is not black enough, not hispanic enough (Cuban barely qualifies) and not old, fat and white enough.

He could be the smartest MFer on the planet and still not stand a chance to win the GOP nomination.

But his mere presence seems to bother Dems for some reason.Yeah I think they do perceive that as a Hispanic he poses a particularly dangerous threat. But the real reason they're all piling on him is because he stuck his head up. That's going to be their plan from here on out, since it worked so well against Romney.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2nqdUt7yhfA/T67JXtY9p3I/AAAAAAAAANA/gNB_AXp-1io/s1600/whack-a-mole2.jpg

The Whack-a-Pub Strategy: As soon as any Republican so much as starts to look like he might possibly emerge from the pack as a Presidential contender, it's attack attack attack, the earlier and more often the better. And don't let the truth be any limitation on the attacks. Repeat the innuendos and lies early and often enough and by the time election season rolls around they will be the truth.