When does PF Randle decide?

[gymgator]

When is final signing day for 2013 BBall? Is he waiting on Young to see if he goes pro?

Not positive Young is consistent enough to not take advantage of another year to develop his offensive game and FThrow percentage.

[REM08]

When is final signing day for 2013 BBall? Is he waiting on Young to see if he goes pro?

Not positive Young is consistent enough to not take advantage of another year to develop his offensive game and FThrow percentage.

Players don't have to sign and can wait till the last minute and just enroll in classes. Randle doesn't seem to be in any hurry and, unless he just really knew where he wanted to go, would be dumb not to see how the rosters of the teams he's considering shape up for next year.

Young is in a tough position. He doesn't need to return though. He can improve in the NBA just like he can in college. He's facing an weak draft class this year and a very strong one the next. It all depends on whether he's focused on draft stock, graduating, or being the best possible player he can be when he enters the draft. Do I remember hearing that he was graduating this year?

[jmac83]

I'd love to see a five-game stretch in which Pat decided to own the paint, both offensively and defensively, the entire game. Because to me, he remains tentative far below his potential (more so on offense). He'll show you glimpses, then long stretches where he seems to be content in the background.

[InstiGATOR1]

Randle was at UTx on his official visit this weekend:

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/08/julius-randle-at-texas-this-weekend-on-official-visit/

I believe he is at KU for his official next weekend. Once he is home from his last official, then the Randle watch is truly on.

Alphabetically his finalists are UF, KU, UK, NCSU, OU and UTx. Certainly several of these programs have had seasons that are some what disappointing so far.

[InstiGATOR1]

Young is in a tough position. He doesn't need to return though. He can improve in the NBA just like he can in college. He's facing an weak draft class this year and a very strong one the next. It all depends on whether he's focused on draft stock, graduating, or being the best possible player he can be when he enters the draft. Do I remember hearing that he was graduating this year?

Young is in a great position. His family's plan all along was reported to be for Young to come to UF graduate in 3 years and enter the NBA draft. It is as you suggested working out to be a bit of a down draft and next years draft MIGHT be better. So assuming Young comes through this season uninjured, I would guess once the season is over and he rationally thinks about what to do that entering the draft will get very serious consideration.

[BengermanV]

Young is in a great position. His family's plan all along was reported to be for Young to come to UF graduate in 3 years and enter the NBA draft. It is as you suggested working out to be a bit of a down draft and next years draft MIGHT be better. So assuming Young comes through this season uninjured, I would guess once the season is over and he rationally thinks about what to do that entering the draft will get very serious consideration.

If this is the case, I sure hope Pat finishes the season strong. I'd love to see him go to the NBA and be successful (he is one of my favorite all-time Gators), but he will be lucky to go early 2nd round (where most mock drafts seem to have him) when he probably has first round talent and size.

We'll see. I follow him on Twitter and have talked to him briefly on campus, and he, along with a few of the other basketball players, seem to really enjoy the college experience and get along really well. Either way, I hope he makes the decision that is right for him -- no matter which one it is.

[don23lucia]

Randle will be a last minute decision.


If pat leaves I hope the magic get him in the 2nd I haven't seen to many projections with him in the first round. I hope he does ultimately come back.

[InstiGATOR1]

Young began the season as a late 1st round pick in most mock drafts. Oddly he has had a solid season and dropped while guys like BJ Young have not dropped much in the mock drafts yet. He is 32 in the draftexpress.com mock which is a really plugged site and actually seems to influence what other sites say.

That means it would only take a handful of guys staying or mildly impressing in the pre-draft workouts to be in the first round as I think he will be. Of course a huge thing will be how tall he measures.

[madgator]

His tournament is going to determine his draft status. I expect Patric to have a HUGE surge down the stretch this season.

I also expect him to go in the middle of the first round if he decides to leave. His measurables are off the charts and his potential is large.

[gymgator]

I agree his potential is great, but he is a JR this year and is still inconsistent and doesn't dominate in results = to his size, strength, speed, etc. It will soon, stop being about potential and more being about results.

But I would rather have Pat for his SR season than Randle for a 1 and done FR season.

[REM08]

Insta - good point about what Young measures at. Wingspan will matter too, just not as much. Think there's a chance Young is 6'10 with shoes? That'd sure help him.

gym - good point also about senior Young vs freshmen Randle. I think I agree with Young as the pick because of how much other talent will be on UF's roster. I think there's a chance a freshmen Randle is better, but its the risk of an unknown when you have a roster that doesn't need that chance.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Insta - good point about what Young measures at. Wingspan will matter too, just not as much. Think there's a chance Young is 6'10 with shoes? That'd sure help him.

gym - good point also about senior Young vs freshmen Randle. I think I agree with Young as the pick because of how much other talent will be on UF's roster. I think there's a chance a freshmen Randle is better, but its the risk of an unknown when you have a roster that doesn't need that chance.

Agreed. Sr Young over Frosh Randle only because of Hill and Walker having significant minutes as freshmen and, with the very rare exception of 2011-12 UK, you need upper classmen leadership and experience.

I love Randle. I would love to land him, although as of today, we are probably not truly in the mix.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Young will be better as a pro than he is in college, he gets abused -held, pushed pulled w no calls then gets called for fouls for guys that flop when he breathes on them - he will be a better defender and a better rebounder in the NBA

[demosthenes]

Young's height will hurt him. He also doesn't seem to elevate very well.

[rserina]

Not sure what some expect to see from Young. He been far more actively and aware defensively, as he was down the stretch his freshman year, and that is the key to his success at the next level.

But he will never be very productive offensively given the group we have around him. There are just too many guys who can score. Horford went for 11 and 8 as a sophomore, Noah for 12 and 8 as a junior, Lee for 13 and 7 as a junior. Those guys have become NBA All-Stars. Young is averaging around 11 and 7 this year, while upping his blocked shots close to two and is shooting over 61% (better than Lee or Horford at any point in their careers and really only trailing Noah as a sophomore).

I think he could easily be a first rounder because he has the size, strength, and athleticism to defend most fours and some fives in the NBA. Given the move toward spacing and heavy pick and roll schemes rather than three man or motion stuff that caught on for awhile, most teams aren't looking for traditional fives, but guys who are athletic and can defend and finish pick and rolls. Young is fine in pretty solid in those areas.

[dailydoublecat]

I wouldn't worry too much about Randle!! He is loving this process and will take as much time as he can. Enjoy your team and March Madness.
Jeff

[tampajack1]

Not sure what some expect to see from Young. He been far more actively and aware defensively, as he was down the stretch his freshman year, and that is the key to his success at the next level.

But he will never be very productive offensively given the group we have around him. There are just too many guys who can score. Horford went for 11 and 8 as a sophomore, Noah for 12 and 8 as a junior, Lee for 13 and 7 as a junior. Those guys have become NBA All-Stars. Young is averaging around 11 and 7 this year, while upping his blocked shots close to two and is shooting over 61% (better than Lee or Horford at any point in their careers and really only trailing Noah as a sophomore).

I think he could easily be a first rounder because he has the size, strength, and athleticism to defend most fours and some fives in the NBA. Given the move toward spacing and heavy pick and roll schemes rather than three man or motion stuff that caught on for awhile, most teams aren't looking for traditional fives, but guys who are athletic and can defend and finish pick and rolls. Young is fine in pretty solid in those areas.
Patric gets enough touches to average 15 PPG. His problem is that he has trouble scoring even when he gets the ball right near the basket. The rest of Patric's game is solid, but he is not a good scorer.

[rserina]

Patric gets enough touches to average 15 PPG. His problem is that he has trouble scoring even when he gets the ball right near the basket. The rest of Patric's game is solid, but he is not a good scorer.
We've had two low post players average fifteen points per game during Donovan's tenure. One was Haslem, whose best scoring seasons came on teams with massive injury problems or at times few other scoring options on the perimeter, and the other was Speights, who played on possibly our worst team since Donovan's first year. This year, we not only play slower than some of those other teams and thus get fewer shot attempts up, but we also have two volume shooters on the perimeter, a point guard who can get his own points off the bounce, and a shooting four who merits his fare share of shots. For Young to get fifteen points a game, he would need to shoot about 90% from the floor--literally. He shoots over 61% now on just under seven attempts a game for a 10.8 ppg average and upping that average to 15 would equate to hitting roughly two more attempts per game, or 89% of his total shot attempts.

Regardless, my argument is that you can't measure his game by his offensive productivity, so if that is your point, then I agree.

[tegator80]

My take isn't that Patric needs stats to get selected in the first round but what do I see him do with the rock when he gets it. He has moves around the basket that, at his height, won't likely work in the NBA. He hit a baseline jumper a couple of weeks ago (USC?) late in the game. If he begins to show that he can hit that one consistently then I see him leaving after the end of this season. That is unless he is having a blast at UF and wants one more year just for the heck of it.

I think that having Scottie mature in his driving and dishing is going to help greatly in his "proven" development.

Regarding Randle, it would be nice to get him but I am not going to fret if we don't.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Patric has the physical tools to be similar to Brandon Bass. He's just not the scorer Bass was.

He will make a living at the next level with maximum effort on the boards and scoring against thinner, less physical 4s.

[jmoliver]

I guess I am just blind. I dont see Young doing anything in the NBA. He has not progressed very much at the offensive end since he was a freshman. His court awareness is really lacking.

[ApexNC]

I guess I am just blind. I dont see Young doing anything in the NBA. He has not progressed very much at the offensive end since he was a freshman. His court awareness is really lacking.

I think he's one that the 20-hour rule hurts a lot. With his physical and mental abilities, an NBA team could make him a solid player. Imagine basketball being his full-time job instead of a 20-hour a week thing. Billy said Young and Yeguette were working on free throws on their own time....but there presumably weren't coaches there to work with them on form, rhythm, etc. I'm not saying he'll be an all star...and maybe not even a starter, but he should be a solid contributor, IMO.

[Colin]

Patric could make himself a lot of money if he returned for his senior year and learned how to shoot the ball, both from short range and from the charity stripe. Right now I wouldn't draft him. He has an NBA body, for sure, but he also needs an offensive game to help an NBA team.

[rserina]

I guess I am just blind. I dont see Young doing anything in the NBA. He has not progressed very much at the offensive end since he was a freshman. His court awareness is really lacking.
That's just crazy. He had no offensive skills whatsoever as a freshman, but last year developed a nice hook going both directions. This season, he is far more consistent in other phases, like boxing out, staying connected to his man in transition, communicating and switching on defense, stopping the ball on penetration, etc.

[InstiGATOR1]

That's just crazy. He had no offensive skills whatsoever as a freshman, but last year developed a nice hook going both directions. This season, he is far more consistent in other phases, like boxing out, staying connected to his man in transition, communicating and switching on defense, stopping the ball on penetration, etc.

A year and a half ago we were all worried if Young could develop any offensive moves and reduce his fouling enough to stay in a game as a Soph. Now a guy who has shown a hook from several spots, a step through move and hit a few face up shots this year has not developed an offensive game. As you say, crazy.

[jmoliver]

OK, I am crazy but he still has a very limited game. And no he can not hit the hook going both directions. He was lost on Saturday.

[jmac83]

It's an effective hook going to the right, but I have to agree, I can't recall Pat even trying to go to the left with a hook.

[REM08]

I think he's one that the 20-hour rule hurts a lot. With his physical and mental abilities, an NBA team could make him a solid player. Imagine basketball being his full-time job instead of a 20-hour a week thing. Billy said Young and Yeguette were working on free throws on their own time....but there presumably weren't coaches there to work with them on form, rhythm, etc. I'm not saying he'll be an all star...and maybe not even a starter, but he should be a solid contributor, IMO.

This is why the notion that players have to stay in college to develop is silly. They have to attend and pass classes, eat a college athlete diet (which according to a recent article is lacking for an athlete) and practice limited hours much of the year.

I think sometimes this is an explanation for why you see players take off once they hit the NBA compared to how they played in college. There are lots of factors and every player is different. But you'd think that players, all out, stop developing once they leave college for all the people you see posting about staying being in a players best interest. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

Patric Young is going to be what he is going to be in the NBA. His fourth year in college likely isn't going to play a big role either way for him. You can make a case for some players who needed that fourth year to end up getting drafted, or for a player to be able to showcase part of their game that they haven't been able to show yet.

[MadduxFanII]

A year and a half ago we were all worried if Young could develop any offensive moves and reduce his fouling enough to stay in a game as a Soph. Now a guy who has shown a hook from several spots, a step through move and hit a few face up shots this year has not developed an offensive game. As you say, crazy.

I'm with you and rserina. No, he doesn't have the offensive game of Horford or Speights. But he's good at what he does and he's an exceptionally positive force.

I think Patric is suffering the perception issues that a lot of guys like him have to deal with. In Young's case, it can probably be blamed on his physique. Fans look at him, at someone who looks like THAT, and assume he should be dominating every single play. And when he doesn't, every failure is chalked to some kind of moral or personal failing, a lack of effort or willpower, because someone who looks like Young has no excuse for ever getting pushed off the block or missing a rebound or not going up strong with the ball.

[REM08]

I'm with you and rserina. No, he doesn't have the offensive game of Horford or Speights. But he's good at what he does and he's an exceptionally positive force.

I think Patric is suffering the perception issues that a lot of guys like him have to deal with. In Young's case, it can probably be blamed on his physique. Fans look at him, at someone who looks like THAT, and assume he should be dominating every single play. And when he doesn't, every failure is chalked to some kind of moral or personal failing, a lack of effort or willpower, because someone who looks like Young has no excuse for ever getting pushed off the block or missing a rebound or not going up strong with the ball.



I don't think thats entirely unfair. Its certainly not a moral thing, you're right there. But guys who are built like Patric should have different (but appropriate) expectations than guys who aren't. When you see a player that CAN dominate physically only do that some of the time, thats an issue. It doesn't make him a bad person or even lazy, but I think it does speak (or can speak) to a players mentality or motor. Some players just haven't learned how to give 100% for an entire game. These same questions are being asked about Alex Poythress, who has the build/athleticism to do MUCH more than he has so far. Its fair. Its a statement on someone as a basketball player, not as a person.

[don23lucia]

[/B]


I don't think thats entirely unfair. Its certainly not a moral thing, you're right there. But guys who are built like Patric should have different (but appropriate) expectations than guys who aren't. When you see a player that CAN dominate physically only do that some of the time, thats an issue. It doesn't make him a bad person or even lazy, but I think it does speak (or can speak) to a players mentality or motor. Some players just haven't learned how to give 100% for an entire game. These same questions are being asked about Alex Poythress, who has the build/athleticism to do MUCH more than he has so far. Its fair. Its a statement on someone as a basketball player, not as a person.

From what I saw from poytress late last year I was really upset we didnt land him and UK did. I thought for sure he would be the #1 pick in the draft coming up after he got comfortable and settled in at uk. He could be a monster if it all starts to click for him or maybe hes just more ready to play in the nba like maggette or marvin williams I dont know but who does

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Young or Chris Richards, who is better? Richards was a second round pick and I'm not sure he is with a team anymore. Young may have a higher ceiling but as a full time starter I would bet Chris would have better numbers, he had great hands and was a strong finisher, neither showed much ability away from right under the rim1 an interesting discussion

[MadduxFanII]

[/B]


I don't think thats entirely unfair. Its certainly not a moral thing, you're right there. But guys who are built like Patric should have different (but appropriate) expectations than guys who aren't. When you see a player that CAN dominate physically only do that some of the time, thats an issue. It doesn't make him a bad person or even lazy, but I think it does speak (or can speak) to a players mentality or motor. Some players just haven't learned how to give 100% for an entire game. These same questions are being asked about Alex Poythress, who has the build/athleticism to do MUCH more than he has so far. Its fair. Its a statement on someone as a basketball player, not as a person.

Well, I can disagree with some of this, but I don't think it's wrong. It's reasonably fair if the player in question isn't playing very well in spite of obvious physical gifts.

The problem comes when a player is undeniably having a good season and positively contributing (Young) and the refrain is still, "He could be doing so much better. Just look at him!" It becomes a situation where a player's talent or physique makes it impossible for him to ever satisfy a certain percentage of the fanbase, because they're convinced that, no matter his performance level, there's always a higher plane he could easily achieve if he trust tried a little harder.

[REM08]

From what I saw from poytress late last year I was really upset we didnt land him and UK did. I thought for sure he would be the #1 pick in the draft coming up after he got comfortable and settled in at uk. He could be a monster if it all starts to click for him or maybe hes just more ready to play in the nba like maggette or marvin williams I dont know but who does

Yeah I'm with you in thinking he was a possible #1 pick. I don't think he was overrated, I just don't think he's adjusted to the college game as quickly as others have. The intensity and effort required to play well in college is just a foreign language to him right now. I feel bad for him right now because its clear he's trying at times and just isn't yet able to control himself. He's either disappearing into the background or he's an unstoppable charging machine (not a good thing - bull in a china shop - even though mythbusters debunked that one). Occasionally he shows glimpses of greatness. I still would take a sophomore Poythress over a freshmen Randle or Gordon. Maybe you're right about the NBA thing though. We don't know but we'll see.

[tampajack1]

We've had two low post players average fifteen points per game during Donovan's tenure. One was Haslem, whose best scoring seasons came on teams with massive injury problems or at times few other scoring options on the perimeter, and the other was Speights, who played on possibly our worst team since Donovan's first year. This year, we not only play slower than some of those other teams and thus get fewer shot attempts up, but we also have two volume shooters on the perimeter, a point guard who can get his own points off the bounce, and a shooting four who merits his fare share of shots. For Young to get fifteen points a game, he would need to shoot about 90% from the floor--literally. He shoots over 61% now on just under seven attempts a game for a 10.8 ppg average and upping that average to 15 would equate to hitting roughly two more attempts per game, or 89% of his total shot attempts.

Regardless, my argument is that you can't measure his game by his offensive productivity, so if that is your point, then I agree.

I think that Patric is having a good year, but his 7 attempts per game is a little misleading. He gets balls in position to score that he passes out to teammates. Now, I like that unselfishness, but I watch Patric and think that he good throw a few head fakes and jam the ball down people's throats.

[InstiGATOR1]

Yeah I'm with you in thinking he was a possible #1 pick. I don't think he was overrated, I just don't think he's adjusted to the college game as quickly as others have. The intensity and effort required to play well in college is just a foreign language to him right now. I feel bad for him right now because its clear he's trying at times and just isn't yet able to control himself. He's either disappearing into the background or he's an unstoppable charging machine (not a good thing - bull in a china shop - even though mythbusters debunked that one). Occasionally he shows glimpses of greatness. I still would take a sophomore Poythress over a freshmen Randle or Gordon. Maybe you're right about the NBA thing though. We don't know but we'll see.

One thing some potential one and done recruits have not considered is that it might be easier to adjust to the college game if like Bradley Beal last year or Anthony Bennett this year if you are one of the few adjust rather than one of a bunch. That is someone who wants to be one and done might better accomplish that goal if surround by a SR, 3 JRs and 2 Soph rather than playing with a bunch of other inexperienced guys. Certainly some of the Frosh at UCLA and UK this year might be wondering about that.

[REM08]

One thing some potential one and done recruits have not considered is that it might be easier to adjust to the college game if like Bradley Beal last year or Anthony Bennett this year if you are one of the few adjust rather than one of a bunch. That is someone who wants to be one and done might better accomplish that goal if surround by a SR, 3 JRs and 2 Soph rather than playing with a bunch of other inexperienced guys. Certainly some of the Frosh at UCLA and UK this year might be wondering about that.

There's no question what you're suggesting could help. Cal always says that its important for a coach to be able to point to another guy in practice and say "LOOK! do it like that guy is doing it!" I'm with ya there.

I just don't think this is a requirement at all. The UK players each of the last few years were one of a bunch. Noel has no one to look upto or depend on and he's flourishing. I think its more about the mentality/maturity of the player. I think so far with Cal's classes, we usually have more Noel's than Poythresses and this year we certainly don't. Would have been a nice year to either have more Noels or some more useful vets.

[InstiGATOR1]

There's no question what you're suggesting could help. Cal always says that its important for a coach to be able to point to another guy in practice and say "LOOK! do it like that guy is doing it!" I'm with ya there.

I just don't think this is a requirement at all. The UK players each of the last few years were one of a bunch. Noel has no one to look upto or depend on and he's flourishing. I think its more about the mentality/maturity of the player. I think so far with Cal's classes, we usually have more Noel's than Poythresses and this year we certainly don't. Would have been a nice year to either have more Noels or some more useful vets.

Of course the past 3 UK teams include:

2009-10: Patterson, Harrelson, Miller, Liggins
2010-11: Harrelson, Miller, Liggins
2011-12: Miller, Jones, Lamb

This team is struggling to adjust without such players. You can counter with this team has Harrow, Mays and Wiltjer. But Harrow and Mays transfered at least once rather than adjusted and Wiltjer is not Jones or Lamb.

[REM08]

Of course the past 3 UK teams include:

2009-10: Patterson, Harrelson, Miller, Liggins
2010-11: Harrelson, Miller, Liggins
2011-12: Miller, Jones, Lamb

This team is struggling to adjust without such players. You can counter with this team has Harrow, Mays and Wiltjer. But Harrow and Mays transfered at least once rather than adjusted and Wiltjer is not Jones or Lamb.

Yeah I see your point and agree it helps. Just can't call it a requirement yet.

IMO, if this years team was made up of freshmen named Wall, Knight, MKG and Noel (could include Beal, Bennett, etc), I think the on-court product would be very impressive despite the lack of experience. I think some guys come to college much more ready to contribute and others not as ready no matter the team that surrounds them. Not disagreeing with you, just think there's a point at which experience doesn't matter as much - depending on the makeup of the freshmen.

[dnigels]

Any news on Randle?

[jmac83]

Interestingly, I noticed Pat used the left hand to put up a couple of hooks against Auburn. Unsuccessfully, but he was using the off-hand. So, I was wrong earlier in this thread, he is willing to try a couple of pace-changers inside.

[jhbyrd]

This is why the notion that players have to stay in college to develop is silly. They have to attend and pass classes, eat a college athlete diet (which according to a recent article is lacking for an athlete) and practice limited hours much of the year.

I think sometimes this is an explanation for why you see players take off once they hit the NBA compared to how they played in college. There are lots of factors and every player is different. But you'd think that players, all out, stop developing once they leave college for all the people you see posting about staying being in a players best interest. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

Patric Young is going to be what he is going to be in the NBA. His fourth year in college likely isn't going to play a big role either way for him. You can make a case for some players who needed that fourth year to end up getting drafted, or for a player to be able to showcase part of their game that they haven't been able to show yet.

You Kentucky boys just don't want Young to smack around your next crop of one and dones. Young comes back and UF is talking Billy's third national championship.

[BigCroc]

You Kentucky boys just don't want Young to smack around your next crop of one and dones. Young comes back and UF is talking Billy's third national championship.

Don't you mean 4th? :laugh:

[VTGator]

You Kentucky boys just don't want Young to smack around your next crop of one and dones. Young comes back and UF is talking Billy's third national championship.

Fourth championship. :wink:

[Osiris_DPM]

You Kentucky boys just don't want Young to smack around your next crop of one and dones. Young comes back and UF is talking Billy's third national championship.

Dismissing this season a little early, aren't we?

[ufballer86]

Don't you mean 4th? :laugh:

its funny, i ran into pat and will at the bar this summer. i told will my catch phrase for him, "thats what yugete!", he thought it was funny. asked pat if hes staying for back to back titles, he said idk.

[tommyuf21]

Pat really has progressed a lot this season. Last year, he was really inconsistent with his effort and there were quite a few games where he literally disappeared. If he wasn't having success, it seemed like the motor stopped running.

This season, he completely bought in to the coaching. The AU game was a great example. They collapsed on him, but instead of getting frustrated, he was out there setting screens and working his butt off regardless of whether he was getting any shots. I watched him a lot during the game, because I knew what the Tiggers were doing and wanted to see how he dealt with. He did a great job, imo.

[InstiGATOR1]

On page 5 of this thread on a KU board:

http://theshiver.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15980&page=5

they are discussing that Randle is saying he hopes to decide mid March.

[regurgigator]

Pat really has progressed a lot this season. Last year, he was really inconsistent with his effort and there were quite a few games where he literally disappeared. If he wasn't having success, it seemed like the motor stopped running.

This season, he completely bought in to the coaching. The AU game was a great example. They collapsed on him, but instead of getting frustrated, he was out there setting screens and working his butt off regardless of whether he was getting any shots. I watched him a lot during the game, because I knew what the Tiggers were doing and wanted to see how he dealt with. He did a great job, imo.

Agree completely. PY's motor is running full blast much more consistently this season. I thought he had an excellent game against Auburn with the defensive presence he gave us all game long.

Despite the cool demeanor, Murphy's motor keeps improving also.

I love how both guys will seldom let a shot in the paint go unchallenged if they're anywhere nearby the shooter.

[jhbyrd]

Don't you mean 4th? :laugh:

Would that be something if Billy accomplished back to back national championships twice. Just doing one back to back run is statistically extremely hard to do in today's environment.