LA Manifesto.....

[outbackjack]

Suffice it to say, this is the most intriquing, scary, ominous, interesting thing I've ever read.

I am truly speechless.

Per his manifesto......

Christopher Dorner, a seemingly intelligent, honest, hard working American, has tried to handle things the right way. Reporting injustices he sees within the LAPD, his former employer. After (according to him), continuously being lied to, having his name ruined for seemingly doing the right thing.....he's had enough.

He's fighting back, NAMING NAMES, and you'd better hope you didn't wrong him along the way.

Because he didn't forget.

The specifics are so detailed and referenced, one has to believe he's telling the truth.
In fact, he gives proof how it could easily be tracked. Now we have a backed into the corner pissed off guy, seeking revenge. Oh, and he has the weapons, has the training, has the computer skills, to accomplish his task.

Absolutely horrifying. I don't know how to feel. On one hand, I'm glad someone went face on and named names, stomping out wrong behavior.

On the other hand, he will be beginning a killing spree.

He tried to handle it the right way, kept being ignored, lied to, pushed back...and he finally decided to make sure they heard him.

He's made his first "name" killing"...Sylvia Quan, daughter of one of the LAPD big wigs. And there are LOTS of other names he's posted and he's coming after.

His entire manifesto is attached.....

http://boywithgrenade.org/2013/02/07/christopher-dorners-manifesto/

[gatorev12]

Sad that a guy (who's very likely telling the truth about all this) is pushed to this point.

I don't agree that killing is the right way to handle this--but it's hard to argue against his first-hand (and very plausible) accounts of widespread corruption in the police force.

[outbackjack]

And if you read to the bottom, people he respects...Tim Tebow.

[outbackjack]

I agree that killing isn't the way either.....but he tried the right way (legal, through proper channels, courts). Again and again, he was shunned by the corruption. His name tarnished, his job gone, what is the best way to handle when the right way is wrong?

[Ceal8ter]

And if you read to the bottom, people he respects...Tim Tebow.

...and Charlie Sheen.

Interesting read. The beginning of his manifesto is a very rationale, detailed, and thorough examination of his reason. However, half way through he seems to become scattered and unfocused. He mentions his depression and I think that's a very poignant observation in all of this. Sadly he will take the lives of innocent people in order to "clear his name". While I'm certainly all for exposing corruption and uncovering truth, I can't accept the medieval "eye for an eye" mentality he has adopted. Especially considering he has no qualms targeting friends and family of those he feels wronged him. I fear this will not happen, but I hope he realizes that his point has been made and turns himself in without any further loss of life.

[Minister_of_Information]

What a sick bastard.

[Itssaul]

Woah, buddy.

Should be interesting to see this thing in the end.

[Matthanuf06]

The militarized police that shot up blue trucks because they were scared should be tossed in jail.

[wgbgator]

What a sick bastard.

Indeed, anyone that lists one of their regrets as not being around to see The Hangover III has some serious problems.

[CHFG8R]

A couple questions:

1. Has he killed anyone yet? If not, then there is hope that something positive will come from this. Like, say, giving the LAPD a complete enema (Rodney King, Rampart and the embarrassment of the OJ aquital apparently weren't enough).

2. What is the deal with the LAPD? Shooting up cars, shooting women without actually verifying whether it is the suspect in question or not? WTF?

[outbackjack]

He's killed 3.

[exiledgator]

Jeremy spoke in class today.

[exiledgator]

Reason #9,278 not to live in LA.

Dream, it's not too late...

[gatormoe1]

Cops going around shooting at blue trucks now....

They just shot up two Newspaper delivery women thinking its Dorner.... REALLY!?

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_shoot_motorists_mistaken_for_dorner.php

[gatorman_07732]

This guy is a raving lunatic

[wgbgator]

Or maybe he's so sane, the rest of us are raving lunatics in comparison.

[exiledgator]

Cops going around shooting at blue trucks now....

They just shot up two Newspaper delivery women thinking its Dorner.... REALLY!?

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_shoot_motorists_mistaken_for_dorner.php

from article:

"Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," according to City News Service. Beck added that the vehicle was being driven "in the area of one of our primary protection details, one of the people that was under the most serious level of threat." He continued, "The LAPD officers assigned observed a vehicle matching the suspect's vehicle driving down the street with the lights turned out." And they opened fire on the vehicle.

The description of Dorner's vehicle has been changed since earlier reports and is now described as a gray 2005 Nissan Titan pickup,

"Bob, look, a blue pick-up!" Rat-a-tat-tat Bang Bang!!!

WTF?!?!?!?!

It's almost like they want this guy quiet. And quick.

[gatorman_07732]

from article:



"Bob, look, a blue pick-up!" Rat-a-tat-tat Bang Bang!!!

WTF?!?!?!?!

It's almost like they want this guy quiet. And quick.

Sounds more like a gang banger hit job

[Matthanuf06]

Given the cops actions it seems reasonable to think this guy got screwed by being a whistleblower on misconduct against the handicapped. The lapd is seriously corrupt and inept.

Of course that doesn't justify a murder spree.

[Minister_of_Information]

This guy and the LAPD both take the cake. This is nuts.

[reformedgator]

He has become exactly like those he despises.

[Itssaul]

Does Cali have the death penalty?

[brainstorm]

Crazy stuff.

If cops in the LAPD are firing at vehicles "guessing" that Dorner is inside - they need to go to prison.

[Itssaul]

Crazy stuff.

If cops in the LAPD are firing at vehicles "guessing" that Dorner is inside - they need to go to prison.

But they won't. They'll get 'suspended' and transferred to work an elementary school or something -.- maybe this guy is right?

[gatorman_07732]

But they won't. They'll get 'suspended' and transferred to work an elementary school or something -.- maybe this guy is right?

Or maybe he is just one of them. Seriously who goes around killing people?

[Itssaul]

Or maybe he is just one of them. Seriously who goes around killing people?

Idk if U are talking about 'the' guy or the cops that almost killed those two women.

So I guess the answer is cops.

[gatorman_07732]

Idk if U are talking about 'the' guy or the cops that almost killed those two women.

So I guess the answer is cops.

Wrong guess, they are all one big group of whack jobs. I'm not sure how you can give any credence to what that guy said. I just like the fact he got singled out and was obviously not fit to be in law enforcement, much like his peers that he is currently hunting down.

[Dreamliner]

I agree that killing isn't the way either.....but he tried the right way (legal, through proper channels, courts). Again and again, he was shunned by the corruption. His name tarnished, his job gone, what is the best way to handle when the right way is wrong?

... kill people! Because you can't just switch jobs. Sure, telemarketing jobs are always available, but who wants to do that ?

[Itssaul]

Wrong guess, they are all one big group of whack jobs. I'm not sure how you can give any credence to what that guy said. I just like the fact he got singled out and was obviously no fit to be in law enforcement, much like his peers that he is currently hunting down.

Truuf.

[Dreamliner]

Taking bets now: never mind bullets, how many MAGAZINES does LAPD pump into this guy's inert body when they find him ?

[MastaG8r]

This guy is a raving lunaticWell...even a raving lunatic blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. From the manifesto (http://boywithgrenade.org/2013/02/07/christopher-dorners-manifesto/):

Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be “Tebowing” when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez.

If they catch him alive and he tries to plead insanity, the prosecutor will be able to use this paragraph to demonstrate that he shouldn't qualify for that defense.

[exiledgator]

Taking bets now: never mind bullets, how many MAGAZINES does LAPD pump into this guy's inert body when they find him ?

They're gonna have to do something about all these friends saying what a great guy he is was, too.

[Itssaul]

Taking bets now: never mind bullets, how many MAGAZINES does LAPD pump into this guy's inert body when they find him ?

4 per officer on site within the first 20 hours of contact.

[gatorman_07732]

Taking bets now: never mind bullets, how many MAGAZINES does LAPD pump into this guy's inert body when they find him ?

Does the word swiss cheese mean anything

[wargunfan]

Mr. Dorner's heroes are all from the left wing liberal media. He thinks Piers Morgan should be given a permanent visa. Since the left called for reprisals against conservative media after several high profile shootings nearly a dozen times, including the 2009 massacre of three Pittsburgh police officers (which lib journos falsely blamed on Fox News, Glenn Beck and the "heated, apocalyptic rhetoric of the anti-Obama forces"); the 2009 suicide insurance scam/murder hoax of Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman (which New York magazine falsely blamed on Rush Limbaugh, "conservative media personalities, websites and even members of Congress"); the 2009 Holocaust museum shooting (which MSNBC commentator Joan Walsh blamed on Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Michelle Malkin); the 2010 Times Square jihad bomb plot (which Mayor Michael Bloomberg falsely blamed on tea party activists protesting Obamacare); and the 2011 Tucson massacre, which liberals continue to blame on former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, can we now expect a mea culpa from left wing media as the inspiration for this lunatic??? I'm not holding my breath.

[Lawdog88]

Some people just need killing. Some people volunteer to be put on the list.

The LAPD has the list, and will oblige.

[96Gatorcise]

Taking bets now: never mind bullets, how many MAGAZINES does LAPD pump into this guy's inert body when they find him ?

Seems they will shoot at anybody because they are scared shitless...

http://my.firedoglake.com/hotflashcarol/2013/02/07/three-innocent-people-shot-at-by-cops-so-far-in-lapd-manhunt-suspect-still-at-large/

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/575368_333375773432919_2086979429_n.jpg

While it’s quite clear that the police have legitimate reason to be worried for their own safety, they have already shown themselves to be reckless cowards. Two Asian Latino women delivering newspapers were shot by Torrance undercover Los Angeles police this morning simply because they were in a Nissan truck similar to that Dorner may have been driving. Please check out this photo of that truck and keep in mind that Dorner is a 6’4″ black male. There’s no way the cops could have made any sort of visual identification of the people in this truck and mistaken either of them for Dorner. And wouldn’t a second person in the truck, who might have been a hostage, preclude them from using deadly force? Shouldn’t the fact that the license plate was not Dorner’s have kept them from emptying their guns into the back window of this truck? Or maybe the fact that the truck was the wrong color and model? Somehow, the two women escaped death; one was shot in the back twice and is expected to recover and the other was shot in the hand was injured by broken glass. A second shooting, which involved Torrance police firing at a vehicle which also turned out not to be Dorner’s, miraculously did not cause any injuries.

[Minister_of_Information]

Well, at least they'll get millions.

[exiledgator]

Seems they will shoot at anybody because they are scared shitless...

http://my.firedoglake.com/hotflashcarol/2013/02/07/three-innocent-people-shot-at-by-cops-so-far-in-lapd-manhunt-suspect-still-at-large/

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/575368_333375773432919_2086979429_n.jpg

The Nissan Ridgeline sure is a nice truck. :huh::lie::huh:

[Dreamliner]

The media has exhibited admirable restraint, with regards to Dorner ... on learning that he was not affiliated with the Tea Party.

[wargunfan]

The media has exhibited admirable restraint, with regards to Dorner ... on learning that he was not affiliated with the Tea Party.

If he had extolled the Tea Party and conservative media personalities the LMSM would be having a cow.

[Gatormb]

The Nissan Ridgeline sure is a nice truck. :huh::lie::huh:

You caught it too. Was just going to post never trust a cop who can't tell the difference between a Honda and a Nissan (and they aren't even close).

[brainstorm]

The Ridgeline is the Honda El Camino.

[whitelakegator]

I in no way condone this man's behavior. But they took everything away from him. He has nothing left to lose. Whatever happens to him, LAPD is on notice.

[outbackjack]

EVERYONE has been looking for this guy for over a week, and they've got nothing.

I suspect he escaped the mountain they think he's on.

Still got to be tough to get food, drive, do anything in public as his face is everywhere.

[Dreamliner]

I just got back from LA. LAPD probably got stuck in traffic.

[gatorman_07732]

I just got back from LA. LAPD probably got stuck in traffic.

I hope you were wearing a bullet proof helmet and flak jacket

[Dreamliner]

I hope you were wearing a bullet proof helmet and flak jacket

I suspect that I was saved because I Tebowed everywhere I went.

Truthfully, crime is lower in LA than in Orlando. But the roads in LA are REALLY bad. And the signage is ABYSMAL. LA cops probably have to use GPS to find a donut shop which, by the way, are everywhere in LA.

[gatorman_07732]

I suspect that I was saved because I Tebowed everywhere I went.
Truthfully, crime is lower in LA than in Orlando. But the roads in LA are REALLY bad. And the signage is ABYSMAL. LA cops probably have to use GPS to find a donut shop which, by the way, are everywhere in LA.

That would put you in more danger, they don't think very highly of those religious types.

[Dreamliner]

That would put you in more danger, they don't think very highly of those religious types.

I think the anti-religious types are just a highly-vocal minority out there. There were churches on every corner. All the televangelists have headquarters out there. And increasingly, LA is saturated with Koreans, who are hardcore Christians.

[SurfinG8or]

If they would just take away Semi-Automatic Assault weapons none of this would be happening!!

[JohnC1908]

And increasingly, LA is saturated with Koreans, who are hardcore Christians.
Speaking of, had some Koreans knock on my door the other evening trying to sell me on the Korean equivalent of Mormonism. Something they referred to as "The Mother." I found it a bit bizarre.

[ncgatr1]

It seems this guy is much smarter than they expected and he has the training and planning to back it up. This could be a very serious situation for LAPD members, especially if he is as patient as his rankings indicate.

[gatorman_07732]

I don't see this guy being taken alive. They would have to catch him so off guard which is not likely.

[Itssaul]

I don't see this guy being taken alive. They would have to catch him so off guard which is not likely.

Yup, even if they did they'd still shoot regardless. Even if found injured and disabled

[Itssaul]

It seems this guy is much smarter than they expected and he has the training and planning to back it up. This could be a very serious situation for LAPD members, especially if he is as patient as his rankings indicate.

Appears so.

[outbackjack]

Actually everything I've read seems to think he's exactly as smart as they expected, which is very smart.

You don't spend that many years succeeding in the military, moving up in ranks, without learning a thing or two about hunting/hiding/etc.

[JerseyGator01]

The mainstream media loves to make people angry with their soundbytes based on lies and half-truths 24/7. This guy's mind is the equivalent of someone's body eating McDonalds food for months on end. He's so media brainwashed and filled with hate that it's truly pathetic. It's as if he's spent most of his time outside of work watching CNN and MSNBC.

[Gatormb]

I just got back from LA. LAPD probably got stuck in traffic.

You're a fitness guru for Pete's sake. Act like one. Walk. Ride your bike! Dreamliner is now the "DreamMaker".

"Don't just dream about it! Dream fitness makes your Dream come true!"

:yes::joecool:

[Dreamliner]

You're a fitness guru for Pete's sake. Act like one. Walk. Ride your bike! Dreamliner is now the "DreamMaker".

"Don't just dream about it! Dream fitness makes your Dream come true!"

:yes::joecool:

Alright, alright! :laugh:

[PSGator66]

Jesse Jackson feels his pain..................

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/09/Jesse-Jackson-To-Fugitive-Murderer-I-Feel-Your-Pain

[CHFG8R]

Yup, even if they did they'd still shoot regardless. Even if found injured and disabled

Yep, because there's more here than just a crazy guy mad about getting fired. Sadly, everyone is spinning it their own (for political gain) way. Right wing radio is focusing entirely on the couple of paragraphs (out of 1000s of words) that laud MSNBC and the liberal media. . . blah, blah, blah. Dems will certainly try to exploint the gun angle.

Yet nobody is addressing the very detailed claims of LAPD misconduct and the fact they'd rather ruin a guys' career than deal with the skeletons in their own closet. The sad irony of this is that his actions (killing 3 already) will allow the LAPD to vilify anyone who follows up on his suggestions for investigation and sweep it all under the rug. Oh, they are conducting an internal investigation, which will have about as much credibility as a NAMBLA investigation of Jerry Sandusky.

[Dreamliner]

Yep, because there's more here than just a crazy guy mad about getting fired. Sadly, everyone is spinning it their own (for political gain) way. Right wing radio is focusing entirely on the couple of paragraphs (out of 1000s of words) that laud MSNBC and the liberal media. . . blah, blah, blah. Dems will certainly try to exploint the gun angle.

Yet nobody is addressing the very detailed claims of LAPD misconduct and the fact they'd rather ruin a guys' career than deal with the skeletons in their own closet. The sad irony of this is that his actions (killing 3 already) will allow the LAPD to vilify anyone who follows up on his suggestions for investigation and sweep it all under the rug. Oh, they are conducting an internal investigation, which will have about as much credibility as a NAMBLA investigation of Jerry Sandusky.

It certainly is an ironic situation and, I agree, probably a situation in which the hardcore corruption of the LAPD will be given a pass. By and large, the public STILL considers cops the good guys.

[CHFG8R]

It certainly is an ironic situation and, I agree, probably a situation in which the hardcore corruption of the LAPD will be given a pass. By and large, the public STILL considers cops the good guys.

The ones I know around here are pretty decent guys (Pinellas County), but the LAPD is just a freakin' sewer and has been now for decades. To think of all the crap in the 80s and 90s and they are still acting this way. Two words: Unmitigated Arrogance.

That department needs to be enema-ized from the top down.


FWIW, I still put the OJ aquittal squarely at the feet of LAPD. The Adam 12 days, it seems, are long gone out there.

[cocodrilo]

LAPD Chief Beck looks just like Xavier Cugat. I wonder if his wife looks like Abbe Lane.

[MichiGator2002]

On a semirelated note, "End of Watch" was a pretty good flick.

[Lawdog88]

Jahoo News reports:

Are police using drones in the manhunt for Christopher Dorner?
According to a report by a British newspaper (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman), they are. On Sunday, the Express quoted a "senior police source" who said the "thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him—on the ground, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack."



Guy is either room temperature or hiding in a cave. Or somewhere else.

[Dreamliner]

This is a job for the Navy Seals! They can write another book!

[JerseyGator01]

90% of his manifesto outside of police stuff are DNC/media talking points. He suffers from mental issues and an overdose of media-fed hate.

[JohnC1908]

This is like the Eric Rudolph manhunt all over again. It seems anyone with survivalist training has no problem alluding hundreds of police officers and FBI agents.

[LabraGator]

... By and large, the public STILL considers cops the good guys.

Are you talking in generalities, or this specific situation? I'm curious as to what general sentiment is regarding both.

[gator996]

Mr. Dorner's heroes are all from the left wing liberal media. He thinks Piers Morgan should be given a permanent visa. Since the left called for reprisals against conservative media after several high profile shootings nearly a dozen times, including the 2009 massacre of three Pittsburgh police officers (which lib journos falsely blamed on Fox News, Glenn Beck and the "heated, apocalyptic rhetoric of the anti-Obama forces"); the 2009 suicide insurance scam/murder hoax of Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman (which New York magazine falsely blamed on Rush Limbaugh, "conservative media personalities, websites and even members of Congress"); the 2009 Holocaust museum shooting (which MSNBC commentator Joan Walsh blamed on Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Michelle Malkin); the 2010 Times Square jihad bomb plot (which Mayor Michael Bloomberg falsely blamed on tea party activists protesting Obamacare); and the 2011 Tucson massacre, which liberals continue to blame on former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, can we now expect a mea culpa from left wing media as the inspiration for this lunatic??? I'm not holding my breath.


Tim Tebow is a left wing liberal?

[MichiGator2002]

Tim Tebow is a left wing liberal?

Is not this very forum full of unambivalent leftists who still like Tim? It isn't hard to either just ignore how different one's own ideas are from Tebow's or just imagine his ideas are different. Dorner is a leftist, it is what it is.

[gator996]

Is not this very forum full of unambivalent leftists who still like Tim? It isn't hard to either just ignore how different one's own ideas are from Tebow's or just imagine his ideas are different. Dorner is a leftist, it is what it is.


The statement made was that his "heroes" are all leftists....

Is Tebow a leftist?


The Alabama hostage taker, the Holocaust Memorial shooter, the Oklahoma City bomber, the Unibomber, etc. were all "ultra conservative" rightists...


The initial political rant from wargun is incorrect and kinda revealing....


If as wargun suggests that the "leftist" media is somehow responsible for this guy then the "conservative" media must be responsible for creating the killers mentioned above...


Do you agree with such simple conclusions?
:whoa:

[MichiGator2002]

No, I don't think the media creates any of these people. They can create the mythology of them after the fact, perhaps. But get them started? No.

If there is a media angle to this, it is the fact that you would have no idea that the guy is a hardcore leftist without actually reading his screed, certainly not if you are depending on network news or major papers for the story. Sort of like how the attempted mass shooting at the FRC was sort of swept under the coverage rug.

[JohnC1908]

People are just crazy. There have been nuts since the beginning of time and there will be at the end. The politics and religion are just an excuse for them to somehow justify their terror.

[gatorman_07732]

People are just crazy. There have been nuts since the beginning of time and there will be at the end. The politics and religion are just an excuse for them to somehow justify their terror.

True enough

[Dreamliner]

Are you talking in generalities, or this specific situation? I'm curious as to what general sentiment is regarding both.

Generalities, witness the cop shows. Everybody wants the cops to get the bad guy in the end. Everybody says "I appreciate the work you guys do", etc.

[wgbgator]

I think cop shows are more guilty of portraying hyper-competency of cops than sentiment that cops are always "good." That's why they always catch the bad guy, its because they are really extremely competent at their job, but usually willing to break the rules or defy convention to do so (i.e. be "bad"). In reality, cops are both flawed/incompetent (i.e. human) actors and often willing to break the rules too.

[gator996]

No, I don't think the media creates any of these people. They can create the mythology of them after the fact, perhaps. But get them started? No.

If there is a media angle to this, it is the fact that you would have no idea that the guy is a hardcore leftist without actually reading his screed, certainly not if you are depending on network news or major papers for the story. Sort of like how the attempted mass shooting at the FRC was sort of swept under the coverage rug.


And the same could be said about the hardcore conservative killers also.


I don't think the media is completely off-the-hook here...


The internet has helped to weed out moderate coverage & analysis because it just doesn't pay the bills.

If you live in a 100% left/right bubble world...which is now possible with the internet & 24 hr cable "news"...then you can cultivate some of the crazies we have in this country.


I don't know if the media creates them...but they can help foster them and agitate them.

[gatorman_07732]

I heard this morning this search is know international. They think he could be in Mexico.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/LA-US-Marshal-Suspected-Dorner-Fled-to-Mexico-190790531.html

[Dreamliner]

Is Dorner another psych-med killer ?

[HALLGATOR]

Is Dorner another psych-med killer ?

Good question. I witnessed an almost fight yesterday between two people who are normally friendly with each other. I know at least one of them is on anti-depressants and he just went off badly. After it was over several of us were talking about the possibility these meds could be causing folks to become more unstable.

[Dreamliner]

Good question. I witnessed an almost fight yesterday between two people who are normally friendly with each other. I know at least one of them is on anti-depressants and he just went off badly. After it was over several of us were talking about the possibility these meds could be causing folks to become more unstable.

Ironic that they're classified as "mood-stabilizers."

[LabraGator]

Good question. I witnessed an almost fight yesterday between two people who are normally friendly with each other. I know at least one of them is on anti-depressants and he just went off badly. After it was over several of us were talking about the possibility these meds could be causing folks to become more unstable.

This post would feel just as comfortable in the weed thread.

[gatorman_07732]

Ironic that they're classified as "mood-stabilizers."

Coming off of them or changing prescriptions can often be a time bomb

[gatorman_07732]

There is a shoot out going on at Bear Mountain. They have him located in a cabin that they have surrounded. Two cops purportedly shot already, this is not going to end well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/chris-dorner-manhunt_n_2672238.html

[MastaG8r]

Yep the end game has begun (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/)...

[wargunfan]

Looks like he may have shot himself. The cabin is burning and he is in it. I'm betting CS gas canisters started the fire. He will have to be identified by his dental records. Very sad for all concerned.

[Lawdog88]

He may have been wounded in the earlier shootout.

I would not trust the coroner's report, nor the official police report of what happened either.

It looks more like a planned, tactical assassination by fire, than anything else, because any further risk of life was not worth it. That will be denied, of course.

[Dreamliner]

And from the perspective of the LAPD, a trial wasn't worth it.

[Lawdog88]

I don't disagree with that. Risky in a way, but the sympathies are with the LAPD and San Bernardino SO on this one.

[DieAGator]

He may have been wounded in the earlier shootout.

I would not trust the coroner's report, nor the official police report of what happened either.

It looks more like a planned, tactical assassination by fire, than anything else, because any further risk of life was not worth it. That will be denied, of course.

Have to agree. To them he was a cop-killer/traitor already. They set the place on fire. I take it the "good cops" knew no hostages held inside so they essentially assassinated him. So it goes I guess.

Heard also report of a gunshot fired during the fire. Would not be surprised if he was already wounded and shot himself when he knew the fire would do him in.

[Dreamliner]

Did anyone catch the philandering LA mayor's God-talk ? It was "God" and "prayers" every other word.

[gatorman_07732]

All I want to know is where was Janet Reno at

[DieAGator]

They better hope it's Dorner who died in the blase. The audio evidence is pretty damning.

[Lawdog88]

They better hope it's Dorner who died in the blase. The audio evidence is pretty damning.


Die, whatcha talking about ? Haven't heard anything about audio evidence.

[channingcrowderhungry]

Did anyone catch the philandering LA mayor's God-talk ? It was "God" and "prayers" every other word.

Tony Vilar (his real name before he changed it to appeal to Latin voters) failed the bar 4 times and is one of the biggest morons in politics.

[oaklandroadie]

Tony Vilar (his real name before he changed it to appeal to Latin voters) failed the bar 4 times and is one of the biggest morons in politics.

Fellow Carolla fan? Don't leave out his penchant for Telemundo hostesses.

[Dreamliner]

Sounds like Angelenos love Tony V. though.

[channingcrowderhungry]

Fellow Carolla fan? Don't leave out his penchant for Telemundo hostesses.

No choice but to get it on, mandate get it on!

[gatorman_07732]

Tony Vilar (his real name before he changed it to appeal to Latin voters) failed the bar 4 times and is one of the biggest morons in politics.

I guess he had a complex for not feeling Latin enough

[DieAGator]

Die, whatcha talking about ? Haven't heard anything about audio evidence.

From your thread, "Was C Dorner executed?"


But for those of us listening to the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department radio frequency, there was little question what had occurred. Nearly a half hour prior, officers had referred to “going ahead with the plan with the burner,” with another adding that the plan was to “back the Bear down and deploy the burner through the turret.” It seems pretty clear he was executed, it was planned, it's a matter of record now.