Thousands March to Demand Others Pay Their Bills..

[ncbullgator]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/09/2667833/thousands-march-against-gop-policies.html

The essence of selfishness.

The editor needed a little help telling the truth.

:joecool:

[JerseyGator01]

The two pastors in the pic, beingl libs likely, I'm sure have no fear of IRS retaliation for their political activity including endorsing from the pulpit. The double standard continues ...

[Dreamliner]

They obviously missed the part where the Bible says "Thou shalt not steal."

[GatorFanCF]

One person interviewed is a 19-year old illegal immigrant who has a 3 year old son.
Ma'am: having a child at age 16 will significantly adversely affect your economic life more than what the legislature is doing. 3 rules to stay out of poverty: graduate high school, don't get pregnant until you're married, and don't marry until at least 21 years of age. Sadly, I don't think this information has ever been shared with her.

[ncbullgator]

No doubt her baby was delivered for free and the baby's continuing care is also likely paid for by those greedy white Americans.

:huh:

[Dreamliner]

Meanwhile, I'm hearing that the new Governor is slapping the mayor of Charlotte around a bit.

[wargunfan]

North Carolina has to balance its budget. There are no printing presses for fiat currency there. Some of the freeloaders are getting bounced off the gravy train and they don't like it.

[DieAGator]

No doubt her baby was delivered for free and the baby's continuing care is also likely paid for by those greedy white Americans.

:huh:

“We are asking the nation for a chance and equal opportunities just like other races have,” Aguilar said.

See how they make it about race? It just so happens that most of the race she belongs to expects something that most others aren't allowed to have, or equipped with, at no cost. Most Americans paid for what she gets one way or the other. She could have 10 babies and would call you a racist for not paying their way.

[gatorev12]

One person interviewed is a 19-year old illegal immigrant who has a 3 year old son.
Ma'am: having a child at age 16 will significantly adversely affect your economic life more than what the legislature is doing. 3 rules to stay out of poverty: graduate high school, don't get pregnant until you're married, and don't marry until at least 21 years of age. Sadly, I don't think this information has ever been shared with her.

...I swear, you couldn't have picked a better poster child to discredit this entire "protest" than that young lady--and for the exact reasons you articulated.

[GatorFanCF]

I swear, you couldn't have picked a better poster child to discredit this entire "protest" than that young lady--and for the exact reasons you articulated

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?p=6403077#post6403077#ixzz2KYZ7tUwp

Reverend - you and I know that my post is "rep worthy" but I understand you not working on Sunday. I respect your keeping of the Sabbath.

[gatorev12]

Reverend - you and I know that my post is "rep worthy" but I understand you not working on Sunday. I respect your keeping of the Sabbath.

Between you and I...apparently still needing to spread more rep around

[The_Graygator]

Don't be shocked libs... as several years from now, this behavior will be a lot more abundant.

[Dreamliner]

Meanwhile, NC, along with SC, OR and NV, is enjoying the highest inbound growth of any state.

NC is also one of just nine states that still holds a AAA credit rating.

[NJG8tor]

Im sick of this weasel word "access." "Access to housing, "access to healthcare," "access to education." In other words, you want other people to pay for it. Call it what it is: welfare.

[Lawdog88]

Excellent point.

Kind of like the sloppy use of everyday words in courtrooms by prosecutors, like "she was 'involved.'"

[PSGator66]

They should move to California where the govment will take care of them.

[Distant Gator]

I swear, you couldn't have picked a better poster child to discredit this entire "protest" than that young lady--and for the exact reasons you articulated

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?p=6403077#post6403077#ixzz2KYZ7tUwp

Reverend - you and I know that my post is "rep worthy" but I understand you not working on Sunday. I respect your keeping of the Sabbath.

I stepped in for Rev and repped you.

[gator7_5]

"If ya can't feed ya baby, then don't have a baby"

- Micheal Jackson

[GatorFanCF]

Thanks, Distant! I receive your "rep."

I was born in Mexico; but, I don't pretend to empathize with folks who come here for opportunity because I came here on a plane with both my parents being US citizens.

What I admire about most immigrants is their work ethic and "want to" attitude. I was hired by a guy at an Human Resource company; and, on my first day, he asked me this question: "Why don't blacks let their kids date Mexicans?" answer: "because they fear they will grow up to be too lazy to steal." Horrible joke, slamming two groups; but, this is what I learned: my boss was from California - which has a tremendous welfare program for immigrants. Mexicans in Florida (for the most part) are living 8 to a room, scraping by to send a few hundred dollars back to the family each month. One state, rich in benefits, has its immigrant reputation as "lazy." Another state, sparse in benefits, has its immigrant reputation as "hard working." If I was without work in Mexico and could come here illegally to feed my family you're darn right I would do it. But, we as a nation, have to control what the heck is going on or we've ceased to become sovereign.

[gatorpa]

One person interviewed is a 19-year old illegal immigrant who has a 3 year old son.
Ma'am: having a child at age 16 will significantly adversely affect your economic life more than what the legislature is doing. 3 rules to stay out of poverty: graduate high school, don't get pregnant until you're married, and don't marry until at least 21 years of age. Sadly, I don't think this information has ever been shared with her.

But it's her right to do what she wants.

[gatorpa]

One person interviewed is a 19-year old illegal immigrant who has a 3 year old son.
Ma'am: having a child at age 16 will significantly adversely affect your economic life more than what the legislature is doing. 3 rules to stay out of poverty: graduate high school, don't get pregnant until you're married, and don't marry until at least 21 years of age. Sadly, I don't think this information has ever been shared with her.

Funny she is here illegally and and all I hear is I want, I want, I want. She should be glad that she is not ilegally in another country where they would undoubtedly ship her and her child back.

[Dreamliner]

As I understand it, Mexican immigrants are hard-working, yes, but also enthusiastic proponents of tax-subsidized entitlements. This is why the GOP claim of Hispanics as-natural-ally rings hollow.

[NJG8tor]

As I understand it, Mexican immigrants are hard-working, yes, but also enthusiastic proponents of tax-subsidized entitlements. This is why the GOP claim of Hispanics as-natural-ally rings hollow.

Its total crap. Most or all ethnicities, in general, value hard work, family, and follow a religion. And yet somehow the GOP isnt winning national elections by a landslide. Something else must be going on. The problem is that the GOP isnt promising the aforesaid "access" as are the Democrats, or at least they arent doing so as forcefully or as confidently. Hispanic children are now the largest demographic of children in poverty. So the choice is work hard and sacrifice for years or, in some cases, for generations, or get "access" right now. I wonder which way they will go.

[wygator]

But it's her right to do what she wants.

Whatever happened to the part of taking responsibility for one's own actions?

[wygator]

If I was without work in Mexico and could come here illegally to feed my family you're darn right I would do it. But, we as a nation, have to control what the heck is going on or we've ceased to become sovereign.

If there is one thing that limits opportunity for illegal immigrants, it is the simple fact that they are here ILLEGALLY!!!

Their status limits their job and earnings opportunities along with access to certain benefits. I know that some states provide benefits without regard for citizenship status, but statement remains true.

[gatorpa]

Whatever happened to the part of taking responsibility for one's own actions?

It died or began to die with the experiment known as the "the great society". It has really sped up as it is now totally acceptable(and even bragged about), to get one's entire substiance from the GOV.

Consider wild animals, if you fed them they get used to being feed and do not continue to hunt/forage, they take the path of least resitance. In this regard humans show little difference.

[gatorpa]

If there is one thing that limits opportunity for illegal immigrants, it is the simple fact that they are here ILLEGALLY!!!

Their status limits their job and earnings opportunities along with access to certain benefits. I know that some states provide benefits without regard for citizenship status, but statement remains true.

Nah, it can't be anything to do with that, it must be due to race! :sick:

[gatorev12]

Pretty good article that fits in well--perhaps even deserving of its own thread--but about how "Entitlement" is warping our society. Seemed pertinent to the topic, so included it here:

http://jasonsadler.com/how-entitlement-is-warping-our-society/

One message that should be perfectly clear to everyone reading this: This world owes you NOTHING. You come into this world, just like everyone else, and you have the opportunities to do with your life whatever you want (in most cases). Do you want a high-paying job right out of college? Get ready to work your ass off for years, not see much of your friends/family, and rarely sleep. Do you want to start your own company? Get ready to work your ass off for years, not see much of your friends/family, and rarely sleep. Do you want to create the next Facebook? Go away. There are so many people complaining that they’re owed something because they’ve shown up or they’ve been around for awhile. Yeah, maybe you’ve worked for a company (or worked at something) for years, but have you REALLY worked? Have you REALLY done all that you could? Or do you spend the majority of your day browsing Facebook, waiting for emails/customers/leads/work to come to you, and staring at the clock hoping 5pm comes around quicker?

[rpmGator]

Those people should go home and starve in silence so they won't bother the good people...

[Dreamliner]

Those people should go home and starve in silence so they won't bother the good people...

If you're concerned about them actually starving, why don't you get off your ass and feed them ?

[MastaG8r]

Consider wild animals, if you fed them they get used to being feed and do not continue to hunt/forage, they take the path of least resistance. In this regard humans show little difference.That's such a fundamental truth. An inarguable point. How can Liberals possibly think that any long-term ultimate good can come of the welfare state? Their political leaders created it, ostensibly with the goal of helping people escape poverty. Instead it has kept people mired in substandard conditions and trapped in a multi-generational cycle of dependency. Their political leaders don't mind that, though. The jobless man's dependency is the Democratic politician's job security.

[gatorman_07732]

Im sick of this weasel word "access." "Access to housing, "access to healthcare," "access to education." In other words, you want other people to pay for it. Call it what it is: welfare.

Very good decoding my NJ friend

[wgbgator]

Its total crap. Most or all ethnicities, in general, value hard work, family, and follow a religion. And yet somehow the GOP isnt winning national elections by a landslide. Something else must be going on. The problem is that the GOP isnt promising the aforesaid "access" as are the Democrats, or at least they arent doing so as forcefully or as confidently. Hispanic children are now the largest demographic of children in poverty. So the choice is work hard and sacrifice for years or, in some cases, for generations, or get "access" right now. I wonder which way they will go.

Well, "access" = affordability in a market economy that naturally creates inequality and disparity of wealth no matter how hard everyone works. That means addressing costs via policy, whether it be direct/indirect subsidy, market intervention, public alternatives or regulation, things the current GOP have fundamental issues against.

[gatorman_07732]

Well, "access" = affordability in a market economy that naturally creates inequality and disparity of wealth no matter how hard everyone works. That means addressing costs via policy, whether it be direct/indirect subsidy, market intervention, public alternatives or regulation, things the current GOP have fundamental issues against.

Decoded, access means someone else is paying for it

[wgbgator]

Decoded, access means someone else is paying for it

"Someone else" is paying for everything, even the things you do like.

[gatorman_07732]

"Someone else" is paying for everything, even the things you do like.

Exactly why the federal government needs to be pruned

[wgbgator]

Exactly why the federal government needs to be pruned

So it can pay for just the stuff you do like? Hey I'd like the same thing. Too bad people will never agree completely on what they do or don't like the gov't paying for. That's why we leave it up to the electoral process.

[gatorman_07732]

So it can pay for just the stuff you do like? Hey I'd like the same thing. Too bad people will never agree completely on what they do or don't like the gov't paying for. That's why we leave it up to the electoral process.

I would like to know what you're talking about, because you are awfully vague.

[baygator1]

Well, "access" = affordability in a market economy that naturally creates inequality and disparity of wealth no matter how hard everyone works. That means addressing costs via policy, whether it be direct/indirect subsidy, market intervention, public alternatives or regulation, things the current GOP have fundamental issues against.

The market economy provides a very wide price spectrum for products and services. The world needs ditch diggers, too. But they aren't entitled to a Mercedes and a smart phone - no more than the owner of the ditch digging company is. They're each entitled to what they can afford and the market certainly caters to both.

Wealth disparity is natural, just as disparity in our individual talents, skills and desires are natural. If an individual wants something different, why is it the responsibility of legislators to force the change through policy instead of the individual taking action to change his or her own situation?

[gatorman_07732]

The market economy provides a very wide price spectrum for products and services. The world needs ditch diggers, too. But they aren't entitled to a Mercedes and a smart phone - no more than the owner of the ditch digging company is. They're each entitled to what they can afford and the market certainly caters to both.

Wealth disparity is natural, just as disparity in our individual talents, skills and desires are natural. If an individual wants something different, why is it the responsibility of legislators to force the change through policy instead of the individual taking action to change his or her own situation?

They are out for social Justice by redistribution

[wgbgator]

The market economy provides a very wide price spectrum for products and services. The world needs ditch diggers, too. But they aren't entitled to a Mercedes and a smart phone - no more than the owner of the ditch digging company is. They're each entitled to what they can afford and the market certainly caters to both.

Wealth disparity is natural, just as disparity in our individual talents, skills and desires are natural. If an individual wants something different, why is it the responsibility of legislators to force the change through policy instead of the individual taking action to change his or her own situation?

Generally people accept this, which is why you don't see people demanding "access" to luxury automobiles, private jets or iPhones. They want access to things like education, well-paying jobs, heathcare and old age pensions which allow themselves a basic level of security and opportunity for them & their children to move up the ladder and obtain some level of prosperity going forward (maybe even to the point of having an iPhone or driving a Mercedes some day).

[gatorman_07732]

Generally people accept this, which is why you don't see people demanding "access" to luxury automobiles, private jets or iPhones. They want access to things like education, well-paying jobs, heathcare and old age pensions which allow themselves a basic level of security and opportunity for them & their children to move up the ladder and obtain some level of prosperity going forward (maybe even to the point of having an iPhone or driving a Mercedes some day).

Explain access to well-paying jobs since this is something that has to be earned and not given.

[wgbgator]

Explain access to well-paying jobs since this is something that has to be earned and not given.

Just that most people want to work, but want work that doesnt keep them impoverished or dependent on public assistance to make ends meet.

[gatorman_07732]

Just that most people want to work, but want work that doesnt keep them impoverished or dependent on public assistance to make ends meet.

Every able bodied person has access to work. You start and point A and have to work yourself to point B before you can get to point C. You can give access to people to enter at point C, it's just not how it works.

[wgbgator]

Every able bodied person has access to work. You start and point A and have to work yourself to point B before you can get to point C. You can give access to people to enter at point C, it's just not how it works.

Again, just like people not demanding luxury cars, they arent demanding CEO jobs either. I mean, needing work to survive is in of itself a position of dependence.

[gatorman_07732]

Again, just like people not demanding luxury cars, they arent demanding CEO jobs either. I mean, needing work to survive is in of itself a position of dependence.

Again, the access is there. Oh yes I know, the good paying jobs that other people have worked their way into.

[wgbgator]

Again, the access is there

Well, how you are framing "access" you could say that about anything. Healthcare is available if you can get it. So is school if you can get in. But all these things are interelated. Access to education and healthcare will probably lead to better employment opportunities and longivity in the workforce, without fear of crippling debt if you have some misfortune.

[gatorman_07732]

Well, how you are framing "access" you could say that about anything. Healthcare is available if you can get it. So is school if you can get in. But all these things are interelated. Access to education and healthcare will probably lead to better employment opportunities and longivity in the workforce, without fear of crippling debt if you have some misfortune.

There are many trades out there looking for good dependable people, or is that not good enough because it's blue collar? How about the retail space where there are countless opportunities for people if they are willing to start out entry level. Hey, how about restaurants or fast food where you can work your way up. I mucked stalls for a while and wasn't to proud.

[oaklandroadie]

As far as education, what about the fact that school is free in this country, and post-secondary is damn near free with aid, grants, scholarships, and loans?

Access, huh?

[baygator1]

Generally people accept this, which is why you don't see people demanding "access" to luxury automobiles, private jets or iPhones. They want access to things like education, well-paying jobs, heathcare and old age pensions which allow themselves a basic level of security and opportunity for them & their children to move up the ladder and obtain some level of prosperity going forward (maybe even to the point of having an iPhone or driving a Mercedes some day).

People have access to all of those things today, even outside of special federal 'access' programs.

[wgbgator]

People have access to all of those things today, even outside of special federal 'access' programs.

Ok? But this does usually entail public funding, which is often first on the chopping block in many cases, unless its SS/Medicare.

[gatorman_07732]

Ok? But this does usually entail public funding, which is often first on the chopping block in many cases, unless its SS/Medicare.

Unless you're on another planet certainly you know they are on a path to being unsustainable

[wgbgator]

Unless you're on another planet certainly you know they are on a path to being unsustainable

There's nothing inherently unsustainable about those programs. The only thing that might render them such is the lack of will to fund them properly by "starving the beast."

[Dreamliner]

Ok? But this does usually entail public funding, which is often first on the chopping block in many cases, unless its SS/Medicare.

Access - GIVEMEYOURDAMNMONEYNOW!!!

[baygator1]

Ok? But this does usually entail public funding, which is often first on the chopping block in many cases, unless its SS/Medicare.

Ah, yes. You didn't build that! We certainly do fail to celebrate people who do it on their own these days. It just doesn't fit the narrative. And government has made it really difficult for people to truly do it on their own. The tentacles of government's social stimulus/investment/subsidy/welfare programs are entangled in almost everything these days. Yet poverty and unemployment, particularly among the segments of our society that many of these programs were designed to help the most, is extraordinarily high. People have children because it gets them a bigger check. People don't work because they get paid more by staying home.

Government cannot socially engineer away disparity, but it sure can socially engineer votes. Trillions of dollars spent, tens of billions in unfunded liabilities, scores of bureaucracies - and disparity will continue to exist because it exists within people. No matter what you try to give people they will make what they want to out of their lives.

[gatorman_07732]

There's nothing inherently unsustainable about those programs. The only thing that might render them such is the lack of will to fund them properly by "starving the beast."

That is completely disingenuous. Sure, if you keep taking more and more money from the people (that they will never get back), but at some point that will run out as well. Your assumption is the well never goes dry

[gatorpa]

They are out for social Justice by redistribution

You could redistribute every dime/and piece of property in this country and in 10 yrs the "wealth disparity" would be very similar to today.

Bottom line some people will exhibit drive and do well and some will just do enough to get by. (classic bell curve I bet)

[squigator]

If there is one thing that limits opportunity for illegal immigrants, it is the simple fact that they are here ILLEGALLY!!!

Their status limits their job and earnings opportunities along with access to certain benefits. I know that some states provide benefits without regard for citizenship status, but statement remains true.

Yeah, their status limits their access to certain benefits until they steal someone's SSN and ID and then file for the benefits being advertised by the Obama Admin.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/23/20080423identity-theft0423-ON.html

[malligator]

So it can pay for just the stuff you do like? Hey I'd like the same thing. Too bad people will never agree completely on what they do or don't like the gov't paying for. That's why we leave it up to the electoral process.


We do?



"Thousands march in Raleigh against GOP policies in NC legislature"

"It was an audience displeased with a government that is now firmly in Republican hands with the election of Pat McCrory as governor."

[Dreamliner]

NC is one place where the Democrats just got pounded in 2012. No chance that these people get a hearing, other than from the media.

[G8trGr8t]

Whatever happened to the part of taking responsibility for one's own actions?

Old school nonsense

[squigator]

Yeah, their status limits their access to certain benefits until they steal someone's SSN and ID and then file for the benefits being advertised by the Obama Admin.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/23/20080423identity-theft0423-ON.html

And there's more - the government isn't even trying to purge the welfare roles of illegals that are stealing from the taxpayers:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/13/dhs-only-makes-one-public-charge-deportation-in-last-fiscal-year-admits-inadequate-recordkeeping/

Under the feckless leadership of leftest dems and liberal pubs the US is becoming a third world country.

[Gatorrick22]

Im sick of this weasel word "access." "Access to housing, "access to healthcare," "access to education." In other words, you want other people to pay for it. Call it what it is: welfare.

"Access" is code for government theft of belongings/money, wealth, from people that work hard for it just so they can give it to the lazy POS freeloaders.

[ncbullgator]

There's nothing inherently unsustainable about those programs. The only thing that might render them such is the lack of will to fund them properly by "starving the beast."

This is a lie. The average working person contributes about $70000 over a 30 year career. This doesn't count the millions who don't work or have paid in very little.

The average couple receives over $800,000 in combined benefits.

And you don't believe reform is needed?

:joecool:

[G8trGr8t]

So it can pay for just the stuff you do like? Hey I'd like the same thing. Too bad people will never agree completely on what they do or don't like the gov't paying for. That's why we leave it up to the electoral process.

Thought the constitution is what was supposed to define what the fed gubmnt was supposed to do. We have strayed way too far from what was envisioned and defined by the founding fathers. I guess in your world the gubmnt should provide whatever benefits the voters think they should and the limits defined in the constitution are meaningless

[RealGatorFan]

I'm also tired of the stupid excuse for voter ID:

a proposed voter ID law that they say would disenfranchise citizens

So I guess a Driver's License will disenfranchise drivers? The reason why we need a Voter ID card is many of those that are against them have no form of identification like a driver's license. Not every adult knows how to drive so how can you prove they haven't voted 20 times already? There are been a ton of proof of democrats coming out and saying they voted so many times in the last election, they lost count. You had one very prominent democrat come out and say she voted twice - once via absentee and at the booth.

Voter ID is meant to provide a means to guarantee your vote isn't stolen. There was one guy who went to vote in Florida who was turned away because his name was already crossed out. Fake IDs are almost impossible to do these days. Nope, those that hate Voter IDs are those that cheat at every election. Plain and simple.

[Dreamliner]

Latest Carolina news is that the Carolina Panthers want to renovate their stadium to the tune of $250-million. To accomplish this, local restaurant taxes would be raised for 30 years. This would require state approval. This was met with stern demeanor, from the state, which suggested that Charlotte residents should vote on the matter.