Meyer delusional??

[TheGator]

Meyer tells story of Woody Hayes speech after loss to Florida in Gator Bowl two years ago?!?!

http://gamedayr.com/gamedayr/urban-meyer-woody-hayes-crazy-story/

[pinecrestgator]

He told the same story about Earl Bruce last year. Spencer Hall calls him out on it:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2013/2/12/3980846/how-plausible-is-this-turtle-bites-ohio-man

[gatorr4life]

Strange.

[WESGATORS]

He's very clearly presenting that as a joke in that video.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[number1]

He's very clearly presenting that as a joke in that video.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Watch it or you might be called an Urban apologist. lol

[geauxgator1]

They told that story on the radio in south florida today. made UM look silly. He is a strange duck.

[GatorAvatar]

Another Meyer thread. You hate him, we get it.

[your_perfect_enemy]

Anyone see the link about Deloss dodds taking a shot at mizzou? Kinda sad if you're comparing yourself to them, not to mention a&m's record blew theirs out of the water

[nastyreptile]

Another Meyer thread. You hate him, we get it.


And you love him, we get it...:yes:

[gatorr4life]

And you love him, we get it...:yes:

Lol. Well played.....well played.

[GatorAvatar]

And you love him, we get it...:yes:

Yeah (he gave us 2 NCs), and I dont start a myriad threads about him every two hours.

[dadx4]

I am not upset with urbs other than the fact that I knew all along he would bolt to tosu the second that job opened up. Also considering his last year here he really wasn't.

[gator85jd]

I am not upset with urbs other than the fact that I knew all along he would bolt to tosu the second that job opened up. Also considering his last year here he really wasn't.

Maybe he would give back a year's wages?

Oh, plus that extra million JF handed him as he and Shelly were loading the moving van.

[SkyChimp]

I'm thankful for the 2 NC's we received under Meyer's coaching. After all it took us 10 years to get our 2nd NC. For this, I thank you Urban.

My only issue is how he planned his exit strategy. "My health my health, etc..." Then he comes back, then his health again and takes a 1 year vacation to the media, then its OSU as his home. All this in a couple of years. It just looks like to most of GatorNation that he was fickle, delusional, or simple didn't care.

[rpmGator]

Love an hate are emotions. Football boils down to stats and records. That is why the national media understand how good a coach Meyer is, and why some of you sound like spurned teens.

Get over it.

[Lawdog88]

They told that story on the radio in south florida today. made UM look silly. He is a strange duck.


A strange duck with a turtle complex.

[mikehev]

I like Meyer. I'm grateful for the championships.

What he built in Gainesville was great, just not sustainable. He realized it and stepped down.

That's the difference between what he did and SOS did, and what Saban has done in Alabama. Meyer is a great coach, produces immediate success, but not the type of program that can sustain an 8-10 year run (at least from what we have seen so far).

I'm glad we got him for the time that we did, and I'm glad we have WMC now.

Thankful for Meyer and his run.

In Christ forever,
Mike
Psalm 121

[gatormoe1]

Yeah (he gave us 2 NCs), and I dont start a myriad threads about him every two hours.

Yeah you save your threads for unnecessary negativity.

[pcolagator]

just because he helped the Gators win 2 BCS titles doesn't mean everybody has to bury their faces in his a$$. undeniably, he quit on the Gators and dumped the Gator Nation with a load of bull$hit about family time, etc. while admitting he had left the program "broken." everybody has warts and Meyer is not above having them pointed out and being held accountable...

[pcolagator]

btw, don't think for a second that moving to the Big 2 and Little 8 wasn't a calculated move to avoid the unparalleled competition and excellence of the SEC.

[Claygator]

Not this sh*&t again.

[ovillegator]

Not this sh*&t again.

No kidding.

Guys, we were 11-2 last year... in the SEC.

Let's live now and look ahead. All the hate/love Meyer stuff should disappear until that day - if it comes - they are lucky enough to play us in a NC game.

We'll be there... not so sure about them.

:yes:

[4everaGator]

OSU 12-0 in the l'il ten, they would have gone 8-4 at best in the SEC, snapping turtles wouldn't have helped them!

[nawlinsgator]

He's very clearly presenting that as a joke in that video.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Yeah, obviously, but it still makes you go...wtf?

[tilly]

To all those who remain obsessed about Urban...I offer two points that we should all focus on going forward:

1. Will
2. Muschamp

[GuyWhiteyCorngood]

To all those who remain obsessed about Urban...I offer two points that we should all focus on going forward:

1. Will
2. Muschamp

1. Thank
2. You

[Jaggator]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/0b19fc147a4062276a13f38edde46cfa/tumblr_mesg0scc9Q1ragpqjo1_400.jpg

[SmootyGator]

I'm thankful for the 2 NC's we received under Meyer's coaching. After all it took us 10 years to get our 2nd NC. For this, I thank you Urban.

My only issue is how he planned his exit strategy. "My health my health, etc..." Then he comes back, then his health again and takes a 1 year vacation to the media, then its OSU as his home. All this in a couple of years. It just looks like to most of GatorNation that he was fickle, delusional, or simple didn't care.

This middle of the road stuff isn't going to cut it here on Gator Country. You must pick a side. There is no middle ground. You must LOVE him or HATE him! :laugh:

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I neither love nor hate him, nor do I care if others love or hate him.

But can we stop pretending he isn't one of the best college football coaches?

[bantab]

I wonder if Meyer understands the irony of telling a story about "f'n toughness" where his idol withstands a turtle biting on "whatever he pulled out" after Meyer himself just quit his last job because he had a case of the hiccups.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I wonder if Meyer understands the irony of telling a story about "f'n toughness" where his idol withstands a turtle biting on "whatever he pulled out" after Meyer himself just quit his last job because he had a case of the hiccups.

I don't know, but we could see if you understand the irony when you ask him this to his face.

[bantab]

I don't know, but we could see if you understand the irony when you ask him this to his face.

I'd love to ask him. It's not like he could get upset; gotta keep those stress levels down.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Yes, I feel confident the same bravado would be on full display in real life.

[gatorev12]

A strange duck with a turtle complex.

This is one of those occasions when it's really unfortunate you're prohibited from repping a post...

[wygator]

Cowherd says he's about to share a story about Meyer ripping on the Big 10.

[gatorman_07732]

Cowherd says he's about to share a story about Meyer ripping on the Big 10.

Now that should be fun

[wygator]

Cowherd says he's about to share a story about Meyer ripping on the Big 10.

Meyer said the Big 10 needs to change its recruiting culture and step it up. The SEC got more 4 and 5 star recruits out of Big 10 states the the Big 10 did.

Herbstreit is on saying that the Big 10 is living in its past rather than respecting its past while moving into the future. The have to get more aggressive. They could suffer when a committee is choosing the CFB playoff.

[GatorLaw]

No kidding.

Guys, we were 11-2 last year... in the SEC.

Let's live now and look ahead. All the hate/love Meyer stuff should disappear until that day - if it comes - they are lucky enough to play us in a NC game.

We'll be there... not so sure about them.

:yes:

Saying something bad about UM doesn't necessarily mean hate and saying something good doesn't necessarily mean love.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Meyer said the Big 10 needs to change its recruiting culture and step it up. The SEC got more 4 and 5 star recruits out of Big 10 states the the Big 10 did.

Herbstreit is on saying that the Big 10 is living in its past rather than respecting its past while moving into the future. The have to get more aggressive. They could suffer when a committee is choosing the CFB playoff.

Of course they could suffer. They likely *will* suffer. Ironically, the Big 10 probably still has the best reputation after the SEC and Pac-12/14/16. A lot of SEC teams will get artificially inflated placements in the early goings of playoffs and we're very likely to hear every loss celebrated.

[wllmferg]

He's probably heading off to Vatican City where I hear his "dream job" recently opened up.

[gator85jd]

Turtle story is just another example of his weirdness. He truly is one weird individual. When he was our weirdo, we had to look the other way.

[ArtDeco]

Turtle story is just another example of his weirdness. He truly is one weird individual. When he was our weirdo, we had to look the other way.

Agreed. This story pretty much sums up the guy to me. Just an odd dude who can get results on a football field.
I got his autograph and a picture of him with my son prior to the 2008 championship year at the Meet the Gators event at the Odome. Guy didn't say two words to my boy, nor did he show any interest in being at the event at all. He's definitely not the Dos Equis guy.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I neither love nor hate him, nor do I care if others love or hate him.

But can we stop pretending he isn't one of the best college football coaches?

But the haters can't stop bashing because they know Meyer is superior to Spurrier. Can Spurrier boast of four (Alex Smith, Tebow, Cam Newon and Braxton Miller) first-round picks at QB? Meyer can do that. Meyer's offense has generated three first-round picks at wide receiver. It produced two All-pro tight ends. Meyer developed the greatest rookie offensive lineman of all time, in Mike Pouncey.

Spurrier didn't develop a top-5 pick like Haden. He certainly didn't win two national championships. Meyer brought home two SEC titles, produced a Heisman trophy winner, went undefeated against Tennessee. Georgia. Florida. State and Miami. Meyer won big games. By big margins. On big stages. Bowden owned Spurrier.

Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way. There is no other. The success Meyer brought to the University of Florida was incomprehendable. Amazing. He showed Florida how to win the right way. He did it with class; yet won with arrogance. His speech after the Ole Miss game has been forever erectid in Gator history.

[WESGATORS]

But the haters can't stop bashing because they know Meyer is superior to Spurrier.

Why are you bringing Spurrier into this thread?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[orangeblueorangeblue]

went undefeated against Tennessee. Georgia. Florida. State and Miami.

uh

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Why are you bringing Spurrier into this thread?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Because you can't have a thread about Meyer without comparing him to Spurrier. That's incomplete. That's like a stickup kid runnin' around without no heat.

[BigSlick]

Meyer is great until he is beaten by a far superior coach in a huge game, then he gets a tummy ache!!!

[WESGATORS]

Because you can't have a thread about Meyer without comparing him to Spurrier. That's incomplete. That's like a stickup kid runnin' around without no heat.

So you think Zook left the cupboard bare?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[NoahBeanBizzel]

So you think Zook left the cupboard bare?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Yeah. There were no first-round picks on the defensive line, except Jarvis Moss. Steve Harris, RayMac and Joe Cohen were marginal talents, sculpted and crafted with care by Meyer's staff. Chad Jackson clearly proved to be a bust. Bubba Caldwell didn't play up to his recruiting ranking, and Meyer took two average CBs (Ryan Smif and Reggie Lewis) and turned them into first-day picks.

The offensive line was okay, I'll give you that. But look at how Earl Everett and Brandon Siler have played as pros. Meyer did a malicious job of getting that unit to go above and beyond. The fact that Meyer even won ten games in 2006 is a testament to his supeerior coaching.

[Spleezy]

Yeah. There were no first-round picks on the defensive line, except Jarvis Moss. Steve Harris, RayMac and Joe Cohen were marginal talents, sculpted and crafted with care by Meyer's staff. Chad Jackson clearly proved to be a bust. Bubba Caldwell didn't play up to his recruiting ranking, and Meyer took two average CBs (Ryan Smif and Reggie Lewis) and turned them into first-day picks.

The offensive line was okay, I'll give you that. But look at how Earl Everett and Brandon Siler have played as pros. Meyer did a malicious job of getting that unit to go above and beyond. The fact that Meyer even won ten games in 2006 is a testament to his supeerior coaching.


Couple things, Meyer didn't go undefeated against our rivals. Off the top of my head I can recall losses to UGA (2007) and FSU (2010) and I'm sure Charlie Strong, who was on Zook's staff as well, had something to do with the development of defensive players...just a little. Zook wasn't a great X and O's guy but he was one hell of a recruiter. You don't win a title with a bare cupboard. Why do Spurrier, Zook and Muschamp get dragged into these Meyer love/hate fest??

[ArtDeco]

incomprehendable.

??

[ArtDeco]

It is totally unfair to compare Meyer and Spurrier, the two don't belong in the same sentence.
A better argument would be who left their university in a bigger disgrace, Blobby, Joe Pa, or Urban....

[gator85jd]

It is totally unfair to compare Meyer and Spurrier, the two don't belong in the same sentence.
A better argument would be who left their university in a bigger disgrace, Blobby, Joe Pa, or Urban....

Two were forced to leave. One got scared and snuck out under his wife's petticoat.

[tilly]

But the haters can't stop bashing because they know Meyer is superior to Spurrier. Can Spurrier boast of four (Alex Smith, Tebow, Cam Newon and Braxton Miller) first-round picks at QB? Meyer can do that. Meyer's offense has generated three first-round picks at wide receiver. It produced two All-pro tight ends. Meyer developed the greatest rookie offensive lineman of all time, in Mike Pouncey.

Spurrier didn't develop a top-5 pick like Haden. He certainly didn't win two national championships. Meyer brought home two SEC titles, produced a Heisman trophy winner, went undefeated against Tennessee. Georgia. Florida. State and Miami. Meyer won big games. By big margins. On big stages. Bowden owned Spurrier.

Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way. There is no other. The success Meyer brought to the University of Florida was incomprehendable. Amazing. He showed Florida how to win the right way. He did it with class; yet won with arrogance. His speech after the Ole Miss game has been forever erectid in Gator history.

I'm an Urban "apologist" apparently, but Steve Spurrier doesn't have to look over his shoulder for anybody when it comes to Gator legend.

As for your post...Wow. I'm speechless. Where to begin?

1. Urban did not develop Haden. Strong did. But I'll see your Haden and raise you a Kevin Carter, Gerard Warren and Fred Taylor...so whats your point?
2. When did Braxton Miller get drafted? ...and how can Urban claim Cam Newton?
3. Urban lost to FSU and UGA
4. Steve won 4 SEC Titles in a row.
5. Spurrier CRUSHED Bowden on the biggest stage of all. 52-20
6. incomprehendable is not a word.
7. Pretty sure that Timothy Tebow gave the speech after the Ole Miss game that is literally bronzed at the stadium.
8. As for wideouts, Hilliard, Anthony, Taylor went in the first round.. Caldwell, Green, Jacobs went in the second round. Hilliard and Anthony went in the 1st round of the SAME draft.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Wow. I'm speechless. Where to begin?

1. Urban did not develop Haden. Strong did. Steve developed Fred Taylor...so whats your point?
2. When did Braxton Miller get drafted? ...and how can Urban claim Cam Newton?
3. Urban lost to FSU and UGA
4. Steve won 4 SEC Titles in a row.
5. Spurrier CRUSHED Bowden on the biggest stage of all. 52-20
6. incomprehendable is not a word.
7. Pretty sure that Timothy Tebow gave the speech after the Ole Miss game that is literally bronzed at the stadium.

I'm an Urban "apologist" apparently, but Steve Spurrier doesn't have to look over his shoulder for anybody when it comes to Gator legend.

My friend, you're missing my points completely. Let me address each of yours:

1) My point? Meyer developed Percy, Tebow and Spikes. He won two national championships with the three of them.
2) A friend of mine has a friend who knows Miller's aunt. The word from Columbus is that he'll be a first-round pick. Also, Meyer recruited Cam. 'Nuff said.
3) It really depends on how you look at it. Meyer lost to FSU after he had thrown in the towel; the Georgia loss came when Tebow was injured. Neither was a legitimate loss. That's what I hold.
4) But both of Meyer's SEC titles resulted in national championships. 'Nuff said.
5) Spurrier had a losing rekord versus Bowden. Meyer never lost to him. How can you compare them?
6) That's just not true.
7) I'll let you believe that if you want, but I know what I saw wif my own two eyeballs. Meyer's speech sent that team on a tear.

I never said Steve had to look over his shoulder. I don't know where that came from. I was stating that Meyer was simply a legend. Legendary figures give legendary speeches.

[bantab]

Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way. There is no other. The success Meyer brought to the University of Florida was incomprehendable. Amazing. He showed Florida how to win the right way. He did it with class; yet won with arrogance. His speech after the Ole Miss game has been forever erectid in Gator history.

This whole paragraph is "incomprehendable."

[Speedofsand]

But the haters can't stop bashing because they know Meyer is superior to Spurrier. Can Spurrier boast of four (Alex Smith, Tebow, Cam Newon and Braxton Miller) first-round picks at QB? Meyer can do that.

I quit reading here.^
Cam barely played for Meyer, and Miller was already at tOSU when he got the dream job.

[geauxgator1]

But the haters can't stop bashing because they know Meyer is superior to Spurrier. Can Spurrier boast of four (Alex Smith, Tebow, Cam Newon and Braxton Miller) first-round picks at QB? Meyer can do that. Meyer's offense has generated three first-round picks at wide receiver. It produced two All-pro tight ends. Meyer developed the greatest rookie offensive lineman of all time, in Mike Pouncey.

Spurrier didn't develop a top-5 pick like Haden. He certainly didn't win two national championships. Meyer brought home two SEC titles, produced a Heisman trophy winner, went undefeated against Tennessee. Georgia. Florida. State and Miami. Meyer won big games. By big margins. On big stages. Bowden owned Spurrier.

Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way. There is no other. The success Meyer brought to the University of Florida was incomprehendable. Amazing. He showed Florida how to win the right way. He did it with class; yet won with arrogance. His speech after the Ole Miss game has been forever erectid in Gator history.

That "erectid" word bothers me...a little too much sexual imagery.... maybe "esophogealed" would work better in his case.

I thought Tebow gave that speach after the Ole Miss game?
:laugh:

[secgator]

I'm an Urban "apologist" apparently, but Steve Spurrier doesn't have to look over his shoulder for anybody when it comes to Gator legend.

As for your post...Wow. I'm speechless. Where to begin?

1. Urban did not develop Haden. Strong did. But I'll see your Haden and raise you a Kevin Carter, Gerard Warren and Fred Taylor...so whats your point?
2. When did Braxton Miller get drafted? ...and how can Urban claim Cam Newton?
3. Urban lost to FSU and UGA
4. Steve won 4 SEC Titles in a row.
5. Spurrier CRUSHED Bowden on the biggest stage of all. 52-20
6. incomprehendable is not a word.
7. Pretty sure that Timothy Tebow gave the speech after the Ole Miss game that is literally bronzed at the stadium.
8. As for wideouts, Hilliard, Anthony, Taylor went in the first round.. Caldwell, Green, Jacobs went in the second round. Hilliard and Anthony went in the 1st round of the SAME draft.

One of the best posts ever. What made it wonderful was right in the middle of throwing out undeniable facts....out of the blue--a correct grammar explanation was tossed in, and then you picked up right you left off with more sports facts. Couldn't have done it any better.

Excellent my friend. :yes:

[wci347]

It's a great joke. I don't think anyone took it as anything else. NEXT.

[Speedofsand]

2) A friend of mine has a friend who knows Miller's aunt. The word from Columbus is that he'll be a first-round pick. Also, Meyer recruited Cam. 'Nuff said.

3) It really depends on how you look at it. Meyer lost to FSU after he had thrown in the towel; the Georgia loss came when Tebow was injured. Neither was a legitimate loss. That's what I hold.


6) That's just not true.

7) I'll let you believe that if you want, but I know what I saw wif my own two eyeballs. Meyer's speech sent that team on a tear.



:laugh:
2) You come back with "Meyer recruited Cam" but Miller was already there, you can't have it both ways.

3) A loss is a loss. Stop being delusional.

6) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incomprehendable
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incomprehensible


7)
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0325/ncb_a_tebow1_400.jpg





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[secgator]

"Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way"

While everyone is entitled to their opinions--even when they are wrong---the above statement made in the post falls into the category of:

Complete and utter lack of credibility.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[theologator]

I am not upset with urbs other than the fact that I knew all along he would bolt to tosu the second that job opened up. Also considering his last year here he really wasn't.

That should at least have triggered a buyout. Letting him walk free of the contract period was overly generous. UF he took another college job in that time he should have owed UF whatever the contract required.

[tilly]

My friend, you're missing my points completely. Let me address each of yours:

1) My point? Meyer developed Percy, Tebow and Spikes. He won two national championships with the three of them. one national Championship was with Zooks QB
2) A friend of mine has a friend who knows Miller's aunt. Assuming this is sarcasm. The word from Columbus is that he'll be a first-round pick. Also, Meyer recruited Cam. Recruiting and developing are not the same thing. He developed Tebow and Smith. Thats it.
3) It really depends on how you look at it. Meyer lost to FSU after he had thrown in the towel; the Georgia loss came when Tebow was injured. Neither was a legitimate loss. That's what I hold. Tebow won the Heisman that year.
4) But both of Meyer's SEC titles resulted in national championships. 'Nuff said.
5) Spurrier had a losing rekord versus Bowden. Meyer never lost to him. How can you compare them? Because they were not facing the same Bobby Bowden or the same FSU. Meyer benefited from the decline of FSU.
6) That's just not true. Yes it is.
7) I'll let you believe that if you want, but I know what I saw wif my own two eyeballs. Meyer's speech sent that team on a tear. spellcheck iz yo frind.



I simply don't know what to say. So I just added my answers to the quote above ^

Im the first to have your back in defending Urban, but no way, no how, will I launch him ahead of Steven Orr.

By the way...Here is a small list of guys that Steve developed:
Steve developed:

<table class="tbl-simple tbl-center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Ben Troupe</td><td>TE</td></tr><tr><td>Keiwan Ratliff</td><td>DB</td></tr><tr><td>Max Starks</td><td>OL</td></tr><tr><td>Guss Scott</td><td>S</td></tr><tr><td>Bobby McCray</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Rex Grossman</td><td>QB</td></tr><tr><td>Taylor Jacobs</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Todd Johnson</td><td>FS</td></tr><tr><td>Ian Scott</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Aaron Walker</td><td>TE</td></tr><tr><td>Tron LaFavor</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Nattiel</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Clint Mitchell</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Lito Sheppard</td><td>CB</td></tr><tr><td>Jabar Gaffney</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Pearson</td><td>OT</td></tr><tr><td>Reche Caldwell</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Jeff Chandler</td><td>PK</td></tr><tr><td>Alex Brown</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Andra Davis</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Marquand Manuel</td><td>SS</td></tr><tr><td>Gerard Warren</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Kenyatta Walker</td><td>OT</td></tr><tr><td>Jesse Palmer</td><td>QB</td></tr><tr><td>John Capel</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Travis Taylor</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Erron Kinney</td><td>TE</td></tr><tr><td>Darrell Jackson</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Cooper Carlisle</td><td>OG</td></tr><tr><td>Eugene McCaslin</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Jevon Kearse</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Reggie McGrew</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Peterson</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Johnny Rutledge</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Zach Piller</td><td>OT</td></tr><tr><td>Tony George</td><td>DB</td></tr><tr><td>Travis McGriff</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Terry Jackson</td><td>RB</td></tr><tr><td>Fred Taylor</td><td>RB</td></tr><tr><td>Mo Collins</td><td>OT</td></tr><tr><td>Jacquez Green</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Fred Weary</td><td>DB</td></tr><tr><td>Elijah Williams</td><td>DB</td></tr><tr><td>Ike Hilliard</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Reidel Anthony</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Danny Wuerffel</td><td>QB</td></tr><tr><td>Jeff Mitchell</td><td>C</td></tr><tr><td>Mark Campbell</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Jason Odom</td><td>OT</td></tr><tr><td>Dexter Daniels</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Reggie Green</td><td>OL</td></tr><tr><td>Chris Doering</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Johnie Church</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Kevin Carter</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Ellis Johnson</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Jack Jackson</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Henry McMillian</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Errict Rhett</td><td>RB</td></tr><tr><td>Willie Jackson</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Harrison Houston</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>William Gaines</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Darren Mickell</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Lawrence Hatch</td><td>DB</td></tr><tr><td>Will White</td><td>FS</td></tr><tr><td>Tony McCoy</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Dexter McNabb</td><td>FB</td></tr><tr><td>Cal Dixon</td><td>C</td></tr><tr><td>Tony Rowell</td><td>OT</td></tr><tr><td>Tim Paulk</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Hesham Ismail</td><td>OG</td></tr><tr><td>Ephesians Bartley</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Brad Culpepper</td><td>DT</td></tr><tr><td>Michael Brandon</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Huey Richardson</td><td>DE</td></tr><tr><td>Godfrey Myles</td><td>LB</td></tr><tr><td>Ernie Mills</td><td>WR</td></tr><tr><td>Richard Fain</td><td>DB</td></tr><tr><td>Jimmy Spencer</td><td>DB</td></tr></tbody></table>

[theologator]

Meyer completely changed the culture of the program in 2005-06 that radically affected a slew if Zook players on the field and in the classroom. Steve Harris was the biggest change, but include RayMac, Joe Cohen, Dallas Baker and Brian Crum on that list for starters. Tebow, Harvin and Hernandez were also huge pieces of that 2006 team. It isn't accurate or fair to give the Zooker much credit for that championship.

The utter collapse of Meyer's program is an astounding failure. Some wondered early what his tenure would look like after 3, 4, 5 years. Implosion wasn't expected though.

[theologator]

So you think Zook left the cupboard bare?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Not bare but woefully incomplete in terms of player development. Almost to a man, those guys credit Meyer with turning their lives around on and off the field. Leak would be a notable exception. He could play, period. But that was true from day 1. You were at those early practices. Fluid, accurate, smart.

[nastyreptile]

Because you can't have a thread about Meyer without comparing him to Spurrier. That's incomplete. That's like a stickup kid runnin' around without no heat.


Well then you can't have a thread about Meyer without also bringing in Woodruff, Graves, Dickey, Pell, Hall, Darnell and Zook

[NoahBeanBizzel]

"Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way"

While everyone is entitled to their opinions--even when they are wrong---the above statement made in the post falls into the category of:

Complete and utter lack of credibility.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Right, but look at how corch Meyer won. He brought an offense to a run-first league, that nobody had ever seen, and completely took it by storm. He believed in recruiting faster players than the other team had. His offense was strategically designed to create mismatches, while getting playmakers out in space. Not even Saban and his people could handle it. Never before had the SEC seen a true passing like the one Meyer brought to Gainesville.

Picture NFL talent in the slot. At tight end. All across the line of scrimmage. It was everwhere. Meyer brought in the biggest, baddest dudes on the block. Do you realize that Harvin ran a 4.4? Who had speed like that under Spurrier? Then, he incorpotated Harvin into the running game, and he averaged 20 yards a clip. Look at the stats.

Show some respec for coach Meyer. His offense was by far the most innovative any had ever seen in the SEC. I mean, nobody had ever seen anything quite like it. At its full effect, Meyer's offense average 60 points per game. Who has done that before?

[NoahBeanBizzel]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

FOLLOW ME?

[theologator]

Meyer's way which Muschamp follows, is workaholic intensity 24/7 in everything. That can be fairly called "The Florida Way" and it is right to peg its origin to Meyer.

SOS was wildly successful too, but his way and his personal style were very different. He liked to work smart.

But "The Florida Way" isn't the same thing as Florida's winning tradition. That and the modern era for UF began with Spurrier.

It really began with Pell but got so roundly askew from probation and Hall's bad end years. Then 1990 was the launching pad.

[geauxgator1]

Right, but look at how corch Meyer won. He brought an offense to a run-first league, that nobody had ever seen, and completely took it by storm. He believed in recruiting faster players than the other team had. His offense was strategically designed to create mismatches, while getting playmakers out in space. Not even Saban and his people could handle it. Never before had the SEC seen

You are talking about SOS right?

[danky1313]

Umm Meyer was going to turn Cam Newton into a TE...That wouldve been as smart as your post on this thread and Nancy Pelosi being the featured speaker at the GOP Convention.

[bantab]

"Any sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."

[Lawdog88]

Especially so if it isn't funny.

[OaktownGator]

Right, but look at how corch Meyer won. He brought an offense to a run-first league, that nobody had ever seen, and completely took it by storm. He believed in recruiting faster players than the other team had. His offense was strategically designed to create mismatches, while getting playmakers out in space. Not even Saban and his people could handle it. Never before had the SEC seen a true passing like the one Meyer brought to Gainesville.

Picture NFL talent in the slot. At tight end. All across the line of scrimmage. It was everwhere. Meyer brought in the biggest, baddest dudes on the block. Do you realize that Harvin ran a 4.4? Who had speed like that under Spurrier? Then, he incorpotated Harvin into the running game, and he averaged 20 yards a clip. Look at the stats.

Show some respec for coach Meyer. His offense was by far the most innovative any had ever seen in the SEC. I mean, nobody had ever seen anything quite like it. At its full effect, Meyer's offense average 60 points per game. Who has done that before?
I agree we should respect Meyer's accomplishments, as well as ding him on his failures.

On the accomplishment side - two national titles. All you really need to say.

But wrt his offense, let's not overdo it here... Meyer's offense never came anywhere near averaging 60 points a game. And while it was innovative, your point on the talent level is the real reason we scored... we could have been drawing up plays in the dirt and still scored a lot with those players.

In fact, I'd argue he wildly underperformed in 2009... he had one of the most talented and experienced all around teams to every play CFB, and averaged just under 36ppg. Honestly, that had to be hard to do - we were poorly coached on offense that year and the year after. In 2008, we were much better at 43.6ppg, but still nowhere near the 60ppg you claimed.

OTOH, SOS really did take the SEC by storm with scheme. He had good players but never had anywhere near the quantity NFL talent that Meyer assembled. Yet SOS thoroughly dominated the SEC on offense with those players, and scored over 50ppg in '95 and '96. A LOT more than Meyer's offense scored with TT, Harvin, Murph, Hernandez, Rainey, Demps, Coop, Nelson, and company behind an OL filled with big time NFL talent.

Just some perspective.

[nawlinsgator]

NoahBeanBizzel has just run away with the usually tightly contested title of "Worst Post of the Year" award, and it's only February.

[Lawdog88]

I agree we should respect Meyer's accomplishments, as well as ding him on his failures.

On the accomplishment side - two national titles. All you really need to say.

But wrt his offense, let's not overdo it here... Meyer's offense never came anywhere near averaging 60 points a game. And while it was innovative, your point on the talent level is the real reason we scored... we could have been drawing up plays in the dirt and still scored a lot with those players.

In fact, I'd argue he wildly underperformed in 2009... he had one of the most talented and experienced all around teams to every play CFB, and averaged just under 36ppg. Honestly, that had to be hard to do - we were poorly coached on offense that year and the year after. In 2008, we were much better at 43.6ppg, but still nowhere near the 60ppg you claimed.

OTOH, SOS really did take the SEC by storm with scheme. He had good players but never had anywhere near the quantity NFL talent that Meyer assembled. Yet SOS thoroughly dominated the SEC on offense with those players, and scored over 50ppg in '95 and '96. A LOT more than Meyer's offense scored with TT, Harvin, Murph, Hernandez, Rainey, Demps, Coop, Nelson, and company behind an OL filled with big time NFL talent.

Just some perspective.


Excellent perspective and perfect recall of history, by the way.

Rep next time permitted.

[gator85jd]

In fact, I'd argue he wildly underperformed in 2009... he had one of the most talented and experienced all around teams to every play CFB, and averaged just under 36ppg. Honestly, that had to be hard to do - we were poorly coached on offense that year and the year after. In 2008, we were much better at 43.6ppg, but still nowhere near the 60ppg you claimed.

By 2009, the rift in the locker room was brewing. That may be a lot of the reason the 2009 team underperformed. The team was becoming divided due to Meyer's "circle of trust" and his other blatant favoritism. He had no idea how to fix that. Funny, but before UF, Meyer had never been HC at any school long enough for this kind of crap to rise to the surface.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

By 2009, the rift in the locker room was brewing. That may be a lot of the reason the 2009 team underperformed. The team was becoming divided due to Meyer's "circle of trust" and his other blatant favoritism.

It's really fascinating how a few random comments can be extrapolated into a full blown narrative.

[ArtDeco]

It's really fascinating how a few random comments can be extrapolated into a full blown narrative.

Ask Gilly about that circle.

[ajjaxgator]

Bottom Line: it IS a hilarious punchline.

[theologator]

NoahBeanBizzel has just run away with the usually tightly contested title of "Worst Post of the Year" award, and it's only February.

Whew! Safe?!

I wonder how much if this is generational. I was a student 1980-83, then again 85-87. I feel strongly about those 83-84 teams and appreciate what was built despite the probation etc.

I started buying season tickets in 1990 and ever since. The joy of that first SOS game still jacks me up. I cannot and will not let anyone deny that SOS turned the SEC on its ear. He simply found a way to get someone wide open over and over. 3rd & 15 was almost a gimme, 20-yard fade, done. And UF had barely ever done anything before. That was an incredible 12 years.

I'm a Meyer fan. I was and am thrilled with how he changed the culture of the program. I don't think it was his offense. It was toughness, dedication, and focus. 2006 was a bare knuckles year and 2007-09 was amazing. Yes he lost it horribly at the end.

But are we seeing posters for whom Spurrier is a stat sheet, a bygone legend? A UF freshman today was born in 1994-95, in first grade in 2001. Spurrier at UF is not in his living memory. Spurrier is for him what Ray Graves is for me - UF history.

Someday we'll be trying to get Tebow across to a young person and they might not get it. Imagine that.

[OaktownGator]

Whew! Safe?!

I wonder how much if this is generational. I was a student 1980-83, then again 85-87. I feel strongly about those 83-84 teams and appreciate what was built despite the probation etc.

I started buying season tickets in 1990 and ever since. The joy of that first SOS game still jacks me up. I cannot and will not let anyone deny that SOS turned the SEC on its ear. He simply found a way to get someone wide open over and over. 3rd & 15 was almost a gimme, 20-yard fade, done. And UF had barely ever done anything before. That was an incredible 12 years.

I'm a Meyer fan. I was and am thrilled with how he changed the culture of the program. I don't think it was his offense. It was toughness, dedication, and focus. 2006 was a bare knuckles year and 2007-09 was amazing. Yes he lost it horribly at the end.

But are we seeing posters for whom Spurrier is a stat sheet, a bygone legend? A UF freshman today was born in 1994-95, in first grade in 2001. Spurrier at UF is not in his living memory. Spurrier is for him what Ray Graves is for me - UF history.

Someday we'll be trying to get Tebow across to a young person and they might not get it. Imagine that.
Great perspective - with you all the way, including on those 80s teams.

[gator85jd]

Great perspective - with you all the way, including on those 80s teams.

I agree. The Great Wall was awe inspiring. There are some great memories of the teams from those years.

[ofmgator]

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[theologator]

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Even when he's awarded his spot in the Ring of Honor? (Guaranteed. 2016 at the latest.)

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I believe some very ardent, bitter Bullgators will push to have the rules modified.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

* Coaches with at least 1 National Championship whose first name starts with a consonant

[WESGATORS]

To me the Ring of Honor should be for players, not coaches.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[Lawdog88]

To me the Ring of Honor should be for players, not coaches.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS


I second that.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

To me the Ring of Honor should be for players, not coaches.

Probably a good rule but a bit late to start chipping away at the rules. It would seem weird, for example, for FSU to have a Ring of Honor that didn't include Bowden, or one at Alabama that didn't include Bear Bryant.

[GatorLaw]

My only complaint with UM is the way we got jacked around by him his last year or so - resign, leave of absence, return (sort of), then resign again, all in the space of about a year, then take another coaching job a year after leaving despite all he said about health, family, etc. But I don't know how anyone can seriously claim he isn't an outstanding coach and didn't do an outstanding job here except for that last year.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

But I don't know how anyone can seriously claim he isn't an outstanding coach and didn't do an outstanding job here except for that last year.

Anger can be blinding.

[JohnC1908]

Yeah. There were no first-round picks on the defensive line, except Jarvis Moss. Steve Harris, RayMac and Joe Cohen were marginal talents

Did I just read this? Also Derrick Harvey was a first round pick.

[gator07]

Moderators: Please don't allow any more Urban Liar threads on this site.

At this point, its probably a good idea since its impossible for people to stay on topic. After a couple of replies about the actual OP, every Liar-related thread turns into:

- Meyer is a scumbag
- Meyer won us 2 NCs
- I don't like the way he left
- But Spurrier left too, then joined a team within the SEC
- Meyer vs Spurrier accomplishments
- what was the OP about again?

/thread

they're all the same really

[socraticsilence]

Umm Meyer was going to turn Cam Newton into a TE...That wouldve been as smart as your post on this thread and Nancy Pelosi being the featured speaker at the GOP Convention.

If Cam hadn't screwed up we would have never seen all that much of John Brantley- he'd be remembered as "Johnny, that legacy who came in during blowouts and played a bit" the lovable fan favorite who never started a game but was a decent QB nonetheless.

[Wormwood56]

My friend, you're missing my points completely. Let me address each of yours:

1) My point? Meyer developed Percy, Tebow and Spikes. He won two national championships with the three of them.
2) A friend of mine has a friend who knows Miller's aunt. The word from Columbus is that he'll be a first-round pick. Also, Meyer recruited Cam. 'Nuff said.
3) It really depends on how you look at it. Meyer lost to FSU after he had thrown in the towel; the Georgia loss came when Tebow was injured. Neither was a legitimate loss. That's what I hold.
4) But both of Meyer's SEC titles resulted in national championships. 'Nuff said.
5) Spurrier had a losing rekord versus Bowden. Meyer never lost to him. How can you compare them?
6) That's just not true.
7) I'll let you believe that if you want, but I know what I saw wif my own two eyeballs. Meyer's speech sent that team on a tear.

I never said Steve had to look over his shoulder. I don't know where that came from. I was stating that Meyer was simply a legend. Legendary figures give legendary speeches.

Goodness! I'm a Meyer supporter, but I don't think I've ever see a post with such epic fail in it. It would exhaust the bandwidth to rebut the errors. Has to be a troll effort or a joke. Nothing else.

[Go2gtr]

At this point, its probably a good idea since its impossible for people to stay on topic. After a couple of replies about the actual OP, every Liar-related thread turns into:

- Meyer is a scumbag
- Meyer won us 2 NCs
- I don't like the way he left
- But Spurrier left too, then joined a team within the SEC
- Meyer vs Spurrier accomplishments
- what was the OP about again?

/thread

they're all the same really
Groundhog Day.

[gatorr4life]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/0b19fc147a4062276a13f38edde46cfa/tumblr_mesg0scc9Q1ragpqjo1_400.jpg

One of the greatest pictures of all time. Awesome.:laugh:

[GatorAvatar]

At this point, its probably a good idea since its impossible for people to stay on topic. After a couple of replies about the actual OP, every Liar-related thread turns into:

- Meyer is a scumbag
- Meyer won us 2 NCs
- I don't like the way he left
- But Spurrier left too, then joined a team within the SEC
- Meyer vs Spurrier accomplishments
- what was the OP about again?

/thread

they're all the same really

Best summary ever. Lol

[Lawdog88]

Urban Meyer ultimately jacked UF around for his own personal aggrandizement. It's accepted that that's what coaches do. We get it.

In the process, he coached two teams that won NC's. We get that too.

And . . . we're over it.

[Juggernautz]

Some folks aren't, apparently....

[Lawdog88]

I tend to agree.

My ambition in the matter would be to simply state a baseline description of our recent history that - more or less - everybody could agree on (can't we all just get along?), and help put the issue to rest, once and for all. Impossible expectations for some, yes, but maybe not all.

I am glad the past is just that, and am thankful that we have Coach Muschamp. For me, that is about it.

Go Gators !

[tilly]

I tend to agree.

My ambition in the matter would be to simply state a baseline description of our recent history that - more or less - everybody could agree on (can't we all just get along?), and help put the issue to rest, once and for all. Impossible expectations for some, yes, but maybe not all.

I am glad the past is just that, and am thankful that we have Coach Muschamp. For me, that is about it.

Go Gators !

100% agree with this entire post Law.

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[OaktownGator]

100% agree with this entire post Law.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tablet using Gator Country

Me too... would rep if the rep machine allowed.

[GatorLaw]

I've never understood why there's supposedly something "wrong" with some people liking UM, others disliking him, and still others (most?) somewhere in between. So we don't all agree. So what? There are plenty of disagreements about other things. What's so sacrosanct about UM that we're all supposed to reach some sort of common ground in our opinions?

[gatorsfan530]

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[geauxgator1]

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No, let's keep up the vitriole, it's a long off season.